Pudding
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I have no idea what you're talking about.
Do you mean to ask me: Is @Power Stone no more certain than i am certain about "whether heaven exists or not"?
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What is heaven in your understanding?
- Thread starter Spirit of Light
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Do you mean to ask me: Is @Power Stone no more certain than i am certain about "whether heaven exists or not"?
In most traditions, I'd say that Heaven is either:
- the quasi-physical place where God or gods live, or
- a coping mechanism. It's a creation to help people deal with fear of their own death or grief at the loss of loved ones through denial that death is even a real thing.
... or both.
izzy88
Active Member
If you believe heaven can or should include "bad", you aren't talking about the same thing everyone else is when they use the term. The whole point of heaven is the total lack of "bad".
The analogy is that heaven is like you would like to build a large mansion then invite all your friends and relatives to live in. You thus set up rules for the tenants to follow, say they can't yell after midnight or train up your kids to be criminals and prostitutes. You keep those failed to abide by your rules from outside of your mansion.
Similarly God is to build a Heaven to invite both the angels and humans to live in. He thus sets up laws for them to follow, or they will be kept outside.
Heaven thus is a place where angels and humans are living with a sin incompatible God. No more information can be available, as Jesus put if humans don't even believe in earthly things then why bother telling them the heavenly things.
izzy88
Active Member
That sounds more like hell, to me
That sounds more like hell, to me
If you own it, you can kick whoever till it's not a hell. If you live alone then it is certainly a hell.
izzy88
Active Member
As an introvert, I disagree.
So your paradise to live in a place absent of humans? A lot of prisons are so designed for criminals to live alone without encountering any humans.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Do we own anything in life? When we die we can not take it with us, so technically we only borrow our physical belongings in this lifetime.
That's irrelevant to the point made. If you own a house, you can kick a tenant out if he doesn't follow your rules or laws so set up by a society. That's the point.
Whether you still own the house after death is irrelevant to the point made.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Yes we all have to follow law set by man on earth or, God if we speak of heavenly realm but to gain access to heavenly realm as humans we must also reach the standard of moral they request in heaven. In my understanding anyway
You seem to miss the point. If God built a heaven, He sets the laws. Humans are not in any position to set up any laws in heaven.
Even on earth, you are born to subject to laws not set up by you but by those "owning" the country. Today's world is better in that we have democracy such that we can be part of the owner.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
I know, but to gain access we must Cultivate our mind and body, to reach the level needed to actually realize the law of heaven (enlightenment) all of the human attachments to this physical world has to be let go of before the realm of heaven opens up to our spirit.
In my understanding anyway.
izzy88
Active Member
You seem to be taking this all too seriously; I'm just being facetious.
Bear Wild
Well-Known Member
Why do you need a heaven when you can achieve enlightenment in our would? There is a danger in believing in a heaven in that you cultivate a disrespect for the world we live in. Why work to save our world - the world of our children and future children if there is a better world out their. Everything we know about peace, love, kindness and respect comes from and exists in this world this universe.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
The way i understand it is.
Human realm is like a school where we are supposed to realize who we truly are, and to say it bluntly, without disrespect to human beings, we are fallen beings who are on earth to repay our wrongdoing from the past (karma)
Heaven is the true place we should be, where there is no suffering at all. This is why all spiritual people seek answer to what we need to do to realize heavenly realm again. And religions and Cultivation paths is the way to gain the answers.
izzy88
Active Member
Such a belief isn't based on anything actually found in the Christian faith - it's nothing but a distortion.
What we do in this world directly correlates with our experience of the next.
King Phenomenon
Well-Known Member
A lot of those people, if not all, still have hope and still look at their lives as a blessing.
My personal view is that there is no such thing. It's something created by man by a false hope. The entire concept seems absurd to me. But everyone is free to believe whatever they want to.