Who should get paid more : real heroes or fake heroes ?

Ruh · May 4, 2020

We spend millions and millions on the silver screen heroes and sports heroes just for our entertainment but where are they now ? The doctors , nurses , health professionals are all out there - risking their own lives to save others - how much they are paid compare to those fake heroes ?

If this virus still not taunted us to realize to give value to the real life heroes and give them what they worth , it is for sure a shame on humanity.

exchemist · May 4, 2020

Ruh said:
We spend millions and millions on the silver screen heroes and sports heroes just for our entertainment but where are they now ? The doctors , nurses , health professionals are all out there - risking their own lives to save others - how much they are paid compare to those fake heroes ?

If this virus still not taunted us to realize to give value to the real life heroes and give them what they worth , it is for sure a shame on humanity.

But that's not how salaries are determined in the real world, which is mainly by supply and demand. Ask any classical musician. However I think there is a very good chance that in the UK, where we have a national health service, in which salaries are in effect subject to government control, the nurses will shortly get a better deal. In the US I don't suppose there will any change whatsoever.

More generally, this crisis will have to be paid for. What will almost certainly happen is that, at least in Europe, the very well paid will find their taxes go up. And to be honest it is about time. The "trickle down" theory of wealth creation has been shown to be largely a sham over the last few decades. That will never happen in Trump's America, needless to say. The Great Swamp Drainer will make sure he, his creepy son in law, and his friends, will be able to carry on as before.

PureX · May 4, 2020

I predict that in the end we will have learned nothing.

Ruh · May 4, 2020

exchemist said:
But that's not how salaries are determined in the real world, which is mainly by supply and demand. Ask any classical musician. However I think there is a very good chance that in the UK, where we have a national health service, in which salaries are in effect subject to government control, the nurses will shortly get a better deal. In the US I don't suppose there will any change whatsoever.

More generally, this crisis will have to be paid for. What will almost certainly happen is that, at least in Europe, the very well paid will find their taxes go up. And to be honest it is about time. The "trickle down" theory of wealth creation has been shown to be largely a sham over the last few decades. That will never happen in Trump's America, needless to say. The Great Swamp Drainer will make sure he, his creepy son in law, and his friends, will be able to carry on as before.

Yah , at the end the shame is upon us and so ungratefulness and a corrupt mindset .

Ruh · May 4, 2020

PureX said:
I predict that in the end we will have learned nothing.

True that .

exchemist · May 4, 2020

PureX said:
I predict that in the end we will have learned nothing.

Thank you, Eeyore.

exchemist · May 4, 2020

Ruh said:
Yah , at the end the shame is upon us and so ungratefulness and a corrupt mindset .

I don't see it as shame on people or a corrupt mindset. I see this crisis as one of those events where choices of political leadership and political structures actually matter, so that politics ceases to be just the kind of TV entertainment, or outlet for lazy cynicism, that it has become in some countries.

In the UK we chose a lousy leader a few months ago, but at least the systems are not too far corrupted or dismantled. He is being forced to own the crisis and step up, which is good for us and for him. (Plus he nearly died of it himself, so there's no room for pretending it is overblown.) I think we will have a shift Left after the dust has settled. Social cohesion has been advanced and priorities re-examined. I hope we learn from it.

It will be painful for me, as no doubt they will come after my savings, but I don't mind giving the country a share, so long as I can stay in the house and have enough to pay for my care home when I get really old.

Kangaroo Feathers · May 4, 2020

Ruh said:
We spend millions and millions on the silver screen heroes and sports heroes just for our entertainment but where are they now ? The doctors , nurses , health professionals are all out there - risking their own lives to save others - how much they are paid compare to those fake heroes ?

If this virus still not taunted us to realize to give value to the real life heroes and give them what they worth , it is for sure a shame on humanity.

The older I get, the more I realise "hero" is a shorthand way of saying "I know you're in a hard and dangerous situation, and I want you to keep doing what you're doing, but I in no way wish to discuss ways to help you get out of it, and I certainly don't want to discuss how you got into the situation in the first place, and especially don't want to acknowledge any part I may have played in putting you there".

See also: "Thank you for your service".

exchemist · May 4, 2020

Kangaroo Feathers said:
The older I get, the more I realise "hero" is a shorthand way of saying "I know you're in a hard and dangerous situation, and I want you to keep doing what you're doing, but I in no way wish to discuss ways to help you get out of it, and I certainly don't want to discuss how you got into the situation in the first place, and especially don't want to acknowledge any part I may have played in putting you there".

See also: "Thank you for your service".

I think in some organisations with a strong safety culture there is a saying that heroism is something to stamp out. I vaguely recall something of the sort from my time with Shell. The idea is that if you have the right systems, properly resourced, and properly trained people, there should never be a situation in which heroism is required.

Hmm...........

Kangaroo Feathers · May 4, 2020

exchemist said:
I think in some organisations with a strong safety culture there is a saying that heroism is something to stamp out. I vaguely recall something of the sort from my time with Shell. The idea is that if you have the right systems, properly resourced, and properly trained people, there should never be a situation in which heroism is required.

Hmm...........

Don't get me wrong, there are situations where heroism is real and to be lauded. However, when people are put in unnecessary harms way by someone else, calling them a hero is, at best, unhelpful, and generally comes off as fairly condescending.

There was a period in my "just home from the sandbox, deeply angry" phase where if someone "thanked me for my service" or, worse, called me a hero, I'd round on them and demand to know what pressure they were putting on their elected representatives for better veteran's care, better protective and tactical equipment for deployed soldiers, and lastly, to make sure soldier's lives weren't being wasted for cheap political points?

Turns out a lot of people are happy to thank you for your service or call you a hero, but get pretty offended and huff if you actually ask them to back their cheap words with anything substantive. I rather suspect that usually, when people call you a hero, they are trying to make themselves feel better about themselves, not make you feel better about yourself.

Shad · May 4, 2020

Ruh said:
We spend millions and millions on the silver screen heroes and sports heroes just for our entertainment but where are they now ? The doctors , nurses , health professionals are all out there - risking their own lives to save others - how much they are paid compare to those fake heroes ?

If this virus still not taunted us to realize to give value to the real life heroes and give them what they worth , it is for sure a shame on humanity.

You are conflating two different industries ,ignoring how revenue works in both and what actors are in relation to their industry. You and I voluntarily spend money on entertainment. Healthcare under a NHS is paid by government and non-customers the majority of the time.

Watchmen · May 4, 2020

Ruh said:
We spend millions and millions on the silver screen heroes and sports heroes just for our entertainment but where are they now ? The doctors , nurses , health professionals are all out there - risking their own lives to save others - how much they are paid compare to those fake heroes ?

If this virus still not taunted us to realize to give value to the real life heroes and give them what they worth , it is for sure a shame on humanity.

Disagree. It’s supply and demand. A lot of people can become doctors. Not many can be LeBron.

MNoBody · May 4, 2020

eventually, childhood's end will be reached and we will outgrow such foolish games

Dan From Smithville · May 4, 2020

PureX said:
I predict that in the end we will have learned nothing.

Unfortunately, I share that opinion.

Shad · May 5, 2020

MNoBody said:
eventually, childhood's end will be reached and we will outgrow such foolish games

Magic create anything machines solely created for the setting in sci-fi does not equate reality. Also note the Fed withholds that technology from other nations.

MNoBody · May 5, 2020

Shad said:
Magic create anything machines solely created for the setting in sci-fi does not equate reality. Also note the Fed withholds that technology from other nations.

even Aesop's fables held profound truths
the narrative device employed is like the messenger, it is not the message.

Shad · May 5, 2020

MNoBody said:
even Aesop's fables held profound truths
the narrative device employed is like the messenger, it is not the message.

Sorry I was referring to the Star Trek quote which I cut out. My point stands. The Fed is a post-scarcity society due to magic. People do not need to grow crops. They can magic meals from atoms. When one does not have to work, ever, they can do whatever they want. That is why ST is fiction.

MNoBody · May 5, 2020

Shad said:
Sorry I was referring to the Star Trek quote which I cut out. My point stands. The Fed is a post-scarcity society due to magic. People do not need to grow crops. They can magic meals from atoms.

doesn't the current Fed conjure credits from nothing in a crumbling ponzi scheme , Baum's whole wizard of oz allegory was about the central banking scam according to him....

Shad · May 5, 2020

MNoBody said:
doesn't the current Fed conjure credits from nothing in a crumbling ponzi scheme , Baum's whole wizard of oz allegory was about the central banking scam according to him....
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The Fed is printing money while lowering rates to counter inflation.

Fuller ignores the fact that in order to determine that one in ten thousand there is a risk involved. Yawn. He also ignores the fact for people to "study" and "think" in school someone has to feed, shelter and cloth them. Someone that can not by using their time doing what students are doing. Also someone has do the same for those teaching them. Yawn. Ivy tower babble.

lewisnotmiller · May 7, 2020

Ruh said:
We spend millions and millions on the silver screen heroes and sports heroes just for our entertainment but where are they now ? The doctors , nurses , health professionals are all out there - risking their own lives to save others - how much they are paid compare to those fake heroes ?

If this virus still not taunted us to realize to give value to the real life heroes and give them what they worth , it is for sure a shame on humanity.

1. I'm not about to mistake the worth of any human with their pay cheque.
2. Assuming you mean 'pay them more', I applaud wage reform, but worry you're talking about inflating salaries in the industry without considering what the actual impact of that is.
3. If you think sports stars are stealing wages from health care professionals you're misunderstanding economics.

My wife is a nurse, and I'm a former teacher. I understand this issue quite well. But that doesn't mean I'm willing to support platitudes which have no practical consideration.

Having said all that, the sentiment BEHIND your post is one I concur with.

Who should get paid more : real heroes or fake heroes ?

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