Christians, which Old Testament Laws to obey, and which to ignore?

omega2xx · Apr 24, 2017

oldbadger said:
What is the defendant accused of?]

He is not accused. He recognizes he has sinned and now performs the required ritual be be forgiven.

Greed and Carelessness about the Rights of the Poor, yerhonner!<<

Who do you think maintains food banks, soup[ kitchens, rescue missions and many other charaties that help the needed? You need to get more educated about fundamentalism.

What is the case?
This greedy geezer 'ere reaped all his fields to their borders, includin' the corners, and took every last sheaf of corn possible. He muzzled his team of oxen so they couldn't eat while workin' an' when 'e realised 'ed left some 'arvest be'ind 'e turned 'is starvin' team ararnd to go back and get it all fer 'iself, yerhonner, thus bustin' a whole heap o' laws from Lev 19:9 ter Lev23:22 yerhonner. On top of all them bad fings yerhonner 'e was caught wiv dodgy weighing scales and even dodgier test weights yerhonner. Lev:19:35-36.... yerhonner.
The Defendant will Stand! What have you to say in your defence, you backslidin' law bustin' shady, dodgy geezer!?
Well your honour, when I got to reading these laws it caused me to wonder upon what God actually meant by them, and I got to meditating upon my salvation after death and the testimonies of the priophets and stuff like that. I nrever for one moment guessed that they might actually be laws which I have to keep because we have an organised and stable community, growing stronger each day because we keep together by their guidance and demands.
Guilty! Guilty!

Your ignorance of fundamentalims has just been exposed.

omega2xx · Apr 24, 2017

oldbadger said:
Letr me have my fun!
Court scene:-
What is the defendant accused of?
Speeding your honour. He was driving at 115 mph in a 30 mph limit. He went across three road intersections against red lights and failed to drive on the correct side of thev road thus bouncing off four vehicles coming in the other direction.
Defendant! What have you to say in your defence??

Your honour, the Highway Code is simply there to teach us that man does not have to die for his sins, a substitute will be provided.

.........................Oh Dear Me!!!!

Now you have exposed your ignorance of the substitutionary atonement of Jesus.

When someone has no answer, I notice they offer silly comments hoping to hide their ignorance. How sad.

oldbadger · Apr 24, 2017

roger1440 said:
and which to ignore?
I don’t go outside the camp, take a crap and bury it in a hole. But then again, I have indoor plumbing. There is one thing I have learned over the years. Be careful of the crap you send out into the world cause one day you just might step into it. (Deuteronomy 23:12-14)

You see?
Every OT law had it's 'down to earth' reasons. No need for meditating upon the spiritual content there. Such basic common sense, and yet Christians declare themselves above the Old Covenant, and then they grasp to it, and then dismiss it..... at whim. But you will obey this, as would I, if we should either of us be in camp.

Let me post it for all to see:-
{23:10} If there be among you any man, that is not clean
by reason of uncleanness that chanceth him by night, then shall he go abroad out of the camp, he shall not come within the camp: {23:11} But it shall be, when evening cometh on, he shall wash [himself] with water: and when the sun is down, he shall come into the camp [again. ]{23:12} Thou shalt have a place also without the camp, whither thou shalt go forth abroad: {23:13} And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon; and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, ..................................

oldbadger · Apr 24, 2017

omega2xx said:
He is not accused. He recognizes he has sinned and now performs the required ritual be be forgiven.

Your ignorance of fundamentalims has just been exposed.

Wrong! Look up the punishments for breaching thre laws mentioned in my post!

Look, I know that you are allowed to call people ignorant and get away with it, but it's best to be correct in what you say before you declare such things. OK?

oldbadger · Apr 24, 2017

omega2xx said:
Now you have exposed your ignorance of the substitutionary atonement of Jesus.

When someone has no answer, I notice they offer silly comments hoping to hide their ignorance. How sad.

Oh my...... Are you a Calvinist?
It reads like you are.
Sad.....

oldbadger · Apr 24, 2017

omega2xx said:
Now you have exposed your ignorance of the substitutionary atonement of Jesus.

When someone has no answer, I notice they offer silly comments hoping to hide their ignorance. How sad.

Ha ha! And now you have exposed your lack of knlowledge about what the laws of Moses were really about.

You took fun anecdotes based upon OT laws, ran 'hell-for-leather' into the New Covenant, turned back and called me ignorant of NT teachings! You're good!

Oh, I like you! And it looks as if you might be a 'Freely given dispensation-by-grace' Christian, because you hadn't even bothered to discover the many guides, requirements, rules and laws layed down in the New Covenant. You even (earlier) declared that they did not exist...... and then you called me ignorant. Oh yes, I like you a lot!

The thing about 'free-pre-dispensationist' Christians is that they don't believe they have to do anything to reach their heaven, because all they have to do is clutch tightly to their Free-Gift. I notice that they believe that 'Good-Works-for-Heaven' Christians who DO follow the NT laws won't actually make it to heaven. Only They-themselves will be given salvation. And they are alwayus the most careless, most rude, least understanding of others, I have learned.

Now I understand why you never ever bothered to read the rules, why you feel that you can spiritually break the speed limits, use the dodgy scales, etc.

I believe that I've sussed you out....
Gotcha!

omega2xx · Apr 24, 2017

oldbadger said:
Wrong! Look up the punishments for breaching thre laws mentioned in my post!

My comments were about the OT laws of sacrifice. In those cases no one had accused the person of sinning. They judged thy had on their own knowledge. Then the followed the requirements of their means of having the sins atoned for. I don't remember your comments about punishments in your last post and I don't feel like backtracking. If you mention them again, I will comment on them.

Look, I know that you are allowed to call people ignorant and get away with it, but it's best to be correct in what you say before you declare such things. OK?

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I never call anyone ignorant. I might call their comments ignorant or as in your case I called some of your comments ignorant based on your ignorance of Christianity.

omega2xx · Apr 24, 2017

oldbadger said:
Oh my...... Are you a Calvinist?
It reads like you are.
Sad.....

I am a 4 point Calvinist and I can back up all of its doctrines except "limited atonement" from Scriptures and if we compare our beliefs, I am sure I could find some of yours are not backed up by Scripture.

Let me take one shot on a doctrine where there is some disagreement among even those who have been born again. Is eternal security a belief you accept?

omega2xx · Apr 24, 2017

oldbadger said:
Ha ha! And now you have exposed your lack of knlowledge about what the laws of Moses were really about.

Well one of us has and I doubt if you can point to something in he law of Moses I don't understand. If you try, I might expose your lack of understand the law of Moses. Notice how sweet I was by not saying your ignorance of the law of Moses.

You took fun anecdotes based upon OT laws, ran 'hell-for-leather' into the New Covenant, turned back and called me ignorant of NT teachings! You're good!

Christians are obliged to use both testament to get their complete understanding of Christianity.
The new is in the old contained, the old is in the new expaalined

Oh, I like you! And it looks as if you might be a 'Freely given dispensation-by-grace' Christian, because you hadn't even bothered to discover the many guides, requirements, rules and laws layed down in the New Covenant. You even (earlier) declared that they did not exist...... and then you called me ignorant. Oh yes, I like you a lot!

Most Calvinist are not dispensationalist of any kind.

The thing about 'free-pre-dispensationist' Christians is that they don't believe they have to do anything to reach their heaven, because all they have to do is clutch tightly to their Free-Gift.

WE only believe that because like the little children know Jesus loves them----the Bible tells me so. How in the world can you red "free gift" and think it is not free? What is the punishment for taking away from God's word?

I notice that they believe that 'Good-Works-for-Heaven' Christians who DO follow the NT laws won't actually make it to heaven. Only They-themselves will be given salvation. And they are alwayus the most careless, most rude, least understanding of others, I have learned.
Let me suggest that instead of being ignorant, I will say you lack understanding of what the Scriptures teach. You are judging people you don't know as being unChristian and you are judging some as Christians who are not exhibiting what the Bible teaches. What is the punishment for judging others.

I am going to use ignorant again, to try and make you think---You are ignorant of what "fundamentalism" is. You have accepted a secular definition and that is what is sad. Do some homework of the subject if you want to cure your ignorance.

Now I understand why you never ever bothered to read the rules, why you feel that you can spiritually break the speed limits, use the dodgy scales, etc.

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Another judgment made from your ignorance. How much had I read the Bible? What have i said that makes you think don't have to obey the rules? What makes you think I don't accept Roman 6:1-2 & 15)?

I am going back to ignorant until you offer some justification for you judging me.

I believe that I've sussed you out....
Gotcha!

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Of course you do, but I am glad you used "believe" Because I have sussed you out by pointing your ignorance of fundamentalism and your judging me our of your ignorance.

oldbadger · Apr 24, 2017

omega2xx said:
I am a 4 point Calvinist .............................................

Well I never!
Ignorant or not, I 'clocked' you alright.

More on Dispensation 'Free Gift' by Grace Christians later...... it's my tea-time.

I must be learning something after all.....

omega2xx · Apr 25, 2017

oldbadger said:
Well I never!
Ignorant or not, I 'clocked' you alright. <<

You are not ignorant. Some of your theology is ignorant based on your lack of a proper understanding of the Bible.

More on Dispensation 'Free Gift' by Grace Christians later...... it's my tea-time.

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I could understand your delaying this discussion for a tee time, but not for a tea time.

I must be learning something after all.....

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Even us old foggies can still learn something if God puts our minds to it.

Nova2216 · May 2, 2020

oldbadger said:
Christians, which Old Testament Laws to obey, and which to ignore?
How were some O.T. laws dropped, and others kept?
A few Christians can be self-righteously judgemental about the lives, feelings, cultures, sexualities and beliefs of others.
Exactly what laws are within the New-Covenant, and which others 'repealed'?

The OT Law (the 10 commandments) was given to the Jews.

Christians were never under the 10 commandments (OT Law).

Christians live under the NT Laws (Rules) (James 1:25) (Rom.3:27) (Phil.3:16).

Christians do however learn certain principles from the OT (Rom.15:4).

rational experiences · May 2, 2020

In human history, science and machination changes its design and how it is applied, as based on science conscious AI feed back awareness.

The OT said that they built the mountain Temples on mountains.

In the NT, the laws of science physics said build the machines and use mounds in the technology and apply new grounding techniques, so that sink holes and melting of the stone will not be effectual. As a new way of utilising old science knowledge OT.

What science does when it imposes new theologies as interposed with physics and arguments about natural law.

The OT said that genetics had ended mutated in DNA Genesis. Notification of which says, humans had to accept their Fathers natural life, otherwise the Earth would be smited with a curse. SCIENCE was ended.

New Testaments did not begin with Jesus, it was a testimonial that agreed they had ignored the science occult warnings of the OT and did it again.

The testimony said, the newly born DNA genetics had healed and be returned for having heeded the Father advice....then life was sacrificed/cursed again.

So they re wrote the book. And wrote the warning and titled it forbidden to ever change names for fission of the body of God the holy dust/chemicals and holy water.

After all, Jesus life was stated to begin as a newly born human baby, it was not stated to be a new scientific theory about the stone of God was it Satanists.

oldbadger · May 2, 2020

Nova2216 said:
The OT Law (the 10 commandments) was give to the Jews.

Christians were never under the 10 commandments (OT Law).

Christians live under the NT Laws (Rules) (James 1:25) (Rom.3:27) (Phil.3:16).

Christians do however learn certain principles from the OT (Rom.15:4).

As you show, many Christians do seem to have to follow Paul's laws.
I think Jesus had different ideas.

osgart · May 2, 2020

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What does anyone make of the 7 dispensations?

Valjean · May 3, 2020

Nova2216 said:
The OT Law (the 10 commandments) was give to the Jews.

Christians were never under the 10 commandments (OT Law).

Christians live under the NT Laws (Rules) (James 1:25) (Rom.3:27) (Phil.3:16).

Christians do however learn certain principles from the OT (Rom.15:4).

But the Christians were Jews -- for quite a long time they were considered -- and considered themselves -- just another Jewish sect.
Didn't Jesus make it clear that he wasn't changing the law even a jot or tittle? Didn't he live as a Jew, observe Jewish laws, customs, holidays, &c?

Why even include the OT in the Bible, if it no longer applies? The God it depicts and the values expressed seem very different, often at odds with, modern Christian teachings.

rational experiences · May 3, 2020

Valjean said:
But the Christians were Jews -- for quite a long time they were considered -- and considered themselves -- just another Jewish sect.
Didn't Jesus make it clear that he wasn't changing the law even a jot or tittle? Didn't he live as a Jew, observe Jewish laws, customs, holidays, &c?

Why even include the OT in the Bible, if it no longer applies? The God it depicts and the values expressed seem very different, often at odds with, modern Christian teachings.

The OT has to be included for the NT was an updated revised same statement.

We were cursed and sacrificed by occult machine sciences, temple and pyramid trans mutation of the stone body. Conversion or transformation through destruction.

As a baby did not write the details, it was written after the newly born DNA mutated first born DNA markers were healed and returned to life naturally. In the nations where science had attacked life. As the Jesus theme.

Christ was in fact introduced by the Romans and European Jewish settlers which eventuated into the Shroud of Turin history. As the Christian theme.

Life had emigrated out of the desert into the European continents a long time ago...and began to migrate back due to healing of the DNA in their origin Holy Lands. So were differently advised culturally. Cross cultural awareness is how new teachings were always introduced.

They taught against owning the Temples historically.

They were not supported historically by either Jewish elders or the Romans using the science technology of their age.

Yet all community agreements eventuated into the Jesus Christ evaluation as a Hebrew/Muslim and Christian scientific realization. All who document their life attack/sacrifice and mutation in the God/Yehovah/Allah/muslim wars as UFO radiation fall out cause. The war against the One body...O planet Earth.

It is why the documents state that the Jesus history did not save anyone, the reason life was saved was that the attack was stopped as the science had been outlawed. The reference to being taught that life was saved related to the Christ scientific details, that stopped the attack on life actually. Due to the Jesus review.

As a historic cause.

Nova2216 · May 3, 2020

oldbadger said:
As you show, many Christians do seem to have to follow Paul's laws.
I think Jesus had different ideas.

Please notice I posted the word of God (1Peter 4:11).

I am not the author of this information I just read it in the bible (Eph.3:3,4).

Paul did not contradict the Lord Jesus Christ for he said the following.

37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. (1Cor.14:37)

Nova2216 · May 3, 2020

Valjean said:
But the Christians were Jews -- for quite a long time they were considered -- and considered themselves -- just another Jewish sect.
Didn't Jesus make it clear that he wasn't changing the law even a jot or tittle? Didn't he live as a Jew, observe Jewish laws, customs, holidays, &c?

Why even include the OT in the Bible, if it no longer applies? The God it depicts and the values expressed seem very different, often at odds with, modern Christian teachings.

Yes, the Jews were considered a Jewish sect even while Christians, but consider the source. It was a confusing time for those who were once under the OT Law (10 comm). Old habits can be hard to break especially after hundreds of years.

Yes Jesus lived, observed and died under the OT Law.

When Jesus died a new law began (Heb 8:6-13) (Heb.9:15-17) (Heb.10:9,10) (Rom.3:27) (James 1:25) (Jer. 31:31-34).

The OT is included for the history, prophecies, etc. (Rom.15:4). - "For our learning"

God is the same but how He deals with mankind does change as seen in the scriptures I posted above.

Thanks.

Nova2216 · May 3, 2020

osgart said:
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What does anyone make of the 7 dispensations?

It is incorrect.

The kingdom began in AD33 (Acts 2:36-47). Those who obeyed (Ac.2:38) were placed into the church (kingdom) (Ac.2:47).

The kingdom and the church are one in the same (Mt.16:18,19).

Thanks

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