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Scripture contradiction

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Is there one or two solid contradictions in christianity/biblical teachings that are more substantial than just going by historical differences based on the nature of the bible and the manner it was put together?

Can you find a contradiction to the message(s)?

I was wondering because when I read all these contradictions of the bible, it doesn't seem any different than any other contradiction in many religious text. The idea isn't to prove by finding archaeology and the real jesus' tombs anymore is it to prove that the biblical god actually murdered people and gold and jewels in heaven.

So, if there are relevant contradictions in the bible, what are those contradiction(s) that's specific to the actual biblical teachings?

Of course believers would highlight scripture, but in my opinion, it should be the message that's focused on not whether jesus was actually crucified, where, when, and how.

So...
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
@Unveiled Artist All of the so-called "contradictions" in the Bible are minor scribal errors or gross misinterpretations.

IF the bible is the word of God, there can be no contradictions that alter a Bible principle or teaching. It has one author, so how does that author argue with himself?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
@Unveiled Artist All of the so-called "contradictions" in the Bible are minor scribal errors or gross misinterpretations.

IF the bible is the word of God, there can be no contradictions that alter a Bible principle or teaching. It has one author, so how does that author argue with himself?

Well, if god is and can only exist with his message, then I can see that. Though, outside of scribal errors and gross misinterpretations, if some people say there is contradictions in the bible, it would make sense to focus more on the core teachings. I'm personally indifferent to it since they don't apply to me either way; but, yeah. Id agree if god was his word and couldn't exist with out it, then what you say makes sense.

Though those who 'do' say the bible contradicts itself, do they have a contradiction(s) that's based on the teachings itself, the message and not the interpretations etc?
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
@Unveiled Artist All of the so-called "contradictions" in the Bible are minor scribal errors or gross misinterpretations.

IF the bible is the word of God, there can be no contradictions that alter a Bible principle or teaching. It has one author, so how does that author argue with himself?
And yet, there are contradictions in the Bible, and there's no getting around that, except by pretending you don't remember them.

But I don't think that's the most important thing. My own feeling is this: if religion (any religion), is in contradiction with the reality of the world in which we find ourselves, then I think that religion must be suspect...and very probably wrong.

For me, as a battered child, it was being told, "Jesus loves and protects you," when clearly that was not true in the slightest. I remember in Sunday school being told "God sees the little sparrow fall," and I thought to myself, "so what? If He doesn't do anything to stop it, He's nothing but a voyeur getting His jollies from suffering."

And we have to remember, all Christians once believed that the Parousia was immanent. It is related that Christ even said, "some of you here" will still be alive when it comes. That is in obvious contradiction to the facts, since lo these 2,000 years later, not a single person living then is still with us -- and we're still waiting.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
And yet, there are contradictions in the Bible, and there's no getting around that, except by pretending you don't remember them.

There are no contradictions that alter any teaching of Jesus or of the Bible's own laws and principles.
Minor scribal errors are of no consequence in the big picture except for nit pickers. Gross misinterpretation is more likely to contradict the Bible than the Bible contradicting itself.

But I don't think that's the most important thing. My own feeling is this: if religion (any religion), is in contradiction with the reality of the world in which we find ourselves, then I think that religion must be suspect...and very probably wrong.

Can I have an example(s) of this please....

For me, as a battered child, it was being told, "Jesus loves and protects you," when clearly that was not true in the slightest. I remember in Sunday school being told "God sees the little sparrow fall," and I thought to myself, "so what? If He doesn't do anything to stop it, He's nothing but a voyeur getting His jollies from suffering."

If you were raised in one of Christendom's institutions then little wonder that you suffered as a child. Where was Jesus when you needed him? I assure you he was not in those institutions. The only 'voyeurs getting their jollies' were the perpetrators of the injustices you experienced with every lie that came out of their mouths, and every harm they inflicted on you. If they had been real Christians, then they would have treated you as Jesus himself would have.....they would have cared for you and protected you. It proves what Jesus said in Matthew 7:21-23. He 'never knew them'.

And we have to remember, all Christians once believed that the Parousia was immanent. It is related that Christ even said, "some of you here" will still be alive when it comes. That is in obvious contradiction to the facts, since lo these 2,000 years later, not a single person living then is still with us -- and we're still waiting.

I have explained this scripture so many times....please....it has nothing to do with how soon the kingdom would come. It is a gross misinterpretation, like so many other misinterpretations. Read the whole passage and you will see that Jesus was speaking about his transfiguration, where Peter, James and John saw Jesus in his glorious spiritual body as a foregleam of what was to come. That was Jesus portrayed as King of God's Kingdom. (Matthew 16:28; Matthew 17:1-8) It was a vision and Jesus fulfilled his promise to those apostles.

The prophesies in Daniel were sealed up until "the time of the end" (Daniel 12:4; 9-10) because God was not going to reveal things too ahead of time. Revelation of truth has always been progressive. Those prophesies (written 500 years before Jesus was even born) were not understood until our day. How do we know? Daniel detailed all the world powers down through history who had dealings with God's people....starting with Babylon...he foretold the rise of Medo-Persia....then Greece....then Rome...then out of the ashes of Rome, emerged Britannia who later allied with the USA in these last days (the feet of clay). According to Daniel, God's Kingdom "comes" in the days of those last world rulers. (Daniel 2:44) And according to my study of the scriptures, we are witnessing the beginning of the end right now.

Most 'Christians' do not even understand what Christ's "parousia" is, or what God's Kingdom is, or how it "comes" so that God's will can be "done on earth as it is in heaven". This is why we need to study the Bible for ourselves to see what it means for us personally.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Who killed Goliath; was it David or Elhanan?
1 Samuel 17:50 and 2 Samuel 21:19

Lahʹmi was the brother of Goliath the Gittite.
The account at 1 Chronicles 20:5 reads, in part, “Elhanan the son of Jair got to strike down Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite,” during a war with the Philistines. However, in a parallel text at 2 Samuel 21:19 the reading is: “Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite got to strike down Goliath the Gittite.” In the latter text it appears that ʼeth-lach·miʹ (in English, “Lahmi,” the Hebrew term ʼeth merely denoting that Lahmi is the object of a verb) was misread by a copyist to be behth hal·lach·miʹ (“Bethlehemite”). Therefore the original probably read, “got to strike down Lahmi,” just as the parallel text at 1 Chronicles 20:5 reads. This would make the two texts harmonize on this point. Lahmi, then, was evidently the brother of the Goliath that David killed. On the other hand, it is possible that there were two Goliaths.
Lahmi — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

Does it really matter? The moral of the story was not that David killed a giant who taunted his God, but the fact that he was a mere boy who relied on his God for victory.....not his size or strength, not his weapons, or how protective his armour was. We get the message...or we should.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
What is the core message of Christianity? The short version please.

John 3:16 pretty much sums it up: For god so loved the world he gave his only begotten son that whomever believes in him have everlasting life.

Anything in the bible could be subcategories and context to the fact god exists, loves the world, gave up his son, for all to live forever with god.

So....
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
John 3:16 pretty much sums it up: For god so loved the world he gave his only begotten son that whomever believes in him have everlasting life.

Anything in the bible could be subcategories and context to the fact god exists, loves the world, gave up his son, for all to live forever with god.

So....

If God wanted to forgive our sins, why not just forgive them? Who's God trying to impress? Presumably himself, since he is judge and jury, as well as execution victim.

-Richard Dawkins
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
If God wanted to forgive our sins, why not just forgive them? Who's God trying to impress? Presumably himself, since he is judge and jury, as well as execution victim.

-Richard Dawkins

Probably because the point is to find reconciliation in god rather than the other way around. The idea is that if you sin, you go and ask god forgiveness. It works as in if you hurt your brother or sister and your parent waits for you to say you're sorry so you can learn forgiveness yourself.

But that doesn't state a contradiction just saying what god "should have" done. That. And that's just belittling christianity not presenting a good argument.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Rational common human sense.

Natural human males as a group invented the statements for science. As Based on their beliefs, their wants, their motivations and their owned male human reasonings.

Why the statement confession.....to confess about SION...what he said was Holy fusion of God was male/scientists to own, and realize that you lie. As a scientist/Destroyer.

God stone philosophy is a natural planet that owns its owned natural causes for change which is difficult enough to contend with in life.

You then added your own destructive causes by chosen nuclear UFO science converting changes.....to force natural fusion to convert.

Therefore innocent, spiritual and natural male psyches existed first.

Now if you were owner of the highest male mind status, and chose evil, what sort of chance do you have to the contrary of being told how wrong you are?

The answer is to state a male statement less of the son...a lesson.

Yet you do not learn for science owned one original male basic motivation, as agreed by and with his highest self....what all the teachings meant.

For anyone knows you can be harmed, learn a lesson and then claim, never do it again.....yet other humans seem to own a death wish....and care less about warnings or safety. Human nature as we witness it living.

Hence conscious males who were striving to apply spiritual philosophical reasoning against unnatural living conditions made an agreement. Only the highest learned mind and spiritual mentality was allowed to know ancient secrets, for in fact it is titillating to be involved in this form of idealism in life.

So hierarchy and levels of teaching and self awareness, virtually based the less spiritual self in the lower grades of understanding...and then only the most spiritual wise and learned knew the secrets...and hence were not meant to be motivated to try to copy it.

Yet our brother spiritually realized that this form of male agreement was broken for the learned could not control their want of the ideals of such statements as the Holy Grail...so locked the documents away and said no one is allowed to read them.

Well guess what you did.

The preaching of knowledge was always done after reading very evil speaking documented destructive ideals and changing them into speaking about spirituality...as the teacher, which most of you seem to have forgotten the purpose of.

The Church in the past was a multi male organization of a multi country DNA life. So they owned brothers from a multi cross cultural agreement of learning spirituality. How the documents were released from being locked away....due to country of origin brother having stole them secretly.

Why Hitler suddenly came into an understanding of secrets. For not all brothers are spiritual brothers.
 
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