None of you ever seem to have any interest in anything that I’m trying to do.

YoursTrue said:

I actually like the song -- and many do have the opportunity to see life as an enjoyable proposition. On the other hand, some don't because of circumstances, but they know there must be something better.
(Revelation 21:1-5, hope you read it.)

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It is a decent song, good message and all that and seemed more appropriate than just spouting something similar to what has already been adequately said by others..
Revelation? Yup, have read it....certainly curious how such a Gnostic text as that got stuck in the State issued Bible, given the efforts the state has gone to to redact everything gnostic they could find [one really sees the love of God in that action, goooollly]

MNoBody said:

It is a decent song, good message and all that and seemed more appropriate than just spouting something similar to what has already been adequately said by others..
Revelation? Yup, have read it....certainly curious how such a Gnostic text as that got stuck in the State issued Bible, given the efforts the state has gone to to redact everything gnostic they could find [one really sees the love of God in that action, goooollly]

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It shows that God guides as God so chooses. Thus Revelation remains as it is really the most astonishing Book of the Message given by Christ, full of information on the promised return.

It ties perfectly back to the book of Daniel and gives the dates for the First event of Christ and then 3 more events that have become the 3 Woes faced by Christians.

So it's good to be curious as to why God's guidance included the Book of Revelation.

Revelation 3:22 is applicable, “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”

Regards Tony

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:

It shows that God guides as God so chooses. Thus Revelation remains as it is really the most astonishing Book of the Message given by Christ, full of information on the promised return.

It ties perfectly back to the book of Daniel and gives the dates for the First event of Christ and then 3 more events that have become the 3 Woes faced by Christians.

So it's good to be curious as to why God's guidance included the Book of Revelation.

Revelation 3:22 is applicable, “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”

Regards Tony

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Here is the lead up to the Three Woes and the things that happen during the first Woe. What is the Baha'i explanation.

Revelation 8:6 Then the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared to sound them.
7 The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down on the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.
8 The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood,
9 a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.
10 The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water—
11 the name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.
12 The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night.
13 As I watched, I heard an eagle that was flying in midair call out in a loud voice: “Woe! Woe! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because of the trumpet blasts about to be sounded by the other three angels!”
Revelation 9:1 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss.
2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss.
3 And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth.
4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads.
5 They were not allowed to kill them but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes.
6 During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.
7 The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces.
8 Their hair was like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth.
9 They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle.
10 They had tails with stingers, like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months.
11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).
12 The first woe is past; two other woes are yet to come.

CG Didymus said:

Here is the lead up to the Three Woes and the things that happen during the first Woe. What is the Baha'i explanation.

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I think Tony has flown the coop so you are now stuck with me as being the only Baha'i who shows up regularly to answer questions. I just happened to have this answer handy because I just posted it to a Christian and I save all my informational posts in Word documents. I have zillions of those saved in various folders by category.

“The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.” (Rev. 11:14) The first woe is the appearance of the Prophet, Muḥammad, the son of ‘Abdu’lláh—peace be upon Him! The second woe is that of the Báb—to Him be glory and praise! The third woe is the great day of the manifestation of the Lord of Hosts and the radiance of the Beauty of the Promised One. The explanation of this subject, woe, is mentioned in the thirtieth chapter of Ezekiel, where it is said: “The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying, Son of man, prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord God; Howl ye, Woe worth the day! For the day is near, even the day of the Lord is near.” (Ez. 30:1–3)

Therefore, it is certain that the day of woe is the day of the Lord; for in that day woe is for the neglectful, woe is for the sinners, woe is for the ignorant. That is why it is said, “The second woe is past; behold the third woe cometh quickly!” This third woe is the day of the manifestation of Bahá’u’lláh, the day of God; and it is near to the day of the appearance of the Báb.

“And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.” (Rev. 11:15)

The seventh angel is a man qualified with heavenly attributes, who will arise with heavenly qualities and character. Voices will be raised, so that the appearance of the Divine Manifestation will be proclaimed and diffused. In the day of the manifestation of the Lord of Hosts, and at the epoch of the divine cycle of the Omnipotent which is promised and mentioned in all the books and writings of the Prophets—in that day of God, the Spiritual and Divine Kingdom will be established, and the world will be renewed…..” Abdu'l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, pp. 56-57

Trailblazer said:

I think Tony has flown the coop so you are now stuck with me as being the only Baha'i who shows up regularly to answer questions. I just happened to have this answer handy because I just posted it to a Christian and I save all my informational posts in Word documents. I have zillions of those saved in various folders by category.

“The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.” (Rev. 11:14) The first woe is the appearance of the Prophet, Muḥammad, the son of ‘Abdu’lláh—peace be upon Him! The second woe is that of the Báb—to Him be glory and praise! The third woe is the great day of the manifestation of the Lord of Hosts and the radiance of the Beauty of the Promised One. The explanation of this subject, woe, is mentioned in the thirtieth chapter of Ezekiel, where it is said: “The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying, Son of man, prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord God; Howl ye, Woe worth the day! For the day is near, even the day of the Lord is near.” (Ez. 30:1–3)

Therefore, it is certain that the day of woe is the day of the Lord; for in that day woe is for the neglectful, woe is for the sinners, woe is for the ignorant. That is why it is said, “The second woe is past; behold the third woe cometh quickly!” This third woe is the day of the manifestation of Bahá’u’lláh, the day of God; and it is near to the day of the appearance of the Báb.

“And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.” (Rev. 11:15)

The seventh angel is a man qualified with heavenly attributes, who will arise with heavenly qualities and character. Voices will be raised, so that the appearance of the Divine Manifestation will be proclaimed and diffused. In the day of the manifestation of the Lord of Hosts, and at the epoch of the divine cycle of the Omnipotent which is promised and mentioned in all the books and writings of the Prophets—in that day of God, the Spiritual and Divine Kingdom will be established, and the world will be renewed…..” Abdu'l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, pp. 56-57

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What is a heavenly attribute, I suppose you mean that which is endowed on a man of flesh and blood.

MNoBody said:

It is a decent song, good message and all that and seemed more appropriate than just spouting something similar to what has already been adequately said by others..
Revelation? Yup, have read it....certainly curious how such a Gnostic text as that got stuck in the State issued Bible, given the efforts the state has gone to to redact everything gnostic they could find [one really sees the love of God in that action, goooollly]

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Revelation really cannot be understood without God's direction.

YoursTrue said:

What is a heavenly attribute, I suppose you mean that which is endowed on a man of flesh and blood.

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Yes, the heavenly attributes are endowed on a man of flesh and blood. The seventh angel is a man endowed with heavenly attributes, which means that He has the qualities of character necessary in order to endure the various hardships and persecution which are necessarily involved in bringing the message of God to humanity so humanity can use what he brought to establish the Kingdom of God on earth as it is described below. I only posted part of that quote so here is the whole quote for context:

“The seventh angel is a man qualified with heavenly attributes, who will arise with heavenly qualities and character. Voices will be raised, so that the appearance of the Divine Manifestation will be proclaimed and diffused. In the day of the manifestation of the Lord of Hosts, and at the epoch of the divine cycle of the Omnipotent which is promised and mentioned in all the books and writings of the Prophets—in that day of God, the Spiritual and Divine Kingdom will be established, and the world will be renewed; a new spirit will be breathed into the body of creation; the season of the divine spring will come; the clouds of mercy will rain; the sun of reality will shine; the life-giving breeze will blow; the world of humanity will wear a new garment; the surface of the earth will be a sublime paradise; mankind will be educated; wars, disputes, quarrels and malignity will disappear; and truthfulness, righteousness, peace and the worship of God will appear; union, love and brotherhood will surround the world; and God will rule for evermore—meaning that the Spiritual and Everlasting Kingdom will be established. Such is the day of God. For all the days which have come and gone were the days of Abraham, Moses and Christ, or of the other Prophets; but this day is the day of God, for the Sun of Reality will arise in it with the utmost warmth and splendor.” Abdu'l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, pp. 56-57

Trailblazer said:

“The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.” (Rev. 11:14) The first woe is the appearance of the Prophet, Muḥammad, the son of ‘Abdu’lláh—peace be upon Him! The second woe is that of the Báb—to Him be glory and praise! The third woe is the great day of the manifestation of the Lord of Hosts and the radiance of the Beauty of the Promised One. The explanation of this subject, woe, is mentioned in the thirtieth chapter of Ezekiel, where it is said: “The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying, Son of man, prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord God; Howl ye, Woe worth the day! For the day is near, even the day of the Lord is near.” (Ez. 30:1–3)

Therefore, it is certain that the day of woe is the day of the Lord; for in that day woe is for the neglectful, woe is for the sinners, woe is for the ignorant. That is why it is said, “The second woe is past; behold the third woe cometh quickly!” This third woe is the day of the manifestation of Bahá’u’lláh, the day of God; and it is near to the day of the appearance of the Báb.

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Again, did you read the verses in context? There's a lot going on. A lot of bad things happening... kind of like prophecies. How did those things get fulfilled in the time of Muhammad? Baha's neglect all that to focus only on the "Woes".
Now about woes... 56 Bible Verses about Woe... Here's a whole slew of them.
But here's the one that is used to by the Baha'is...
"Wail" or "Woe" isn't that important, but the context is. Baha'is take it out of context. And you probably don't care. The context is "Woe" to Egypt... They are going to get their %&# kicked.

Trailblazer said:

“And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.” (Rev. 11:15)

The seventh angel is a man qualified with heavenly attributes, who will arise with heavenly qualities and character. Voices will be raised, so that the appearance of the Divine Manifestation will be proclaimed and diffused. In the day of the manifestation of the Lord of Hosts, and at the epoch of the divine cycle of the Omnipotent which is promised and mentioned in all the books and writings of the Prophets—in that day of God, the Spiritual and Divine Kingdom will be established, and the world will be renewed…..” Abdu'l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, pp. 56-57

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There were six other angels. Who were they?
Here's the sixth angel...
The Woe is over. This stuff happens during the Second Woe. How does that fit in with The Bab? The Two Witnesses happen during the Second Woe also. The dragons and the beasts come right after the Seventh Angel sounds his trumpet. But Baha'is say those things, and the Two Witnesses, are about Muhammad and the Islamic dynasties? Please explain in context.

CG Didymus said:

Again, did you read the verses in context? There's a lot going on. A lot of bad things happening... kind of like prophecies. How did those things get fulfilled in the time of Muhammad? Baha's neglect all that to focus only on the "Woes".
Now about woes... 56 Bible Verses about Woe... Here's a whole slew of them.

Luke 10:13-14 “Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles had been performed in Tyre and Sidon which occurred in you, they would have repented long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.
Matthew 23:13-33 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. [Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense you make long prayers; therefore you will receive greater condemnation.] “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.
Revelation 8:13 Then I looked, and I heard an eagle flying in midheaven, saying with a loud voice, “Woe, woe, woe to those who dwell on the earth, because of the remaining blasts of the trumpet of the three angels who are about to sound!”
Revelation 12:12 For this reason, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them. Woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, knowing that he has only a short time.”
Revelation 18:10 standing at a distance because of the fear of her torment, saying, ‘Woe, woe, the great city, Babylon, the strong city! For in one hour your judgment has come.’
Ezekiel 16:23-27 “Then it came about after all your wickedness (‘Woe, woe to you!’ declares the Lord God), that you built yourself a shrine and made yourself a high place in every square. You built yourself a high place at the top of every street and made your beauty abominable, and you spread your legs to every passer-by to multiply your harlotry.
Ezekiel 13:1-9 Then the word of the Lord came to me saying, “Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who prophesy, and say to those who prophesy from their own inspiration, ‘Listen to the word of the Lord! Thus says the Lord God, “Woe to the foolish prophets who are following their own spirit and have seen nothing
Ezekiel 34:1-10 Then the word of the Lord came to me saying, “Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who prophesy, and say to those who prophesy from their own inspiration, ‘Listen to the word of the Lord! Thus says the Lord God, “Woe to the foolish prophets who are following their own spirit and have seen nothing ​

But here's the one that is used to by the Baha'is...

A Lament Over Egypt
Ezekiel 30:1 The word of the LORD came to me:
2 “Son of man, prophesy and say: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: “ ‘Wail and say, “Alas for that day!”
3 For the day is near, the day of the LORD is near— a day of clouds, a time of doom for the nations.
4 A sword will come against Egypt, and anguish will come upon Cush.When the slain fall in Egypt, her wealth will be carried away and her foundations torn down.
5 Cush and Libya, Lydia and all Arabia, Kub and the people of the covenant land will fall by the sword along with Egypt.
6 “ ‘This is what the LORD says: “ ‘The allies of Egypt will fall and her proud strength will fail. From Migdol to Aswan they will fall by the sword within her, declares the Sovereign LORD.
7 “ ‘They will be desolate among desolate lands, and their cities will lie among ruined cities.
8 Then they will know that I am the LORD, when I set fire to Egypt and all her helpers are crushed.
9 “ ‘On that day messengers will go out from me in ships to frighten Cush out of her complacency. Anguish will take hold of them on the day of Egypt’s doom, for it is sure to come.
10 “ ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: “ ‘I will put an end to the hordes of Egypt by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon.
11 He and his army—the most ruthless of nations— will be brought in to destroy the land. They will draw their swords against Egypt and fill the land with the slain.​

"Wail" or "Woe" isn't that important, but the context is. Baha'is take it out of context. And you probably don't care. The context is "Woe" to Egypt... They are going to get their %&# kicked.

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There were six other angels. Who were they?
Here's the sixth angel...

12 The first woe is past; two other woes are yet to come.
13 The sixth angel sounded his trumpet, and I heard a voice coming from the four horns of the golden altar that is before God.
14 It said to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, “Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.”
15 And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind.
16 The number of the mounted troops was twice ten thousand times ten thousand. I heard their number.
17 The horses and riders I saw in my vision looked like this: Their breastplates were fiery red, dark blue, and yellow as sulfur. The heads of the horses resembled the heads of lions, and out of their mouths came fire, smoke and sulfur.
18 A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that came out of their mouths.​

The Woe is over. This stuff happens during the Second Woe. How does that fit in with The Bab? The Two Witnesses happen during the Second Woe also. The dragons and the beasts come right after the Seventh Angel sounds his trumpet. But Baha'is say those things, and the Two Witnesses, are about Muhammad and the Islamic dynasties? Please explain in context.

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I wish I had time to analyze Bible verses but I don't. And I do not need to because it would not make any difference to me. The Bible can be used to say anything you want it to say in order to believe whatever you want to believe. You could go in circles for years and years and still not get anywhere.

Trailblazer said:

Yes, the heavenly attributes are endowed on a man of flesh and blood. The seventh angel is a man endowed with heavenly attributes, which means that He has the qualities of character necessary in order to endure the various hardships and persecution which are necessarily involved in bringing the message of God to humanity so humanity can use what he brought to establish the Kingdom of God on earth as it is described below. I only posted part of that quote so here is the whole quote for context:

“The seventh angel is a man qualified with heavenly attributes, who will arise with heavenly qualities and character. Voices will be raised, so that the appearance of the Divine Manifestation will be proclaimed and diffused. In the day of the manifestation of the Lord of Hosts, and at the epoch of the divine cycle of the Omnipotent which is promised and mentioned in all the books and writings of the Prophets—in that day of God, the Spiritual and Divine Kingdom will be established, and the world will be renewed; a new spirit will be breathed into the body of creation; the season of the divine spring will come; the clouds of mercy will rain; the sun of reality will shine; the life-giving breeze will blow; the world of humanity will wear a new garment; the surface of the earth will be a sublime paradise; mankind will be educated; wars, disputes, quarrels and malignity will disappear; and truthfulness, righteousness, peace and the worship of God will appear; union, love and brotherhood will surround the world; and God will rule for evermore—meaning that the Spiritual and Everlasting Kingdom will be established. Such is the day of God. For all the days which have come and gone were the days of Abraham, Moses and Christ, or of the other Prophets; but this day is the day of God, for the Sun of Reality will arise in it with the utmost warmth and splendor.” Abdu'l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, pp. 56-57

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I hope you do not take this as mean, and you sound like a gentle character, but I don't understand much of what you answer by means of quoting Abdul-Baha. Thanks for trying though.

YoursTrue said:

I hope you do not take this as mean, and you sound like a gentle character, but I don't understand much of what you answer by means of quoting Abdul-Baha. Thanks for trying though.

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I understand, but do you understand what I said about the seventh angel before the quote?
Yes, the heavenly attributes are endowed on a man of flesh and blood. The seventh angel is a man endowed with heavenly attributes, which means that He has the qualities of character necessary in order to endure the various hardships and persecution which are necessarily involved in bringing the message of God to humanity so humanity can use what he brought to establish the Kingdom of God on earth as it is described below.

Trailblazer said:

I wish I had time to analyze Bible verses but I don't. And I do not need to because it would not make any difference to me. The Bible can be used to say anything you want it to say in order to believe whatever you want to believe. You could go in circles for years and years and still not get anywhere.

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CG Didymus said:

But here's the one that is used to by the Baha'is...
A Lament Over Egypt
Ezekiel 30:1 The word of the LORD came to me:
2 “Son of man, prophesy and say: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: “ ‘Wail (Woe in the King James) and say, “Alas for that day!”
3 For the day is near, the day of the LORD is near— a day of clouds, a time of doom for the nations.
4 A sword will come against Egypt, and anguish will come upon Cush.When the slain fall in Egypt, her wealth will be carried away and her foundations torn down.
5 Cush and Libya, Lydia and all Arabia, Kub and the people of the covenant land will fall by the sword along with Egypt.
6 “ ‘This is what the LORD says: “ ‘The allies of Egypt will fall and her proud strength will fail. From Migdol to Aswan they will fall by the sword within her, declares the Sovereign LORD.
7 “ ‘They will be desolate among desolate lands, and their cities will lie among ruined cities.
8 Then they will know that I am the LORD, when I set fire to Egypt and all her helpers are crushed.
9 “ ‘On that day messengers will go out from me in ships to frighten Cush out of her complacency. Anguish will take hold of them on the day of Egypt’s doom, for it is sure to come.
10 “ ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: “ ‘I will put an end to the hordes of Egypt by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon.
11 He and his army—the most ruthless of nations— will be brought in to destroy the land. They will draw their swords against Egypt and fill the land with the slain."Wail" or "Woe" isn't that important, but the context is. Baha'is take it out of context. And you probably don't care. The context is "Woe" to Egypt... They are going to get their %&# kicked.

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It's not that difficult. I posted all the verses you need to read. Ezekiel 30 1-3 is not used in context. 56 times "Woe" is used, but for the three Woes in the one verse in Revelation Baha'is make them to be Muhammad, The Bab and Baha'u'llah.

Please don't say that you don't have time. Just say that you don't care. Prophecies are not fulfilled. They are manipulated to say what the Baha'is need them to say. And Baha'is cannot adequately answer the tougher, deeper questions regarding their beliefs and teachings. But on the surface, the Baha'i Faith sounds wonderful. Is it?

Trailblazer said:

I understand, but do you understand what I said about the seventh angel before the quote?
Yes, the heavenly attributes are endowed on a man of flesh and blood. The seventh angel is a man endowed with heavenly attributes, which means that He has the qualities of character necessary in order to endure the various hardships and persecution which are necessarily involved in bringing the message of God to humanity so humanity can use what he brought to establish the Kingdom of God on earth as it is described below.

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You capitalize the word 'He.' Does that mean you believe the one that encapsulates the heavenly attributes you speak of is God? Or perhaps God incarnate?
Please understand I still do not understand what you are saying. But thanks anyway.

YoursTrue said:

I hope you do not take this as mean, and you sound like a gentle character, but I don't understand much of what you answer by means of quoting Abdul-Baha. Thanks for trying though.

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Trailblazer said:

I understand, but do you understand what I said about the seventh angel before the quote?
Yes, the heavenly attributes are endowed on a man of flesh and blood. The seventh angel is a man endowed with heavenly attributes, which means that He has the qualities of character necessary in order to endure the various hardships and persecution which are necessarily involved in bringing the message of God to humanity so humanity can use what he brought to establish the Kingdom of God on earth as it is described below.

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There has been six other angel blowing their trumpets. Why is this one a man? And who are Baha'is saying it is, Baha'u'llah? Here's the verse again in the NIV version.
How do you make this angel a man? Plus, it says the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah? It isn't plural. It doesn't say the Lord's many "Messiahs".

Trailblazer said:

Yes, the heavenly attributes are endowed on a man of flesh and blood. The seventh angel is a man endowed with heavenly attributes, which means that He has the qualities of character necessary in order to endure the various hardships and persecution which are necessarily involved in bringing the message of God to humanity so humanity can use what he brought to establish the Kingdom of God on earth as it is described below. I only posted part of that quote so here is the whole quote for context:

“The seventh angel is a man qualified with heavenly attributes, who will arise with heavenly qualities and character. Voices will be raised, so that the appearance of the Divine Manifestation will be proclaimed and diffused. In the day of the manifestation of the Lord of Hosts, and at the epoch of the divine cycle of the Omnipotent which is promised and mentioned in all the books and writings of the Prophets—in that day of God, the Spiritual and Divine Kingdom will be established, and the world will be renewed; a new spirit will be breathed into the body of creation; the season of the divine spring will come; the clouds of mercy will rain; the sun of reality will shine; the life-giving breeze will blow; the world of humanity will wear a new garment; the surface of the earth will be a sublime paradise; mankind will be educated; wars, disputes, quarrels and malignity will disappear; and truthfulness, righteousness, peace and the worship of God will appear; union, love and brotherhood will surround the world; and God will rule for evermore—meaning that the Spiritual and Everlasting Kingdom will be established. Such is the day of God. For all the days which have come and gone were the days of Abraham, Moses and Christ, or of the other Prophets; but this day is the day of God, for the Sun of Reality will arise in it with the utmost warmth and splendor.” Abdu'l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, pp. 56-57

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I mean it is said that John Kellogg was a mystic also. Seventh-day Adventism, Mysticism and Spiritualism Just to say that many came forth with "inspired"messages.
Matthew 24:5 For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and they will mislead many.

CG Didymus said:

Please don't say that you don't have time. Just say that you don't care. Prophecies are not fulfilled. They are manipulated to say what the Baha'is need them to say. And Baha'is cannot adequately answer the tougher, deeper questions regarding their beliefs and teachings. But on the surface, the Baha'i Faith sounds wonderful. Is it?

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Why should I do your homework? You are the one who cares, not me.
But even if I attempted it, why do you think I could do any better job than you or anyone else/

I told you that the prophecies are NOT what Baha'u'llah told us to use to prove who He was, and in fact He never mentioned the prophecies at all. It is YOU who insist on using them, but they do not prove anything, because they can be twisted to apply to whatever people want them to apply to. Nevertheless, the prophecies have been fulfilled. It is the Christians and Jews who manipulate the prophecies to say what they want them to say so that Baha'u'llah cannot be the return of Christ or the Messiah, so they can continue to wait for the Messiah made in their own image.

Baha'is can adequately answer the tougher, deeper questions regarding their beliefs and teachings, just not to your satisfaction.

You do not believe that Baha'u'llah was who He claimed to be so why not just drop the issue? You cannot still be wondering if the Baha'i Faith is true after 50 years, can you? Obviously, you believe in the Bible, since you are trying to use it to disprove the Baha'i Faith, so why not become a Christian, what's holding you up? You cannot have it both ways. You either believe in the Bible or not. If you don't you cannot use it to prove Baha'u'llah failed at fulfilling the prophecies. If you believe the Bible is all true, then you should be a Christian. I am not a Christian so I am not obligated to believe that the Bible is all true.

YoursTrue said:

You capitalize the word 'He.' Does that mean you believe the one that encapsulates the heavenly attributes you speak of is God? Or perhaps God incarnate?
Please understand I still do not understand what you are saying. But thanks anyway.

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No, I do not believe that the man endowed with heavenly attributes is God, because God is not a man. I capitalize He because it refers to a Manifestation of God, Baha'u'llah, a man who has heavenly attributes. I also refer to Jesus as He or Him because I believe Jesus was a Manifestation of God, and He also has heavenly attributes.

Trailblazer said:

No, I do not believe that the man endowed with heavenly attributes is God, because God is not a man. I capitalize He because it refers to a Manifestation of God, Baha'u'llah, a man who has heavenly attributes. I also refer to Jesus as He or Him because I believe Jesus was a Manifestation of God, and He also has heavenly attributes.

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OK, now that you mentioned that, and I thank you for your answer -- again -- as far as your beliefs go, is Baha'u'llah the last or most recent manifestation of God?

CG Didymus said:

There has been six other angel blowing their trumpets. Why is this one a man? And who are Baha'is saying it is, Baha'u'llah? Here's the verse again in the NIV version.

Rev 11:15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever.​

How do you make this angel a man? Plus, it says the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah? It isn't plural. It doesn't say the Lord's many "Messiahs".

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True.

YoursTrue said:

I mean it is said that John Kellogg was a mystic also. Seventh-day Adventism, Mysticism and Spiritualism Just to say that many came forth with "inspired"messages.
Matthew 24:5 For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and they will mislead many.

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I am not saying that inspired messages prove someone is the return of Christ. There would have to be a lot more evidence than that to prove such a bold claim.

Many false prophets have some in Christ's name claiming to be Christ so that is why Jesus gave that warning not to believe anyone who came claiming to be Christ. In Revelation 2:17 and Revelation 3:12 it says Christ will have a new name. These prophecies and others from the NT and OT are delineated in this short video.