the false god required sacrifices. you can't give to god what is god's to begin with.
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Son of Man and the Son of God
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apples or oranges doesn't matter because again of colossians 3:11.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
"Watermelons".
the infinite I taht ma i
Etritonakin
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Yes -you can. You can give of yourself to God ("know ye not that you are not your own?") -and you can return what God gave you -having made more of it.
All things are God's -the exchange is about relationship.
God gave us creativity -life -love -and we can give God exceeding joy by what we do with those things.
Physical sacrifices of the past would not seem to relate to such -but they were only a beginning -and just as Christ sacrificed himself and all were better for it -including himself -there is not even one animal God cannot resurrect -or nullify the past experiences thereof.
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self-delusion is believing anything is apart from god.
god doesn't exist in some other time and place.
john 15:5
isaiah 45:5
Etritonakin
Well-Known Member
I definitely believe we are essentially composed of "God".
John 14:20 "At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you."
The fact that you can be delusional -or even consider the concept -means that you are LOGICALLY/EFFECTIVELY separated from God.
Are you saying God is deluding himself?
Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God,
And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear.
people who attempt to define an eternal and infinite concept as elsewhere are delusional.. infinite and eternal are synonyms and explicitly means having no limit, no boundary, and has no definite place/time aspect.
this is the self-delusion i'm speaking of.
Etritonakin
Well-Known Member
Why do you think I am doing that -if that is what you meant?
I am saying everything is God -including us -and he essentially created us by LOGICAL separation -giving "us" decision-making power, etc. separate from his own (a bit like a multiple personality ORDER) -not that anything can actually be separate from anything -as it's all the same thing -part of the same "everything"
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Duncan
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hello every one I hope you all doing well.
I dont believe that a GOD can have a son, Jesus never said that he is GOD neither that he is son of GOD, its all clear in the bible, I dont understand why people still follow blind-fully.
Claiming God as your father is pretty much an admission that you are claiming to be it's offspring.
it is "you" claiming separation. God joins. What God has joined together let no man put asunder
Duncan
Member
Im not claiming anything, God is my creator you can call it father as the creator and that we are all sons of God, but not as everone belive that "Jesus is the only begotten son." The word "only begotten" exists only in the Gospel according to John, only in the King James Version (1:14, 1:18, 3:16, 3:18). Interestingly enough, this word "only begotten" does not exist in the Revised Standard Version, New Revised Standard, or the World English Bible. Consequently, the two basic principles of Christianity, trinity and son of god, exist only in Gospel according to John and in First Epistle of John, only in the King James Version, a version that was described as having grave defects. The average Christian should have the right to ask why was the basics of my Christian faith deleted from later versions of the Bible and what happened to my faith? These are very serious and crucial questions. We all know by now that the writing of John is completely different from the synoptic Gospels. Again the question is why this word, that is extremely important, was deleted from later Bibles? But this is what Christians are made to believe in the churches without any references to the authenticity of the Gospels or to the different versions of the Bible. However, everyone know that God has many sons according to the Bible:
"That the sons of God saw the daughters of men" (Genesis 6:2).
"Israel is my son, even my firstborn" (Exodus 4:22).
"Ye are the children of God" (Deuteronomy 14:1).
"The Lord hath said unto me, (David) Thou art my son: this day have I begotten thee" (Psalms 2:7).
"for I (God) am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my first born" (Jeremiah 31:9).
"which (Adam) was the Son of God" (Luke 3:38).
"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God" (Romans 8:14).
It is quite clear from the above verses that many righteous people were called sons of God. Israel and Ephraim were God's firstborn. David and Jesus were called begotten sons of God. So what does that mean? It is a metaphorical, not literal, descriptive term that is commonly used by the Jews to indicate closeness and affection to God. The authors of the New Testament used the same title of the Son of God to indicate closeness to God. The apostles and Paul were Jews using Jewish terms. Jesus also said, "God is not only his father, but also your father" (Matthew 5:45 & 48). This metaphorical term is quite obvious in II Cor. 6:18 "And will be a father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." Christians agree with that, but emphasize that Jesus was an exception based upon only the Gospel according to John only in the King James Version. God created Adam. But both Adam and Jesus had no fathers. As a matter of fact, creating Jesus was simpler, in a human sense, than creating Adam, because Adam had no father or mother, while Jesus had a mother. God created every living creature. He is the Lord, Creator, Cherisher, and Sustainer of all. Metaphorically speaking therefore God is the father of all.
Let me ask you do you know the story about Melchisedec?
You're taking this to personal. I was referring to Jesus claiming to be the son of God.
Matthew 12:50
For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
Duncan
Member
I am not taking anything personal, I am just trying to tell you that if you read the bible in Greek Hebrew and English you will notice that the father doesn't mean dad the reason i asked you about Melchisedec its in the Hebrews 7:3 you can have a look at it
"Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, or end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually."
Melchisedec was the king of Salem and a priest of God. He met and blessed Abraham, Genesis 14:17-24. According to the above verse he is eternal, with no beginning or end, with no father or mother. He was in a position to bless Abraham. He was made like the Son of God. What more can you ask for a God? According to the Christian logic in the Bible, Melchisedec should be the Son of God or even god himself. He is more unique than Jesus or Abraham or Adam. None of these prophets are eternal. Why is Melchisedec very much unknown to the Christians? A person with his credential should be more famous than Jesus! Some may argue about the verse "like unto the son of God" that he is like but not actually the Son of God. In this case, who would confirm that the word "like" was not added to the text and who would confirm the authenticity of this whole part of the Hebrews, or who was the real author of this part? As usual this story is completely changed in other versions of the Bible. For example "without mother" is changed to "his mother was unknown"! Jesus called himself son of man and refused to be called Son of God:
"And the devils also came, out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God" (Luke 4:41).
It is clear here that the devils attempted to call Jesus as Son of God, but he refused that title, as the devils knew Jesus was the Christ. Jesus even refused to be called "the Christ of God" and called himself the son of man, (Luke 9:20-22).
Jesus was the expected Messiah and a prophet. Humans escalated and promoted him from a teacher to a prophet to the Son of God and finally to God himself.
You thought I was claiming something about you in your second post.
I wasn't.
I've read the Bible many times. Using many versions. I also use the Strong's a lot.
Using the name is what got him negative attention
Duncan
Member
Ok sorry i misunderstand you, so what do you believe in ?
Naasseni
RESOLUTION
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No they are not the same thing. Son of Man is a term shared by the angels and human beings alike.
King James Bible
Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
King James Bible
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Adam and all humans are sons of the most high God. Jesus like Adam born of the will of God not by the will of man
but sol;ely by the will of God. Most of the sons of man were born by the will of flesh but both Adam and Jesus were born by the power
of God. So Adam born of a woman is a son of man but born by the will and power of God as Adam he is also a son of God.
It is through Christ and Adam that Christians are children of the most high God.