Is Easter Pagan? Why celebrate it?

Augustus said:

Easter isn't piggybacking on Pagan traditions, it's based on Jewish traditions.
Easter eggs became a tradition as people gave up eggs for Lent (hence Shrove Tuesday is 'Pancake Day' in certain parts of the world)......................

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What Jewish traditions ___________I find there is No Lent in Scripture.
The night before Jesus died he feasted with his apostles. No fasting was done before Jesus died.
This is why Bible writers could pen the words found at:
Romans 14:17 The kingdom of God does Not mean food and drink...
Hebrews 13:9 ...established by grace Not food...
1 Corinthians 8:8 Food does Not commend us to God......

URAVIP2ME said:

It would be so-called Christians......
The so-called Christians also say to sacrifice ( some give up chocolate ) before Easter.
Jesus did Not give up any foods leading up to his death even had a BIG Passover dinner the night before he died.
After all, ' Food does Not commend us to God.....' - 1 Corinthians 8:8; Romans 14:17; Hebrews 13:9

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Yeah “so called” Christians, like my aunt who just now texted me about how Jesus is still forever sitting on the throne as King and how we should never forget that Easter is about celebrating Jesus’ gift. What a poser amirite?

metis said:

As used in English, but tomorrow morning I'll tell my Italian wife "Buona Pasqua", whereas "Pasqua" originally comes from the Italian word for "lamb" but now just means "Easter".

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Which actually illustrates the confusion -as they aren't even observed on the same day. Easter is not observed on the day the Passover is to be observed.

I understand some believe some had the authority to change things such as passover, the sabbath, etc., but respectfully disagree.

this too shall pass.

be nice to those you meet on the way up,
because, for a certainty, those will be the ones you meet on the way back down

URAVIP2ME said:

The apostles did Not hold an annual resurrection celebration.

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We don't know that one way or the other.

URAVIP2ME said:

The ' cup ' the ' bread ' and the ' wine ' all still symbolize the same thing.

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According to the gospels, no they don't.

URAVIP2ME said:

Jesus instructed a memorial to his 'day of death' (Luke 22:19) - Nisan 14 on the Jewish calendar.

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So?

URAVIP2ME said:

Just as a wedding anniversary does Not always come on a Sunday, Nisan 16 does Not always come on a Sunday.

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So?

All you are doing is speculating and then treating your speculations as if they're facts.

Etritonakin said:

Easter is not observed on the day the Passover is to be observed.

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Christians now operate under the Gregorian calendar that isn't the same as the Jewish lunar calendar.

Etritonakin said:

I understand some believe some had the authority to change things such as passover, the sabbath, etc., but respectfully disagree.

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Jesus gave the apostles that power with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Also, the Church broke from Jewish Law, therefore what Jewish Law required became moot.

metis said:

Christians now operate under the Gregorian calendar that isn't the same as the Jewish lunar calendar.

Jesus gave the apostles that power with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Also, the Church broke from Jewish Law, therefore what Jewish Law required became moot.

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We'll definitely have to agree to disagree on that -and I'm assuming you are not referring to the original apostles.

The entire world will even soon keep the "Jewish" holy days given by God -such as the feast of tabernacles specifically mentioned here....

Zech 14:16And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. 17And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. 18And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. 19This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

hey, its calendar wars.... the great war of the timelords....
one calendar to rule them all......resistance is futile, you will be assimilated into the collective

Etritonakin said:

We'll definitely have to agree to disagree on that -and I'm assuming you are not referring to the original apostles.

The entire world will even soon keep the "Jewish" holy days given by God -such as the feast of tabernacles specifically mentioned here....

Zech 14:16And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. 17And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. 18And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. 19This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

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Jewish Law only pertains to Jews:

Luke 16:16: “The Law and the prophets were in force until John.”

Romans 6:14: “Sin will no longer have power over you; you are under grace, not under the Law.”

7:6: “Now we are released from the Law.”

10:4: “Christ is the end of the Law.”

I Corinthians 7:19: “Circumcision counts for nothing.”

Galatians 3:10: “All who depend on the observance of the Law… are under a curse.”

5:2: “If you have yourself circumcised, Christ will be of no use to you.”

5:4 “Any of you who seek your justification in the Law have severed yourself from Christ and fallen from God’s favor.”

Ephesians 2:15: “In his own flesh he abolished the Law with its commands and precepts.”

Riders said:

So y'all knew I could not get through Easter without putting it up. What are all the similarities about Easter and the Pagan Holiday? Where did we get our Petercotton tale and Easter egg celebrations and why do Christians celebrate it?

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Easter was established at the Council of Nicaea in the year 325 AD by the council convened by the Roman emperor, Constantine, who was the Pontifex Maximus of the Roman pagan church, who initiated the Roman church which mirrored the pagan church of his soldiers The date and title were with respect to the queen of heaven, Astarte. Supposedly the Council chose the pagan Spring festival to set their religion apart from the Jews.

metis said:

Jewish Law only pertains to Jews:

Luke 16:16: “The Law and the prophets were in force until John.”

Romans 6:14: “Sin will no longer have power over you; you are under grace, not under the Law.”

7:6: “Now we are released from the Law.”

10:4: “Christ is the end of the Law.”

I Corinthians 7:19: “Circumcision counts for nothing.”

Galatians 3:10: “All who depend on the observance of the Law… are under a curse.”

5:2: “If you have yourself circumcised, Christ will be of no use to you.”

5:4 “Any of you who seek your justification in the Law have severed yourself from Christ and fallen from God’s favor.”

Ephesians 2:15: “In his own flesh he abolished the Law with its commands and precepts.”

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Well, if the "law" was made obsolete, and came to and end, then you wouldn't have to die. But as it is, heaven and earth have not passed away, therefore the angel of death still has you on his calendar. (Mt 5:17-18) As for the writings of the false prophet Paul, they would be considered a foundation of sand (Mt 7:28)

URAVIP2ME said:

Jesus' apostles never celebrated Easter ( Resurrection of Spring)
Jesus only instructed one Red-Letter calendar Day for his followers -> Luke 22:19
Jesus only authorized a remembrance of his day of death (Nisan 14 on the Jewish calendar )
Thus, genuine 'wheat ' Christians do Not celebrate that non-biblical celebration.

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The message of the 14th of Nissan, preparation day, was directed at getting rid of all the leaven. One was to eat the bread without leaven, and Yeshua was the bread of life, and the leaven of the Pharisees should not be eaten with the bread of life. Passover was the 15th of Nissan, which was the day of the angels of death, who took the first born of the Egyptians. The high holy Sabbath of the Passover was on what is known as a Thursday. There is nothing correct about the "Christian" theology about Passover. Easter and Sunday are the symbolism of pagan gods. The resurrection happened 3 days and 3 nights past the putting into the ground, which was on Wednesday evening, the 14th of Nissan, which turned out to be the evening of the Sabbath. KJB Mt 28:1 "late on the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week". Jewish days dawn/begin, on the previous days evening.

Riders said:

So y'all knew I could not get through Easter without putting it up. What are all the similarities about Easter and the Pagan Holiday? Where did we get our Petercotton tale and Easter egg celebrations and why do Christians celebrate it?

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The origin of this holiday is pagan, as the ancient Jewish tradition celebrated the "spring" on the night of the completion of the moon after the spring in northern Palestine on March 21. However, since the fourth century, its history has been modified to be called "Easter" in mid-April of the Jewish year, sometimes at the end of the month when the second moon is completed after the spring. It is true that the declared purpose of Christians is to commemorate the "resurrection of Jesus Christ", but the customs associated with it have nothing to do with Christianity. For example, the Catholic Knowledge Service tells in English about the Easter bunny: "The rabbit is a pagan symbol and has always been a symbol of fertility."

2ndpillar said:

Easter was established at the Council of Nicaea in the year 325 AD by the council convened by the Roman emperor, Constantine, who was the Pontifex Maximus of the Roman pagan church, who initiated the Roman church which mirrored the pagan church of his soldiers The date and title were with respect to the queen of heaven, Astarte.

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I'll have stuff that isn't true yet keeps being repeated as if it were, for $10 please.

Ishtar, Eostre, Astarte is all nonsense, other than Eostre may have a connection to the name in English which is pretty much irrelevant to the history of the celebration itself.

Nicaea they discussed the correct way to calculate the date for Easter, this is very different from 'establishing' it.

(They were too busy inventing the Bible and turning Jesus into God to also invent Easter )

Agnostisch said:

"The rabbit is a pagan symbol and has always been a symbol of fertility."

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Alternatively: spring festivals get associated with stuff that happens in the spring because they happen in the spring, not because they are "pagan symbols". It's likely to be based on European spring hares rather than bunnies anyway.

pagan ...it sounds like such a derogatory term....... like all those other denigrating terms used to describe people and groups someone looks down on..... it could be construed as being slanderous [and worse] even, depending on who is slinging it around, and to what end.

Augustus said:

Alternatively: spring festivals get associated with stuff that happens in the spring because they happen in the spring, not because they are "pagan symbols". It's likely to be based on European spring hares rather than bunnies anyway.

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The wild rabbit is the symbol of the feast to which the origin of the Word of Easter is traced. The English historian, Saint Bede the Venerable who lived between 672 and 735 A.D., says that the Anglo-Saxon people were the slaves of the gods , which were symbolized by the rabbit, and the Easter bunny usually moved to the United States with German immigrants who settled in Pennsylvania in the 18th and 19th centuries, spreading to Virginia, then north and south of Carolita, Tennessee, New York and Canada, spreading their customs.

Augustus said:

hey were too busy inventing the Bible and turning Jesus into God to also invent Easter

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The intent of the Council of Nicaea, convened at Constantine's summer palace, was to unify Constantine's Roman Empire. Their main subject was the controversy around the Trinity issue. Kind of like Arius against Athanasius. As far as inventing the bible, Constantine had his right hand man, the church historian, the Arian Eusebius, publish 50 bibles which have disappeared except for reference to one chapter which is not included in the current most commonly accepted cannon. It was later, in Athanasius Easter festival letter, that he contrived the current most commonly used "Christian" cannon.

Easter controversy - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_controversy

• Overview
• First Council of Nicaea in 325
• Quartodecimanism
• Synod of Whitby in 664
• Modern calls for a reform of the date of Easter
• See also
• External links

The First Council of Nicaea in 325 declared that Easter was always to be held on a Sunday, and was not to coincide with a particular phase of the moon, which might occur on any day of the week. However, a new dispute arose as to the determination of the Sunday itself, since Sundays can occur on any date of the month. Shortly before the Nicean Council, in 314, the Provincial Council of Arles in Gaul had maintained that the Lord's Pasch should be observed on the same day throughout the world and that each year the Bishop of Rome should send out letters setting the date of Easter.

easter is more about equinox's and celestial mechanics than it has to do with eschatological hypothecating .....but people are odd ducks, who will find meaning in entrails and puffs of smoke.
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URAVIP2ME said:

What Jewish traditions ___________I find there is No Lent in Scripture.
The night before Jesus died he feasted with his apostles. No fasting was done before Jesus died.
This is why Bible writers could pen the words found at:
Romans 14:17 The kingdom of God does Not mean food and drink...
Hebrews 13:9 ...established by grace Not food...
1 Corinthians 8:8 Food does Not commend us to God......

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The apostles had the last supper of bread and wine on the 14th, preparation day. The "feast" day, the 15th, was to be dining on unblemished lamb on the feast of Passover, which was supposed to be consumed before sunrise.(Exodus 12:10) As for the leaven of the Pharisees, hypocrisy, the traditions of men, Talmud, and such writings of the false prophet Paul, that was supposed to have been thrown out on preparation day

MNoBody said:

easter is more about equinox's and celestial mechanics than it has to do with eschatological hypothecating .....but people are odd ducks, who will find meaning in entrails and puffs of smoke.
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The "spring equinox" of 2020 was March 19, which was on a Thursday.