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Son of Man and the Son of God

Fool

Fool

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metis said:
I gotta leave very shortly, so let me just post this and the link:

In the Christian scriptures, Jesus uses the reference for himself more than Son of God. The attributes given to "the Son of man" in the Christian scriptures seem to correspond with those found in the Book of Daniel of the Hebrew scriptures - Daniel 7:13-14 "As I watched in the night visions, I saw one like a son of man coming with the clouds of heaven. And he came to the Ancient One and was presented before him. To him was given dominion and glory and kingship, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that shall not pass away, and his kingship is one that shall never be destroyed." The New Testament claims, in Revelation, that Jesus will come to earth on the "clouds of heaven," and that he will be given unending dominion and authority. It describes him as the "ruler of the kings of the earth," to be served and worshiped by all nations, people, and language groups. Another possible correspondence is found in repeated usage of a similar phrase in the Book of Ezekiel... -- Son of man (Christianity) - Wikipedia
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And yet Jesus testified against being served.

To serve is to give your life to love unconditional, and not to show favoritism.

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 20:28, Mark 10:45, John 13:1-17 - New International Version

God doesn't show favoritism even if Christiananity practices idolatry.

Deuteronomy 10:17

To serve is not an advocation to worship or idolize.
 
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crossfire

crossfire

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Fool said:
A lot of people have had ndes. The resurrection of the dead is not about the body. It's about the eternal spirit.
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It doesn't negate his having been born as and having experienced life as a human. Wouldn't this actual human experience where he suffered make him better qualified to serve as an intermediary to humans?
 
Fool

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crossfire said:
It doesn't negate his having been born as and having experienced life as a human. Wouldn't this actual human experience where he suffered make him better qualified to serve as an intermediary to humans?
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suffering creates temperance. People who need an intermediary are creating a codependency and not a direct relationship with their God. Their divine inner child is the light, Immanuel.


The Hindu is ahead of most christians because they understand the soul within the paramatman and not divided from it.

Two birds parable illustrates it beautifully
 
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crossfire

crossfire

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Fool said:
suffering creates temperance. People who need an intermediary are creating a codependency and not a direct relationship with their God. Their divine inner child is the light, Immanuel.
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Trinitarians see Jesus and god as one. Jesus is the aspect of god that became human.
The Old Testiment god didn't always deal humanely with humans.


The Hindu is ahead of most christians because they understand the soul within the paramatman and not divided from it.

Two birds parable illustrates it beautifully
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Well, now you are getting away from the realm of Christianity as stated in your OP.
 
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Etritonakin

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Fool said:
Are the son of man and son of God, the same thing?
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The son of God became the son of man to bridge the gap.

Heb 7:26For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens
 
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metis said:
No, as "Son of Man" is a messianic reference, whereas "Son(s) of God" is a reference to Jewish men, unless you see "Only Son of God" stated or implied, which is a reference to Jesus.
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Interestingly, most of the references to Son of Man come from Ezekiel, especially the valley of dry bones.
 
Fool

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crossfire said:
Trinitarians see Jesus and god as one. Jesus is the aspect of god that became human.
The Old Testiment god didn't always deal humanely with humans.
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God is not a respecter of persons. The trinitarians can't nullify the word if they consider it holy.


crossfire said:
Well, now you are getting away from the realm of Christianity as stated in your OP.
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the original OP is not to promote Christianity. The truth isn't exclusive to a religion.
 
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Fool

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ClimbingTheLadder said:
Well between Judaism and Christianity the meanings are too significantly different.
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So you're claim is that Christians took two terms from Judaism and changed them to promote idolatry? To serve and believe isn't a command to worship idols is it?
 
Fool

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When the son of man comes into his glory, he knows himself as the son of god because of the name. the kingdom of god is near, even at hand.


Revelation 12:5
She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.

Revelation 21:7
Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children.


the resurrection of the spirit is immanuel born and realized.


revelation 22:16



 
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Etritonakin

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Fool said:
Melchizedek was the first
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The Word -who eventually was flesh as Christ -was also "I AM" who dealt with Moses -and also Melchizedek.
That is the whole point of Hebrews 7.

1For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. ..............................

.........26For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; 27Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
 
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Thief

Thief

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it's that HOOK the Carpenter implied when He said.....
I shall make you fishers of men

having recited what you heard.....
the hook left a scar on your ear
and another in your lip
 
Fool

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Etritonakin said:
The Word -who eventually was flesh as Christ -was also "I AM" who dealt with Moses -and also Melchizedek.
That is the whole point of Hebrews 7.

1For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. ..............................

.........26For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; 27Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
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all things were made flesh through the word. Genesis 1 teaches that and John reiterates. Jesus said I require mercy and not sacrifice. Isaiah talks about the abomination of sacrifices in Isaiah 66
 
Etritonakin

Etritonakin

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Fool said:
all things were made flesh through the word. Genesis 1 teaches that and John reiterates. Jesus said I require mercy and not sacrifice. Isaiah talks about the abomination of sacrifices in Isaiah 66
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I don't know what you mean and why you are saying that. How does that relate to what I wrote?

Christ was referring to the verse by Hosea (which was originally given/inspired by the Father and the Word through the spirit of God).... "For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings."

God DID require sacrifices -but in order to prepare people for the spiritual things which were to follow.

All physical sacrifices foreshadowed Christ's sacrifice of himself.

God never actually DESIRED the sacrifice of animals, etc. -but they were a method of teaching in preparation for the future phases of his overall plan.
 
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