A journey to the Mysterious letters in the Quran.

I have an assignment due Friday midnight, so will just be introducing this topic, which I hope we all will enjoy despite how controversial it may seem.

I am going to proposing meanings to the mysterious letters of Quran and how I got to them. Now, I know A Sunni will say, look at this Rafidi and the degree he goes in interpreting the Quran to the extent he thinks he knows the meanings of the mysterious letters.

I will discuss all this and I believe I will not show how I got there, but after I am done, these letters will take on a mysterious yet clear meaning, due to the way Quran interprets itself.

In other ways, I want to help facilitate readers to believe this is what the mysterious letters mean and not only that, when you understand it, it will become a miracle in itself. They will become ways of remembering a lot, and they will be in a way words that have more meaning into them, then any words you know. This is despite them just be acronyms with simple meanings with respect to that, it's how we get to know what acronyms mean through the journey in Quran and seeing it to be truth.

Right now all this sounds ambiguous and all of it, seems unclear, but I hope by doing this, some people will witness the divine miracle of these letters with respect to the Quran.

I suppose you can read Arabic. Here is one:

حمعسق


It is the disconnected letters in the beginning of a Surrah:

Now read that Backward starting from ق

ق قائم (Qaim )
س ستین (Sixty)
ع علی (Ali)
مح محمد (Muhammad)

Qaim of the Sixty is Ali Muhammad.

And I Can bring Hadith from Shia Imams to support this!

Ali Muhammad was the name of the Bab who in the year sixty, declared to be the Qaim.

Are you familiar with Abjad letters?

InvestigateTruth said:

And I Can bring Hadith from Shia Imams to support this!

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I think you are thinking (although we will disagree on interpretation) of this hadith:

ومن الحديث ما رواه العياشي عن أبي لبيد المخزومي قال: قال أبو جعفر عليه السلام: يا أبا لبيد إنه يملك من ولد العباس إثنا عشر يقتل بعد الثامن منهم اربعة تصيب أحدهم الذبحة فتذبحه فئة قصيرة أعمارهم خبيثة سيرتهم منهم الفويسق الملقب بالهادي والناطق والغاوي يا أبا لبيد إن لي في حروف القرآن المقطعة لعلماً جمّاً إن الله تبارك وتعالى أنزل { الم } ذلك الكتاب فقام محمد حتى ظهر نوره وثبتت كلمته وولد يوم ولد وقد مضى من الألف السابع مأة سنة وثلاث سنين ثم قال: وتبيانه في كتاب الله في الحروف المقطعة إذا عددتها من غير تكرار وليس من حروف مقطعة حرف تنقضي أيامه إلا وقام من بني هاشم عند انقضائه ثم قال: الألف واحد واللام ثلاثون والميم أربعون والصاد تسعون فذلك مائة وواحد وستون ثم كان بدور خروج الحسين بن علي عليهما السلام الم الله فلما بلغت مدته قام قائم من ولد العباس عند المص ويقوم قائمنا عند انقضائها بالمر فافهم ذلك وعد واكتمه.

This hadith I just read it today, and is exactly what I'm trying to prove. I will translate it later, and will build first on clear foundations and then reason through all that, and try to provide clear proofs.

Will also trying to be prove the following hadith: { (1) ألَم }: في المعاني عن الصادق عليه السلام ألم هو حرف من حروف اسم الله الأعظم المقطّع في القرآن الذي يؤلفه النبيّ صلّى الله عليه وآله أو الامام فإذا دعا به أُجيب.

I will be trying to prove the following (along with the meanings of the disconnected letters, which I will try to justify through Quran and hadiths, but ultimately prove in Quran).

It's meant to be abstract and this post to get you thinking, is all. When counting Surahs remember, it's inclusive of the one it starts and ends at, so don't miscount on that.


Alif Lam Meem - Imam Hassan Alaskari (as) (11th Successor)
2-6 (5 Surahs) (29-35) (7 Surahs) (12 Surahs)
Alif Lam Meem Saad - Imam Jaffar (as)(6th Successor)
7-9 (3 Surahs)
Alif Lam Ra -The Radiant Fatima (as)
10-12 14-18 (8 Surahs)
Alif Lam Meem Ra - Imam Mahdi (as)
13 (1 Surah)
Kaf Ha Ya Ain Saad - Imam Mohammad Jewad (as) (9th Successor)
19 (1 Surah)
Ta Ha - Imam Ali (as) (1st Successor)
20-25 (6 Surahs)
Ta Seen Meem - Imam Mohammad Al-Baqir (as) (5th Successor)
26, 28 (2 Surahs)
Ta Seen - Imam Sajjad (as) (4th Successor)
27 (1 Surah)
Ya Seen - Nabi Mohammad (sa) (initiator/founder)
(2 Surahs)
(36-37)
Saad - Imam Ali Al-Naqi (as) (10th Successor)
(2 Surahs)
(38-39)
Ha Meem - Imam Hussain (as) (3rd Successor)
(40-42 43-49) (10 Surahs)
Ain Seen Qaaf - Imam Hassan (as) (2nd Successor)
(42) (1 Surah)
Qaaf - Imam Musa Al-Kadhim (as) (7th Successor)
(50-67) (18 Surahs)
Noon - Imam Ali Reda (as) (8th Successor)
(68-114) (47 Surahs)

Link said:

I think you are thinking (although we will disagree on interpretation) of this hadith:

ومن الحديث ما رواه العياشي عن أبي لبيد المخزومي قال: قال أبو جعفر عليه السلام: يا أبا لبيد إنه يملك من ولد العباس إثنا عشر يقتل بعد الثامن منهم اربعة تصيب أحدهم الذبحة فتذبحه فئة قصيرة أعمارهم خبيثة سيرتهم منهم الفويسق الملقب بالهادي والناطق والغاوي يا أبا لبيد إن لي في حروف القرآن المقطعة لعلماً جمّاً إن الله تبارك وتعالى أنزل { الم } ذلك الكتاب فقام محمد حتى ظهر نوره وثبتت كلمته وولد يوم ولد وقد مضى من الألف السابع مأة سنة وثلاث سنين ثم قال: وتبيانه في كتاب الله في الحروف المقطعة إذا عددتها من غير تكرار وليس من حروف مقطعة حرف تنقضي أيامه إلا وقام من بني هاشم عند انقضائه ثم قال: الألف واحد واللام ثلاثون والميم أربعون والصاد تسعون فذلك مائة وواحد وستون ثم كان بدور خروج الحسين بن علي عليهما السلام الم الله فلما بلغت مدته قام قائم من ولد العباس عند المص ويقوم قائمنا عند انقضائها بالمر فافهم ذلك وعد واكتمه.

This hadith I just read it today, and is exactly what I'm trying to prove. I will translate it later, and will build first on clear foundations and then reason through all that, and try to provide clear proofs.

Will also trying to be prove the following hadith: { (1) ألَم }: في المعاني عن الصادق عليه السلام ألم هو حرف من حروف اسم الله الأعظم المقطّع في القرآن الذي يؤلفه النبيّ صلّى الله عليه وآله أو الامام فإذا دعا به أُجيب.

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I am still waiting for your translation on this.
You can share what you understand from those two hadithes.
Later, after you, I will share my view.

Link said:

I will be trying to prove the following (along with the meanings of the disconnected letters, which I will try to justify through Quran and hadiths, but ultimately prove in Quran).

It's meant to be abstract and this post to get you thinking, is all. When counting Surahs remember, it's inclusive of the one it starts and ends at, so don't miscount on that.


Alif Lam Meem - Imam Hassan Alaskari (as) (11th Successor)
2-6 (5 Surahs) (29-35) (7 Surahs) (12 Surahs)
Alif Lam Meem Saad - Imam Jaffar (as)(6th Successor)
7-9 (3 Surahs)
Alif Lam Ra -The Radiant Fatima (as)
10-12 14-18 (8 Surahs)
Alif Lam Meem Ra - Imam Mahdi (as)
13 (1 Surah)
Kaf Ha Ya Ain Saad - Imam Mohammad Jewad (as) (9th Successor)
19 (1 Surah)
Ta Ha - Imam Ali (as) (1st Successor)
20-25 (6 Surahs)
Ta Seen Meem - Imam Mohammad Al-Baqir (as) (5th Successor)
26, 28 (2 Surahs)
Ta Seen - Imam Sajjad (as) (4th Successor)
27 (1 Surah)
Ya Seen - Nabi Mohammad (sa) (initiator/founder)
(2 Surahs)
(36-37)
Saad - Imam Ali Al-Naqi (as) (10th Successor)
(2 Surahs)
(38-39)
Ha Meem - Imam Hussain (as) (3rd Successor)
(40-42 43-49) (10 Surahs)
Ain Seen Qaaf - Imam Hassan (as) (2nd Successor)
(42) (1 Surah)
Qaaf - Imam Musa Al-Kadhim (as) (7th Successor)
(50-67) (18 Surahs)
Noon - Imam Ali Reda (as) (8th Successor)
(68-114) (47 Surahs)

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I don't know what you mean here.

InvestigateTruth said:

I am still waiting for your translation on this.
You can share what you understand from those two hadithes.
Later, after you, I will share my view.

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Ismal atham refers to concept and a reality. It's the face of God reality.

InvestigateTruth said:

I don't know what you mean here.

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The Surahs under Alif Lam Raa and all the way through until the next sacred letters, although emphasize on all of Ahlulbayt and Mohammad and the Mahdi, particularly emphasize more so on the wisdom of Fatima Al-Zahra and her place in guidance.

Alif Lam Meem and Surahs in that category (not just that start with it but that go on) are more particular to Imam Hassan Alakari.

Kaf ha ya ain saad for example is particularly more to Imam Mohammad Al-Jewad due to his young age as an Imam, and being the first to be that young among Ahlulbayt taking leadership. It was the trial of that and the verses of Yahya being given governance although young age and a child pertained to supporting Imam Jewad. That and Imam Reda limiting to after to the eldest son from then on links to "and I fear the inheritors after me..." talk from Zakariya.

Taha clearly about Imam Ali as the Harun theme is more emphasized in the Surah of Taha and the Surahs leading all the way to the next sacred letters.

This is what I mean. All of them are all about the chosen ones in general, but have specific wisdom pertaining to particular ones.

Link said:

The Surahs under Alif Lam Raa and all the way through until the next sacred letters, although emphasize on all of Ahlulbayt and Mohammad and the Mahdi, particularly emphasize more so on the wisdom of Fatima Al-Zahra and her place in guidance.

Alif Lam Meem and Surahs in that category (not just that start with it but that go on) are more particular to Imam Hassan Alakari.

Kaf ha ya ain saad for example is particularly more to Imam Mohammad Al-Jewad due to his young age as an Imam, and being the first to be that young among Ahlulbayt taking leadership. It was the trial of that and the verses of Yahya being given governance although young age and a child pertained to supporting Imam Jewad. That and Imam Reda limiting to after to the eldest son from then on links to "and I fear the inheritors after me..." talk from Zakariya.

Taha clearly about Imam Ali as the Harun theme is more emphasized in the Surah of Taha and the Surahs leading all the way to the next sacred letters.

This is what I mean. All of them are all about the chosen ones in general, but have specific wisdom pertaining to particular ones.

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I tell you my view, in some of the disconnected letters.

Ta Ha

Ta in Abjad is equal to 9: طا
Ha in abjad is 5. ه

Baha in Abjad is 9 بهاء equal to numerical value of طا
Bab in abjad is 5 باب equal to numerical value of ه


Ta Ha is an allusion to Bab and Baha, the two promised ones. (Qaim and Christ return)

Link said:

Will also trying to be prove the following hadith: { (1) ألَم }: في المعاني عن الصادق عليه السلام ألم هو حرف من حروف اسم الله الأعظم المقطّع في القرآن الذي يؤلفه النبيّ صلّى الله عليه وآله أو الامام فإذا دعا به أُجيب.

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This Hadith is an allusion to the name of the Qaim.

حمعسق ) هو حروف من اسم الله الاعظم المقطوع ، يؤلفه الرسول و الامام صلى الله عليهما ، فيكون الاسم الاعظم الذي إذا دعي الله به أجاب [٣].

٦ ـ فس : أحمد بن علي وأحمد بن إدريس معا ، عن محمد بن أحمد العلوي عن العمركي ، عن محمد بن جمهور ، عن سليمان بن سماعة ، عن عبدالله بن القاسم عن يحيى بن ميسرة الخثعمي ، عن أبي جعفر 7 قال : سمعته يقول : ( عسق ) عداد سني القائم 7 ، وقاف جبل محيط بالدنيا من زمرد أخضر ، فخضرة السماء من ذلك الجبل ، وعلم علي كله في عسق [٤].


Translation :

Hadith from Imam Abi Abdullah: With regards to interpretation of حمعسق Imam said, It is letters of the Greatest name separated from each other, which [when joined together ] the name of Messenger and Imam is written.



Comment: The Messenger is 'Muhammad' And Imam is 'Ali'. These two names are separated, but when they are joint together, it becomes Name of Qaim: Ali Muhammad.


Let's examine حمعسق

حم according to a Hadith from Imam Kazim, is an allusion to محمد

ع is an allusion to علی

س is an allusion to ستین which means 60

ق is an allusion to قائم


قائم ستین علی محمد = حمعسق

Qaim of year 60 is Ali Muhammad.

And here is another Hadith which tells us in the year 60 the Qaim is manifested:

فی حدیث مفضَّل «سَئَلَ عن الصّادق فکیف یا مولایَ فی ظهورِهِ؟ فقال علیه‌السلام: فی سَنَةِ السّتّینِ یَظهَرُ أمرُه و یعلُوا ذکره

Year 60, is an allusion year 1260.

LOL, nice interpretation, fully objective lol. To people without bahai confirmation bias, they can deduce there are 14 titles about Ahlulbayt, each one all of them including the Prophet, and yet each one is specific to each member of Ahlulbayt. Anyways, I'm going to prove this through Quran.

Ta Seen for example is for Imam Sajjad (as).

Ta Seen Meem for Imam Mohammad Al-Baqir (as).

And you get to know what to seek from their message and know what they faced as leaders from the Surahs under those letters. And some of them are good news type prophecies such as showing who Imam Sajjad (as) was meant to be in the nation if people accepted Ahlulbayt (as). And some if the nation disbelieved and turned on their backs, what the role of the Imams (as) would be, and some a mix, like Ta Seen Meem is somewhere in between.

Although they all apply to Mohammad (s) obviously at different times of his life because that is how they were revealed, they have specific application, to each Imam (a).

Although all titles are God's greatest names applying to himself through his chosen ones and all apply to all of Ahlulbayt (a):

Yaseen = Mohammad (s)
Taha = Ali (a)
Aliflamraa = Fatima (a)
Ainsinqaaf = Hassan (a)
Hameem = Hussain (a)
Taseen = Ali (a) (4th successor)
Taseenmeem = Mohammad (a) (5th successor)
Alimlammeemsaad = Jaffar (a)
Qaf = Musa (a)
Noon = Ali (a) (8th successor)
Kahaya-ainsad = Mohammad (a) (9th successor)
Saad= Ali (a) (10th successor)
Aliflammeem = Hassan (a) (11th successor)
Aliflammeemraa = Mohammad (a) (12th successor)

What they each mean is a little harder to deduce, but to build the case for this, we have to resort to the clear signs of Quran. Then the coincidence of exactly 14 and the hints to each Imam (a) the Surahs under them are too much to deny.

Then we can look for the meaning.

Link said:

LOL, nice interpretation, fully objective lol. To people without bahai confirmation bias, they can deduce there are 14 titles about Ahlulbayt, each one all of them including the Prophet, and yet each one is specific to each member of Ahlulbayt. Anyways, I'm going to prove this through Quran.

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It is not my interpretation. Everything I presented came from a Hadith, which has a witness from Quran. You can point out, if anything I wrote is not from a Hadith.

Ta Seen for example is for Imam Sajjad (as).

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How do you know that? Did any of the infallible Imams said Ta Seen is Imam Sajjad? Or this is just based on nice guesses?

Same question with the rest of interpretations:

Ta Seen Meem for Imam Mohammad Al-Baqir (as).

And you get to know what to seek from their message and know what they faced as leaders from the Surahs under those letters. And some of them are good news type prophecies such as showing who Imam Sajjad (as) was meant to be in the nation if people accepted Ahlulbayt (as). And some if the nation disbelieved and turned on their backs, what the role of the Imams (as) would be, and some a mix, like Ta Seen Meem is somewhere in between.

Although they all apply to Mohammad (s) obviously at different times of his life because that is how they were revealed, they have specific application, to each Imam (a).

Although all titles are God's greatest names applying to himself through his chosen ones and all apply to all of Ahlulbayt (a):

Yaseen = Mohammad (s)
Taha = Ali (a)
Aliflamraa = Fatima (a)
Ainsinqaaf = Hassan (a)
Hameem = Hussain (a)
Taseen = Ali (a) (4th successor)
Taseenmeem = Mohammad (a) (5th successor)
Alimlammeemsaad = Jaffar (a)
Qaf = Musa (a)
Noon = Ali (a) (8th successor)
Kahaya-ainsad = Mohammad (a) (9th successor)
Saad= Ali (a) (10th successor)
Aliflammeem = Hassan (a) (11th successor)
Aliflammeemraa = Mohammad (a) (12th successor)

What they each mean is a little harder to deduce, but to build the case for this, we have to resort to the clear signs of Quran. Then the coincidence of exactly 14 and the hints to each Imam (a) the Surahs under them are too much to deny.

Then we can look for the meaning.

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Where does this information come from?

I will explain. You have to listen for the explanation before calling it guesswork though. There is no guessing involving.

Let us do a mental exercise. Suratal Taha - and all the Surahs until next disconnected letters.

Can you see why I believe this hints about Ali (a)? I will let you first see if you can see for yourself or should I explain? Up to you!

Suratal Taha - Why do I say this one is more geared towards Imam Ali (a).

The reasons are:

(1) Aaron (a) place to Moses (a) is equivalent to the place of Ali (a) to Mohammad (s) and the longest prayer version of Moses' (a) prayer paraphrased many ways here parallels Suratal Inshirah in Suratal Taha.
(2) The name exalted which is what Ali (a) means is hinted in this Surah when it says to Moses' (a) indeed you are the highest and then is the only place where Aaron's (a) name precedes that of Moses' (a) and says "Lord of Aaron and Moses" while the two other places it says "Lord of Moses and Aaron".
(3) The mistreatment of Aaron (a) by his people is more detailed in this Surah.
(4) The emphasis on the place of Aaron (a) to Moses' (a) is more emphasized in this Surah than others, although he is emphasized in other Surahs.
(5) This a hint to Surah that follows (Suratal Anbiya) that the "reminder" is not just the Prophet (a) and Quran, but also Ali (a) and the Quran, and it's referring to their authority and light and relationship to humanity on behalf of God.

The Surahs I say are more geared towards Fatima (a), has to do with the position of Sarah (a) in relationship to the family of Abraham (a).

Fatima (a) and her place, is to connect Mohammad (a) and Ali (a) both to the chosen leaders. Usually, lineage is by male, but like Jesus (a), Fatima (a) and her offspring has to be seen as an exception to the rule.

In Suratal Hud for example, there is emphasis on the good news given to Sarah (a) and Abraham (a) and that they are addressed as the "people of the house".

Suratal Yusuf shows not all offspring of Fatima (a) are special, but her place is to connect the special chosen ones from God to Mohammad (a) and Ali (a). In fact, it's more like Fatima (a) is used to connect the whole family of Mohammad (a) together.

While Aaron (a) and his chosen offspring (a) were said to be the family of Moses (a) as well. It's easier to connect the chosen offspring with Fatima (a) to both Mohammad (a) and Ali (a) then just to emphasize on this aspect of the Quran.

The two chapters about Imam Mohammad Al-Baqir (a) has to do with the his title known as "the one who cleaves the knowledge deeply".

The prayer of Moses (a) to relieve the knot on his tongue was of course metaphorical, and Imam Mohammad Al-Baqir (a) is by which the knots on the tongue of all Messengers (a) of the past was finally relieved.

Aaron (a) was better in speech only due the circumstances allowing him to do so as successor of Moses (a).

Imam Mohammad Al-Baqir (a), due the situation, was able to successfully cleave the knowledge deeply and release the constriction on the heart of Mohammad (s).

The two Surahs paraphrase the prayer of Moses (a) more geared towards this meaning in short words, and hence, I connected these two chapters to Mohammad Al-Baqir (a) and his place.

I will continue with the rest another time. This is enough for now.

As for Imam Mohamad Al-Jewad (a), than Ka-ha-ya-ain-saad, is geared towards him because he was the first to get leadership at a very tender and young age. This chapter has examples of Isa (a) and Yahya (a) both guiding and being proofs of God in a very young age and declaring their authority as children.