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What is the difference between the new and old covenant?

Spartan

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Paul's gospel of grace/cross, is antithetical to the gospel of the kingdom. The gospel of the kingdom is when "My servant David" will rule over the combined "stick" of "Judah" and "Ephraim"/house of Israel (Ezekiel 37), and "they shall live on the land I gave to Jacob", and "keep My statutes". They will be given a "new heart" and a "new spirit", and be "gathered out of the nations" (Ez 36:24 & 26). It is a time when all the nations/Gentiles, in which Israel had been "scattered", would be destroyed completely (Jeremiah 30:11) & (Daniel 2:44). Babylon and her daughters will find their ending. Paul and his church of lawlessness, will be among the fallen (Matthew 7:23-27) & (Mt 13:40-41). You can get out now, or suffer the consequences. (Rev 18:4)

As i previously posted, Paul and Jesus share the same major tenets of the faith.

Did Jesus and Paul teach the same thing? | CARM.org
 

2ndpillar

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Will try to respond more later... initial thoughts....

Rev 7:9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

How is the cross in hands and foreheads?

Paul's gospel of the cross/grace is the nailing of the law to the cross. God's sign on the hand and forehead is teaching and keeping the commandments/law (Dt 6:8). As for your multitude, they had to come through the "great tribulation" to be "saved" from the consequences of the "Great Tribulation". Paul's followers, whether dead or alive think they are "saved" now or before they died. Before the tribulation proceeds (Mt 24), the kingdom of God shall be preached, which is having "My servant David" "king" and keeping "My statutes". (Ez 37:24-25). At the "end","lawlessness is increased" due to the "false prophets", which would include Paul, whose message is one of nailing the law to the cross, a message of lawlessness. (Matthew 24:11-14). Paul is clearly described in Matthew 7:15-23). Paul's followers are best described as "tares" growing from seed cast by the devil and his side kicks, the false prophets. Apparently people will "endure" to "the end" after repentance, baptism by fire (tribulation), and "endure to the end". As for your washing of robes, that was not accorded to the "dogs, sorcerer, immoral person, murderers, idolater and those who practice lying (Revelation 22:14-15). And what does the "blood of the Lamb" represent? It represents the Holy Spirit. And who is given a new heart and a new spirit? (Jeremiah 31:35) & (Ezekiel 36) That would be the house of Israel, who is scattered among the nations (Ez 36) and will be forgiven for their name's sake, and they number as sands of the sea. As for the "foreigners" (Is 56:6), for them to worship on My mountain, they must "hold fast my covenant", and keep the Sabbath, the sign given to God's people. The day of the worship of the sun, was decreed by Constantine, in 321 AD, and is a sign between him and his god, Sol Invictus, the "dragon"/devil. The sign given by the "dragon" to Constantine, the beast with two horns like a lamb, was the sign of the cross in 310 AD.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Will try to respond more later... initial thoughts....

Rev 7:9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

How is the cross in hands and foreheads?

If you are looking past DT 6:8, you can go to an Ash Wednesday Roman service, and see a cross being applied on the forehead of the sheep, if you are looking for something physical. Or you can go to a college football game and watch the "Christian" players often make a mark of the cross, starting with their forehead.
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
If you are looking past DT 6:8, you can go to an Ash Wednesday Roman service, and see a cross being applied on the forehead of the sheep, if you are looking for something physical. Or you can go to a college football game and watch the "Christian" players often make a mark of the cross, starting with their forehead.
I thought you meant the actual sign of a cross -having crosses, etc. Making the sign of the cross may be associated with counterfeit things which God did not give (Easter for passover, Sunday for the sabbath, etc.) but it is certainly not the extent.

God's commandments/judgments/instruction/teachings are definitely "upon your hand or as frontlets between your eyes" -as are the counterfeits and submission to other which are the mark of the beast in the right hand and forehead.

I'm not sure I follow the rest you are saying -not much time now (ironically).
 
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