cataway
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do you's consider your selves to be Christian ?
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To Christians: When is Christ Returning?
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cataway
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i am well aware Jesus did commission his followers to carry on in the work Jesus had started . being told to go even to the end's of the earth to do it . but the idea that Jesus had failed .perhaps you should rethink that Baha'u'llah came to complete the work .
when its complete
1 CORINTHIANS 15:
24 Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. 27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.
Trailblazer
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I do not consider myself a Christian because I am a Baha'i, which means follower of Baha'ullah. As such, I do not believe everything Christians believe.
The Baha'i position on Christianity is as follows:
“As to the position of Christianity, let it be stated without any hesitation or equivocation that its divine origin is unconditionally acknowledged, that the Sonship and Divinity of Jesus Christ are fearlessly asserted, that the divine inspiration of the Gospel is fully recognized, that the reality of the mystery of the Immaculacy of the Virgin Mary is confessed, and the primacy of Peter, the Prince of the Apostles, is upheld and defended. The Founder of the Christian Faith is designated by Bahá’u’lláh as the “Spirit of God,” is proclaimed as the One Who “appeared out of the breath of the Holy Ghost,” and is even extolled as the “Essence of the Spirit.” His mother is described as “that veiled and immortal, that most beauteous, countenance,” and the station of her Son eulogized as a “station which hath been exalted above the imaginings of all that dwell on earth,” whilst Peter is recognized as one whom God has caused “the mysteries of wisdom and of utterance to flow out of his mouth.”
The Promised Day is Come, pp. 109-110
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
You are correct, Jesus completed the work He was sent by God to do. That is why Jesus said:
John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
This is why Jesus came into the world, and He completed that mission. That is why there is no reason for Jesus to ever return to earth.
John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
Baha'u'llah did not come to complete the work of Jesus, He came to continue it. Jesus said that there were many things He had to say but you cannot bear them now.
John 16:12-13 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Baha'u'llah came to teach those many things.
stvdv
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Thanks for sharing your view.
I am okay with this if you mean with "enemies" the Christians who go against Jesus' Teachings.
If you impose Christianity on other religious people, atheists, humanist etc., then I totally disagree with you
Hinduism for example, is a great religion, and has sublime Teachings, not belittling nor needing Christianity
Humanisme stands for people who put into practice, that what Jesus taught us "Love thy neighbor as thyself"
All -ism's have good values in them, none need Christianity or Jesus, they have their own "path/view"
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CG Didymus
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This is all meaningless to a "Born-Again" type of Christian. Baha'is do not acknowledge the "Sonship and Divinity" the same way those Christians see it. He is God. He alone had the power to forgive sins. "Divine" inspiration of the Gospels? What does that mean to a Baha'i? To those Christians the gospels and whole Bible is the inerrant, infallible Word of God. Baha'is don't. Yes, it is a mystery that the Roman Church came up with "immaculacy" of Mary.
In Roman Catholic Christian theology, the Immaculate Conception is the conception of the Virgin Mary free from original sin by virtue of the merits of her son Jesus. The Catholic Church teaches that God acted upon Mary in the first moment of her conception, keeping her "immaculate".
Then Peter? Christians probably talk more about Paul then Peter. So this doesn't even fly with me, let alone Fundy Christians.
I would ask, how would they know what Jesus looks like?
Now if one says
Yes and what were you looking for?
I ask the question about when Jesus first came, how world shattering was a man having been baptised in a river by John the Baptist, but that day saw the dawn of a New Heaven and a new earth of understanding. After that many miraculous and wonderful things happened, but who saw them as well?
Same thing happened on evening of May 22nd 1844, The promise of scripture was fulfilled when the Bab (Gate) declared to the first Disciple that He was the One the world awaited and had come to prepare the way for the 'Glory of God', fulfilling many scriptures, like this one;
Ezekiel 43:4
The 'Glory of the LORD' (Baha'u'llah) entered the temple (The person of the Messenger) through the 'Gate' (Bab) facing east (from Persia).
Ezekiel 43 is about what happensiin 1844, from verse 1 "Then the man brought me to the gate (Bab) facing east (in Persia) , 2 and I saw the 'glory of the God' (Baha'u'llah) of Israel (World centre now on Haifa) coming from the east." Baha'u'llah was banished from Persia, from the east to the Holy Land.
Many Prophecy now fulfilled. 1844 was the end of the world, a new one now rolls out in its stead. A new Heaven and a New earth has come.
Regards Tony
CG you continue to quote what all others believe.
In the end you have to determine what you believe, make up your own mind about what scriptures say.
Regards Tony
cataway
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no actuality its about Jesus as he entered into the Most Holy of that “true temple,” namely, “into heaven itself, now to appear before the person of God for us.” (Hebrews 8:2; 9:23, 24) There he presented the merit of his perfect human sacrifice that he had offered on earth upon Jehovah’s altar arrangement. (Hebrews 13:10-12, 20) that all happen long before Baha'u'llah was even was a gleam in the eye of his great ,great , ecta. ecta. forefather's.
Thus will the JW jeep hoping, until....?
I see Baha'u'llah was the Father Jesus said He would send in His Name. If that is the case, time will prove it to be so.
Regards Tony
cataway
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ahh ,but now your changing scripture to fit your own needs and agenda . in effect negating every thing Jesus did and died for . it was the blood of Jesus ,a perfect man , that will redeem mankind . Baha'u'llah was just another man that BTW could get a Resurrection . i'm not going to say he will, nor can i say he will not . its what he does after receiving a Resurrection that will determine if he remains living in the Kingdom of Jesus here on earth.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Ezekiel foretold that the Messiah would come to the Holy Land, Israel, from the East.
Ezekiel 43:2 And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory.
Ezekiel 43:4 And the glory of the Lord came into the house by the way of the gate whose prospect is toward the east.
Where did Jesus come from and go to? According to my research Jesus was born Bethlehem and later moved to Nazareth, both in Israel, so Jesus could not have come from the way of the east.
"Bahá’u’lláh came from Persia, which is to the East of Israel, but to the west of India. His ministry from the time of its beginning until his last days on earth was forty years.The prophets of Syria and Palestine foretold the coming of the promised Messiah from the East. The prophets and seers from India and the Far East,said that he would appear in the West. Persia, the birthplace of Bahá’u’lláh lies in between these two, and fulfils the requirements of each.
In the book of Enoch, it is prophesied that the Messiah of the last days shall come from the East of Israel, and that He shall come from the land now known as Persia. Enoch foretells:“And in those days the angels will assemble, and turn their heads towards the East, toward the people of Parthia and Medea, in order to excite the kings, and that a spirit of disturbance came over them, and disturbed them from off their thrones.” (Enoch 56:5). Parthia and Medea make up what is now the land of Persia, the birthplace of Bahá’u’lláh.The Jewish oracles, the Sibylline books, also mention the coming of the Messiah from the East,"
William Sears, Thief in the Night
cataway
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it was in heaven that Jesus is seen entering the temple .
There he presented the merit of his perfect human sacrifice that he had offered on earth
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Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Baha'u'llah was the resurrection so He won't need a Resurrection.
“The Day of God’s Revelation is the Day of the most great Resurrection. We cherish the hope that, quaffing from the choice wine of divine inspiration and the pure waters of heavenly grace, thou mayest attain the station of discovery and witnessing, and behold, both outwardly and inwardly, all that which thou hast mentioned.”
The Tabernacle of Unity, pp. 62- 63
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Heaven has no geography, so there is no "East" in heaven, so Jesus could not have fulfilled these prophecies.
For Christians everything has to be about Jesus, only not everything is about Jesus.
I can not change a fulfilment, that would be saying Jesus also changed scriptures.
It is what it is they are what they are, they are the I Am.
Regards Tony
cataway
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the vision Jehovah as the heavenly Designer presented it as already put up, ready for inspection and measurement. It pictures the “true tent,” which Jehovah put up, and not man.” So this visionary temple had the “typical representations of the things in the heavens.”Heaven has no geography, so there is no "East" in heaven, so Jesus could not have fulfilled these prophecies.
For Christians everything has to be about Jesus, only not everything is about Jesus.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Or not see anything we haven't already seen.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Not unless you can change history and geography.
Isaiah 35:1-2 “The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose. It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the LORD, and the excellency of our God.”
Micah 7:14 “Feed thy people with thy rod, the flock of thine heritage, which dwell solitarily in the wood, in the midst of Carmel.”