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This Is Art (it really is)

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Not necessarily.
It is also about revealing and working with our dark side, and forcing people to look at things from which they normally avert their eyes.
Some artists use their "dark side" in the expression of their art yes. And often in the art of the old masters like Rembrandt, Edvard Munk, Van Gogh we can see their pain within their pictures. Its an expression to the world in their time. Often what is seen as art today eve back to 1960 or so would not be seen as art in older times, because much of the art of today are made to shock and to give an expression of a different calibre then it was in the time where the painting was the main medium used.

When I studied art we often focused on the old masters from the year 1600 up to the beginning of the year 1900, but not so much on the rest.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
The lines have blurred a little for me with the advent of the 3-d printer. Also, counterfeiters, should they be automatically excluded as artists? I go back and forth in my head about that.
Counterfit artists are often very good technically in one or two fields within art, But yes i think they should be seen as artists too, because of their ability to copy the way they do, they would need the quality too. (but counterfeit is not a good way of being an artist since it is not allowed)
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Counterfit artists are often very good technically in one or two fields within art, But yes i think they should be seen as artists too, because of their ability to copy the way they do, they would need the quality too. (but counterfeit is not a good way of being an artist since it is not allowed)
For me, it's the same as a great craft person who elevates their craft into art. When does a person cross the line from "Maker" to "Artist"? Is it intention? I don't think so... When does a counterfeiter becoms so skilled that they themselves are an artist and the copy is a work of art? I don't know.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
For me, it's the same as a great craft person who elevates their craft into art. When does a person cross the line from "Maker" to "Artist"? Is it intention? I don't think so...
If someone copies others, that to me is a maker of art, when someone creates a new artistic work from beginning to end, that is the artist.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
It is. But in the end it doesn't really matter. What matters is the intention being conveyed (and fulfilled) by the artwork, itself.
OK. I agree with you, but, I don't think this is complete. I think, quite honestly, you're a harsh critic. Not just in visual arts, but in music as well. It's not a bad thing.
 

dybmh

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If someone copies others, that to me is a maker of art, when someone creates a new artistic work from beginning to end, that is the artist.
... until ...

The Maker of art becomes so skilled that they are able to copy many many different artists, and they discover creative and innovative ways to copy.... IDK... it's kind of like a pick-pocket who becomes an artist in their slight of hand...

idk... :)

There is someone who built a machine to recreate the painting style of Pollack. The machine ( an ingenious contraption ) recreates pollacks drunken random splatters and drips. The inventor / counterfeiter, if I recall, is a mathematician. Could the inventor be an artist? Maybe. It depends on what else they create. Perhaps this counterfeiting machine is their "early work"? Only time would tell?
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
... until ...

The Maker of art becomes so skilled that they are able to copy many many different artists, and they discover creative and innovative ways to copy.... IDK... it's kind of like a pick-pocket who becomes an artist in their slight of hand...

idk... :)

There is someone who built a machine to recreate the painting style of Pollack. The machine ( an ingenious contraption ) recreates pollacks drunken random splatters and drips. The inventor / counterfeiter, if I recall, is a mathematician. Could the inventor be an artist? Maybe. It depends on what else they create. Perhaps this counterfeiting machine is their "early work"? Only time would tell?
When i went to art school we did a lot of copy the old masters, and yes we learned a lot about technique, so in this way copy someone is good, to make a copy so well that t is almost impossible to see the difference, then sell it as the real art, that to me is going to far :)
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
The lines have blurred a little for me with the advent of the 3-d printer. Also, counterfeiters, should they be automatically excluded as artists? I go back and forth in my head about that.

Counterfeiting, not art, it should be original.

I was a 3d artist so am perhaps a little biased on 3d printing. We use the process to visualise work that would only ever be seen on a 2d screen. Some of those samplers could definitely be seen as artwork.
 

dybmh

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OK... how 'bout this:

Snoopy. A common somewhat predictable comic strip character... or... the catalyst for "shockingly heated arguments over how to survive and still be a decent human being in a bitter world"? Was Charles Schultz an artist? Was he making art? I'm not sure...

The Exemplary Narcissism of Snoopy
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
OK... how 'bout this:

Snoopy. A common somewhat predictable comic strip character... or... the catalyst for "shockingly heated arguments over how to survive and still be a decent human being in a bitter world"? Was Charles Schultz an artist? Was he making art? I'm not sure...

The Exemplary Narcissism of Snoopy


Comic art is a separate genre all to itself which is considered art by some. And some people will pay dearly for original work

Snoopy Original Art For Sale
 

dybmh

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Comic art is a separate genre all to itself
I think comic art is a good example where the artist's intention and desire to express themselves is greatly diminished from the valuation/label: this is art.

@PureX , If you don't mind the question, when you provided your definition/POV on what is art, was it only for visual arts? Do the parameters change, in your opinion, for performing arts? What about improv comedy, for example?
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Another example for @PureX:

High fashion, how do you feel about it? Does the designer's executed intention determine whether or not the product is art and the designer an artist? The reason I ask is because, in this genre, there should be, imho, room for the happy accident to be considered art even if it did not faithfully represent the creator's vision.

@SalixIncendium , what's your POV on all this? Do you have an opinion on what is and isn't art?
 
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