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I'm thinking about a PC. Want to critique?

PoetPhilosopher

PoetPhilosopher

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The listed RAM is actually 16GB. Two 8GB sticks.

The reason why I added a liquid CPU cooler is in case I feel the PC isn't fast enough and want to overclock, I won't have burned my bridges more and won't have to hook up an All-in-one liquid cooler myself.
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

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Id go for a better rated psu, 700/750 watt minimum, not much extra money.
 
Debater Slayer

Debater Slayer

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- Ryzen 3000 CPUs have minimal headroom for manual overclocking, with real-world performance gains often maxing out at 5% (if that) or thereabouts in many benchmarks. You'd be better off and a bit safer going with a reliable air cooler instead of liquid and letting the chip's automatic boosting feature do its work without manual tinkering with clock speeds.

- The PSU capacity isn't very expandable. I would go for at least a 550-600W PSU instead and make sure it is a reliable model because a bad PSU can take down much more expensive components with it in case of failure.

- Instead of this Ryzen APU, you can opt for the Ryzen 1600 AF--which is essentially the same as the Ryzen 2600--and get a dedicated GPU for better performance. However, depending on your use case, you may not need to do so. For light office work and web browsing, the 3400G APU should be very capable.

I will put together a build for you that costs similar to this one, but I need to know your use case first--whether it's gaming, rendering, office work, etc.
 
PoetPhilosopher

PoetPhilosopher

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Debater Slayer said:
- Ryzen 3000 CPUs have minimal headroom for manual overclocking, with real-world performance gains often maxing out at 5% (if that) or thereabouts in many benchmarks. You'd be better off and a bit safer going with a reliable air cooler instead of liquid and letting the chip's automatic boosting feature do its work without manual tinkering with clock speeds.

- The PSU capacity isn't very expandable. I would go for at least a 550-600W PSU instead and make sure it is a reliable model because a bad PSU can take down much more expensive components with it in case of failure.

- Instead of this Ryzen APU, you can opt for the Ryzen 1600 AF--which is essentially the same as the Ryzen 2600--and get a dedicated GPU for better performance. However, depending on your use case, you may not need to do so. For light office work and web browsing, the 3400G APU should be very capable.

I will put together a build for you that costs similar to this one, but I need to know your use case first--whether it's gaming, rendering, office work, etc.
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I like gaming, but might not use over a 1600x900 resolution monitor at this time.

Would mostly use it on Blender.
 
PoetPhilosopher

PoetPhilosopher

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Debater Slayer said:
Terrible PSU capacity and low RAM. Prebuilt PCs in general are a ripoff and tend to have major compromises, so I'd stay away from them unless you absolutely can't pick your own parts.
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I agree about pre-builts.

The MaximumPC pic was just a parts list to build one yourself.

And the OP was a configurator from Cybertron PC.
 
Debater Slayer

Debater Slayer

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Here's the build I put together. Better motherboard, a case with decent airflow, a good CPU, SSD storage, a much better and bigger PSU, a good CPU air cooler, and a GPU that can handle 60 FPS gaming on AAA games on medium-high settings at 1080p:

System Builder

This costs $80-$100 more than the build in your OP, but there's definitely room to save more money if you want. Let me know if so. The GPU can be turned down a notch if you don't need to game at 1080p/60 FPS on medium-high settings or don't play any AAA games.

Edit: The link didn't list the price of the CPU for some reason, but as I said, it's possible to make it cost less (down to around the same as the build in your OP, if you want) without needing any discounts or used parts depending on your usage. Discounts (like the ones at Micro Center) can save a lot more, too.
 
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PoetPhilosopher

PoetPhilosopher

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Debater Slayer said:
Here's the build I put together. Better motherboard, a case with decent airflow, a good CPU, SSD storage, a much better and bigger PSU, a good CPU air cooler, and a GPU that can handle 60 FPS gaming on AAA games on medium-high settings at 1080p:

System Builder

This costs the same as the build in your OP, but there's definitely room to save more money if you want. Let me know if so. The GPU can be turned down a notch if you don't need to game at 1080p/60 FPS on medium-high settings or don't play any AAA games.
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Not bad.

If anyone else goes with your parts list, I'll tell them to make sure they get the Ryzen 1600AF if they can. It's newer and better, almost a 2600.

I'll research some of the parts.
 
Debater Slayer

Debater Slayer

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KAT-KAT said:
Not bad.

If anyone else goes with your parts list, I'll tell them to make sure they get the Ryzen 1600AF if they can. It's newer and better, almost a 2600.

I'll research some of the parts.
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Yep, the AF part is important not to mess up the build. :p

I edited my post to account for a quirk in the website I linked, by the way.

One thing I think is worth noting here is that in builds around the $500-$800 range, relatively small bumps in costs can give significant performance gains. An example is the jump from the RX 580 to the GTX 1660 Super ($160-$180 vs. $230-$250). $70 more for that huge of a performance jump--60-70% in some cases--is a huge price-to-performance gain.
 
PoetPhilosopher

PoetPhilosopher

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icehorse said:
just out of curiosity, what OS(es?) will you be running?
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Windows 10 or Linux. I know my way around both.

If I'm not mistaken, most Linux games are indie though. So it might make sense to just go with an APU if using Linux, because maybe 5 games take proper advantage natively of a dedicated graphics card on Linux. There are workarounds though.

I may dual-boot eventually.
 
Etritonakin

Etritonakin

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KAT-KAT said:
The listed RAM is actually 16GB. Two 8GB sticks.

The reason why I added a liquid CPU cooler is in case I feel the PC isn't fast enough and want to overclock, I won't have burned my bridges more and won't have to hook up an All-in-one liquid cooler myself.
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I get the absolute best main components I can possibly afford -with the absolute best reviews... Power supply, motherboard, processor
AND I make sure thy are EASILY and INDIVIDUALLY returnable/replaceable.
It is frustrating and disappointing getting something that goes out quickly only to wait and jump through hoops for RMA/replacement part/return/refund, etc. -all while not being able to use your computer to do so!
It's also best to future-proof with the best gear to save money later.

I went through newegg exclusively for years and lucked out with no bad parts -but Amazon prime is just too convenient, so I switched.

You can always upgrade other things as you go along.
 
Milton Platt

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The listed RAM is actually 16GB. Two 8GB sticks.

The reason why I added a liquid CPU cooler is in case I feel the PC isn't fast enough and want to overclock, I won't have burned my bridges more and won't have to hook up an All-in-one liquid cooler myself.
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What is the intended primary purpose of the computer?
I have a ginormous box with glass on three sides, major programmable LED lighting, and liquid cooled CPU and GPU. That doesn't mean everyone should bankrupt themselves to build a computer, though. :p
 
atanu

atanu

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The listed RAM is actually 16GB. Two 8GB sticks.

The reason why I added a liquid CPU cooler is in case I feel the PC isn't fast enough and want to overclock, I won't have burned my bridges more and won't have to hook up an All-in-one liquid cooler myself.
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The listed RAM is actually 16GB. Two 8GB sticks.

The reason why I added a liquid CPU cooler is in case I feel the PC isn't fast enough and want to overclock, I won't have burned my bridges more and won't have to hook up an All-in-one liquid cooler myself.
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Depends on purpose. But if I were building for home, I would get more RAM, more storage, better processor and video RAM (did I miss it in your spec)?
 
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