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What did Jesus Say? For Discussion not Debate.

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
What do you think? What are the important lessons taught by Jesus?
Firstly Yehoshua/Yeshua taught that the name 'j+sēs' is a swear word in Hebrew, and that this world will corrupt everything said, as we're down near Hell.

The terminology sēs in Hebrew means a Grub/Beast that shall tear away or stample down; adding a yod in front of the name means, it +'shall do' these things.

Symbolically the real name Hosea had a Yod added, and became Yehoshua; adding a yod to sēs, it became 'jesus'.


Luke 12:33-34 Sell that which you have, and give gifts to the needy. Make for yourselves purses which don’t grow old, a treasure in the heavens that doesn’t fail, where no thief approaches, neither moth (sēs) destroys. (34) For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Matthew 7:6 “Don’t give that which is holy to the dogs, neither throw your pearls before the pigs, lest perhaps they 'trample them under their feet', and 'turn and tear you to pieces'.

Isaiah 51:8 For the moth will eat them up like a garment, and the grub (j+sēs - יסס) shall eat them like wool; but my righteousness will be forever, and my salvation (Yeshua) to all generations.


As we see Isaiah compares these concepts prophetically, and so the cryptology between Yehoshua, and Yeshayahu is like computer code, where it needs searching like any coding software would to show all symbolism.

The next most important lesson is not to go after imposters claiming to be Divine, whilst making huge "I Am" statements to assert that is Divinity, as it is fake.

Mark 13:5-6, Matthew 24:4-5, Luke 21:8 He said, “Watch out that you don’t get led astray, for many will come in my name, saying, "I Am (G1473 G1510)" and "The time is at hand". Therefore don’t follow them."

Next is that the whole world could be deceived to the exact opposite of what Yeshua challenged (Matthew 9:13, Hosea 6:6, Matthew 12:7), where he cut off Judah, because the Sanhedrin was saying that the murdering of the prophets counted as atoning sacrifices in Matthew 23:27-38, Mark 7:1-13, and the Parable of the Wicked Husbandman (Matthew 21:33-46, Mark 12:1-12, and Luke 20:9-19).

Thus the idea the world follows the exact opposite, proves that the Snare laid in Isaiah 8:11-22, making a Bed of Adultery (Isaiah 28:9-19) has happened to the letter, and people are to ignorant (blinded by Pharisaic oral traditions) to read the book for themselves as prophesied (Isaiah 29:9-14).
message was to "be nice"
Yeshua stated 'be as wise as serpents, gentle as doves' (Matthew 10:16), that isn't just being "nice"; that is 'sending out lambs among the wolves' (Luke 10:3), and saying make converts.

The most important factor in how to be unconditionally loving down near Hell, is to remove attachment to Self ("I Am") by hating "Self" (Luke 14:26), and loving the Source of reality with all mind, body, soul, and strength (Matthew 22:37-38), we are then imbued with life-force energy, which we can give to others (Matthew 22:39-40); rather than the other way around of trying to love Self, which is a form of idolatry, as no one can serve two masters - We either serve the Source of reality entirely, else we make idols somewhere down here near Hell (Matthew 6:24).

Like this is a world of delusions and desires, when we read Yeshua's contexts in them passages Taoist Dharmically ('The Way'), it makes so much more sense why Yeshua's disciples were originally called "Followers of the Way".

Do you know how you stated Joseph son of Jacob was given advanced knowledge to help his brothers, Yeshua son of Joseph was explaining advanced details about how to live a life of 0neness; yet people read it materialistically, and miss the point - it is the Keys to Heaven: where 'Wisdom is the Key, Unconditional love is the Answer'.
the rest was less significant.
Since Yeshua's parables, and statements are like advanced computer code, interlinking with the world's religions, where each statement can be seen cryptically, it has taught me to always go the extra mile in all action, as that is key to enlightenment, instead of limitation (Matthew 5:38-48).

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
A computer code is encoded by whoever in a human life encodes it by thinking and applying machine strategic conditions.

The machine in reality owns no form or self volition, cannot operate by any volition and needs a human designer.

The human, the thinker of all concepts first...just in mind.

Then he physically manipulates the physical mass of natural...converts it, then uses it.

The radiation/radio waves that life was not getting, then gets pulsed through all the bodies...what his machine owned and operated by a human being male does.

Not by machine volition...but by the owner/operator human being selves.

No human living, no code...every state natural in the vastness of its natural forms...not any code.

A human has to be their own human self living consciously to apply thinking to impose a coded reference, just for the human thinking and study ability to say....learn, study, research, apply and then teach.

Therefore in rationality, if you did not apply any form study about particular information that is shared in creation in a multi variation of such and such has something that a human has also. And then some other body has something a human has also.

Only known by humans applying the research.

Seeing a human said by imposing the status...I am A God, for you cannot say that you are THE God...when you said God O was mass and energy and a very large stone planet, named Earth.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
That's nice. I was just discussing a couple of things from Daniel, and realized how much of it took place in the Persian area. But Samuel was different. However, there's always something to learn. Now I'll try to look at Samuel a bit. :)
I've read Daniel a few times. But, my preference is for Jewish commentary.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
This is a really interesting verse... thank you for bringing it.
You're welcome, I did write a post on Selflessness that Christ taught, that has been mistranslated; Zoe in Greek is 'Life', Psyche is clearly 'Self'.
I didn't see that in these verses...
This takes deep meditation on what is being stated: if all reality comes from the Source, and we're evil down near Hell (Takers), and yet it gives us everything still (Matthew 7:11); to be near to Godly is to become unconditionally Giving the same.

Matthew 22:37-40 is one sentence: First love the Source with all energy, then through this energy, love your neighbour.

Everything comes from the Source of reality; yet matter corrupts the purity, so only by connecting to something incorruptible, do we get closer to being a light unto many.

Imagine we're inside the Matrix, connecting to the CPU is the only thing that is pure; the Matrix/Maya is a place of delusions, and desires.

If we reflect with someone, most serve their desires first, and most of these are delusional in some way; whereas the Source is 100% maths, and its desire is for us to reach for perfection.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
Why couldn't it be recorded? I reckon John was penning his words as they were spoken.

John is a most interesting Gospel as it contains many details about Jesus not found in the synoptic Gospels;
that Jesus took part in a baptizing ministry, before changing to one of preaching and signs, that his public ministry lasted for several years, that he traveled to Jerusalem for festivals meeting serious opposition long before his death on the day of Passover. There is a strong argument that the Johannine tradition itself does rest on the testimony of an eyewitness. But this does not discount the highly developed theology of the author. Also interesting in Jn he makes little of no mention of the Apostles. While this Gospel is the only who names the author, who is this 'beloved' disciple? And unique to John is the concept of the 'Paraclete'.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
John is a most interesting Gospel as it contains many details about Jesus not found in the synoptic Gospels;
that Jesus took part in a baptizing ministry, before changing to one of preaching and signs, that his public ministry lasted for several years, that he traveled to Jerusalem for festivals meeting serious opposition long before his death on the day of Passover. There is a strong argument that the Johannine tradition itself does rest on the testimony of an eyewitness. But this does not discount the highly developed theology of the author. Also interesting in Jn he makes little of no mention of the Apostles. While this Gospel is the only who names the author, who is this 'beloved' disciple? And unique to John is the concept of the 'Paraclete'.

This "baptizing ministry" sounds odd. Baptism is an integral part of the Christian experience.
At Antioch the disciples found the last of John the Baptist's disciples - and they had to be
baptized into Jesus' church.
I am wary of this "developed theology" if it isn't what Jesus gave his church.
I am sure that the "one who Jesus loved" was John. He didn't make an issue of that. Maybe
he even thought that no-one would pick up that it was himself.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I've read Daniel a few times. But, my preference is for Jewish commentary.
I've read much of Jewish commentary. One time I even tried reading the Talmud, I didn't get very far, but I used to live in Brooklyn and there were public libraries that contained these things. There were Jewish religious radio stations that I would listen to, and they would discuss Talmud and other complicated stuff. (Which is what Jesus spoke about in a way -- in other words, opinions of rabbis, teachers, etc. and how they might have differed from scripture.) There are two Talmuds, one Babylonian. The Jewish Encyclopedia has much commentary and information.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
I've read Daniel a few times. But, my preference is for Jewish commentary.

Regards the verses concerning the Messiah - how do the Jews explain this?
I refer to the Messiah as the Redeemer, the one "cut off" for His people.
The Jewish Messiah is a kingly figure who "cuts off" his enemies.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Regards the verses concerning the Messiah - how do the Jews explain this?
I refer to the Messiah as the Redeemer, the one "cut off" for His people.
The Jewish Messiah is a kingly figure who "cuts off" his enemies.
There's a lot of commentary about it. But in general, in Judaism, the verses which are deemed messianic are far fewer that than the verses that are deemed to be messianic for followers/believers in Jesus Christ. Another important distinction, in Judaism, Daniel is not a prophet. So the visions remain as a mystery, and the textual descriptions of the imagery in the dreams are not given the the same literal credibility as other messianic prophecies and verses in the Tanach.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
There's a lot of commentary about it. But in general, in Judaism, the verses which are deemed messianic are far fewer that than the verses that are deemed to be messianic for followers/believers in Jesus Christ. Another important distinction, in Judaism, Daniel is not a prophet. So the visions remain as a mystery, and the textual descriptions of the imagery in the dreams are not given the the same literal credibility as other messianic prophecies and verses in the Tanach.

A Prophet is one who prophecies.
You could say that Elijah was a "prophet" because it appeared to be his
"full time" job, but what then when King David writes of the Messiah in a
more substantial way? Or the same for Moses, Job or even Jacob?
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
A Prophet is one who prophecies.
You could say that Elijah was a "prophet" because it appeared to be his
"full time" job, but what then when King David writes of the Messiah in a
more substantial way? Or the same for Moses, Job or even Jacob?
Right. Daniel was a dream interpreter, and a seer, a Torah observant jew, but not a prophet according to the text. If I recall, the other examples of prophecy are introduced clearly, paraphrasing, "
Prophecy rested on so and so" or the passages say that God is speaking specifically. That doesn't happen in the book of Daniel. But, I should point out, that these differences in opinion about who Daniel was and what Daniel was saying are some of the most important distinctions between Christianity and Judaism. These things have been debated for centuries.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
Right. Daniel was a dream interpreter, and a seer, a Torah observant jew, but not a prophet according to the text. If I recall, the other examples of prophecy are introduced clearly, paraphrasing, "
Prophecy rested on so and so" or the passages say that God is speaking specifically. That doesn't happen in the book of Daniel. But, I should point out, that these differences in opinion about who Daniel was and what Daniel was saying are some of the most important distinctions between Christianity and Judaism. These things have been debated for centuries.

Daniel was a "dream interpreter"
but what does that mean, really? I think it means that God gave Daniel the gift of
this, as He did with Joseph. And the dreams proved true - so if Daniel "dreams"
of the suffering Messiah then I take it that it's true.
Also, many of the "dreams" did not come from Daniel but from the angel sent
from God.
People arguing over whether Daniel was a "prophet" or not on some dry
technicality of what a "prophet" is supposed to be smacks of intellectual
snobbery.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Daniel was a "dream interpreter"
but what does that mean, really? I think it means that God gave Daniel the gift of
this, as He did with Joseph. And the dreams proved true - so if Daniel "dreams"
of the suffering Messiah then I take it that it's true.
Also, many of the "dreams" did not come from Daniel but from the angel sent
from God.
People arguing over whether Daniel was a "prophet" or not on some dry
technicality of what a "prophet" is supposed to be smacks of intellectual
snobbery.
It's just different.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
It's just different.

It could be that Daniel was "demoted" from Prophet Status because he
spoke of the Messiah in terms of one who would die "not for himself"
instead of coming as a king.
This is why Jesus was rejected, mostly. He was just too minor a figure
to be taken notice of.
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
What is most significant?
What is most memorable?
Are there common themes to the verses in red?

Note: I literally have no idea... Excluding sermon on the mount; I am completely ignorant of this subject matter.
I'm guessing it is entirely up to personal interpretation???
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment.

God said to be the stone. If we do not honour the planet, we do not honour life.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
There's a lot of commentary about it. But in general, in Judaism, the verses which are deemed messianic are far fewer that than the verses that are deemed to be messianic for followers/believers in Jesus Christ.
Another important distinction, in Judaism, Daniel is not a prophet. So the visions remain as a mystery, and the textual descriptions of the imagery in the dreams are not given the the same literal credibility as other messianic prophecies and verses in the Tanach.
Well, you make some interesting comments here. It's late now, I will try to get back to this soon, but I'd like to examine a few points you made. Have a good evening, keep safe, and don't believe those who say it's ok to get together in large groups now. :) Be careful. And look forward to the time that justice and righteousness will fill the earth. (Isaiah 65:17)
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment.

God said to be the stone. If we do not honour the planet, we do not honour life.
I would think that is true. But unfortunately, due to greed and commercialism, it is impossible to straighten things out. That is why God promises new heavens and new earth where righteousness dwells. Entirely. Obviously this can only come from Him. Mankind is not capable of bringing these changes about. Looking at plastic bags in the ocean is enough to realize this. And pollution.
Check out Revelation 21:1-5.
 
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