Please show the scripture where God tells it is more important day than others?
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7th day of rest
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Please show the scripture where God tells it is more important day than others?
A Vestigial Mote
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So, do you literally think that "the Earth rotates around the sun" each day? Is that part of your accepted body of knowledge? That's what it seems you have written here (red above), and it is in need of some correction. A "day" is one full revolution of the Earth spinning on its axis. A "year" is actually what you referenced - that is, the time it takes for the Earth to make one full trip in orbit around the sun. Two separate spins/circles. Two separate amounts of time taken for each.
shmogie
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For the Jews, Genesis, Leviticus, Deuteronomy.
I was speaking in general about using human reason as to what is important, rather than what God says.
shmogie
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Were gentiles not expected to follow certain laws for Jews when in Jerusalem or Judea?Small interjection.
That is incorrect. Judaism doesn't have an agenda to convert the whole world. For gentiles, there are the seven Noahide commandments, always have been (at least since the time of Noah). There was even a section of the Temple Mount that gentiles were allowed to go to in order to worship God. They could even send in sacrifices to be sacrificed in the Temple (although, unlike Jews, they were allowed to build external altars and sacrifice whenever they felt like it).
Carry on.
Those commandments you speak of, weren't they designed to bring the gentile into compliance with a form of Jewish worship, for the God revealed to Israel?
Yes. Emphasis on "a form" - you previously stated that prior to Christianity (and in Judaism, regardless of Christianity or any other religion), to worship God, a gentile had to convert. That is incorrect. Noahidism does not require conversion, but merely the willingness to follow those seven commandments, according to the Jewish way.
shmogie
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I stand corrected.
My point was that the Jewish faith determined what a non Jew must do to worship the God of the Jews.
I am not sure a Hittite could simply decide to worship YHWH, and then follow his own way of doing it.
I guess it depends what you mean by 'his own way.'
There are seven laws in theory, but 30+ in practice, none of which are really hard to figure or abide. Essentially,
1. Worship G-d.
No idols.
2. Do not blaspheme and curse G-d, your Maker.
3. Do not murder.
4. Do not commit sexual iniquity.
5. Do not steal.
6. Do not abuse animals.
7. Set up law courts.
Now these are vague, but enumerated upon; so, under theft for instance, means you have to pay a worker his wages; do not kidnap or rape (theft of a person; of a person's dignity). You understand the logic here.
However, as for saying blessings over food, sights, nature, and so on, one is not commanded what to say, if anything. One could recite a simple blessing of his own. One is free, if he is a ruler, to make rules considered sensible, such as no public nudity, no selling babies, and so on. One is free to make his own culture, so to speak, whilst observing the 7 categories of laws. According to the Torah, non-Jews could worship G-d and become exceptionally righteous, such as Job, Enoch, Noach and Abraham. This didn't change after the Torah at Mt Sinai. You recall Yonah being sent to Nineveh to chastise them; they repented and G-d forgave them, then they went on with their Ninevite lives. I think it is perfectly possible to make one's way his own; within reason of course.
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shmogie
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Under the sacrificial system, as originally designed, could the gentile somehow have atonement?
Since I am am Christian, I do not see Rabbinical Judaism as the religion God originally established.
So, I am most interested in how Gentiles could interact with the Judaism of that time.
There was the day of atonement, and sacrifices, but I don't know how a gentile could fit in to it.
Yes. He can make his own sacrifice (still can, in fact, if he wants).
shmogie
Well-Known Member
Thanks
pingpongpal
New Member
There are many eighths in the Old Testament: circumcised on the eighth day, the eighth day of the feast. The eighth-day theology says that God created the heavens and the earth in 6 literal days and then rested on the 7th day. Then Jesus rose on the first day of the week which in a sense is the eighth day which is the day of recreation. In other words, Jesus is remaking the earth from the curse. The curse was pain in childbirth, weeds and thistles, hard labor for food, and death. Now we have epidurals, herbicides, and John Deere tractors to mitigate the curse. The earth is being redeemed by technology which really comes from God according to Ps. 147:5 Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite. If the Bible says God has infinite knowledge, then I believe that it follows that any technology we have comes from Him.
The reason we rest on one day a week is because according to the Bible God designed us so He knows what we need, one rest day per seven. During the French revolution, the French thought people could get more work done in 10 days instead of seven. The horses died in the streets and the insane asylums started filling up.I believe God knows what we need and wants us to enjoy our lives.
Your problem is that Yeshua didn't rise on the 1st day of the week. When Mary went to the tomb, at the end of the Sabbath, which occurs around 6:00 PM on "Saturday", which is when the 1st day of the week dawns/begins, the tomb was already empty. (Mt 28:1) Pain in child birth still exists for the majority of women in the world and intervention procedures often put the child at risk. Hard labor still exist in providing food. Herbicides and pesticides can cause many medical problems for the farmers and the eaters of the food. Getting parts for a John Deere tractor can sometimes be a curse in itself. Financing a large farm John Deere tractor can be a curse in itself. There is no "eighth day of the feast". There is a 7 day feast of booths, and a following "last great day", referred in Lev 22 as the 8th day. They are not part of the same feast. The feast of booths portrays the subjugation of the nations (Zechariah 14) after the "tribulation", which precedes the millennium, whereas the "Last Great Day" portrays the period after the millennium when day and night is no longer the norm, whereas there is a new heaven and earth, and Jerusalem will be lit by the glory of God, and there will be no "night there" (Rev 21:25).
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Foreigners who "join themselves to the LORD" are proselytes, converts. Proselytes are, indeed, expected to keep the Shabbat. That is not the same for non-Jews who have not converted to Judaism.
As I said before, Constantine simply did what was best for his empire -- both Christians and Pagans were ALREADY worshiping on the first day of the week, so he made it a public day off. He himself was not a pagan. Although he was not baptized until close to his death, his clear preference was for Christianity--he simply believed he could not pragmatically rule as an emperor if he were a Christian.
But Christians had been worshiping on Sunday since the first century (the Lord's day). Not only was it a way to celebrate the resurrection, but it was also a way for the second century Gentile church to say, "we are NOT Jews, and this is NOT Judaism."
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Actually, the apostles chosen by Yeshua were Jewish and kept the Jewish law. As for your Pauline Christians, when confronted by the apostles, even Paul kept Jewish law and circumcised his young male friend. As for Constantine, his goal was unification of his empire, and apparently, according to his historian, who was the also the church historian, Eusebius, Constantine was baptized on his death bed. Being as Eusebius was quoted as saying that he wrote to put the church in the best of lights, and truth was apparently not of highest value, and his partial excommunication in 325 for his Arian position put him at odds with the final verdict of the Roman church. According to Constantine's minting of Roman coins, his god was Sol Invictus, and his banner carried the pagan image given to him at the battle of Milvian Bridge by Sol Invictus. If indeed Constantine was even baptized, which I doubt, his baptizer would probably have been by the Arian Eusebius. The "Christian" in Constantine's family was his mother, he remained head of the pagan church as well as the Roman Christian church. The Nicene based Roman Christian church was not made official until 367 AD under another emperor.
I"m not sure how much gentiles were theoretically 'supposed' to interact with Jews around them, other than being friendly neighbors. I think the answer to this goes back to why gentiles aren't expected to all convert into Judaism - because every sort of person adds a special flavor to the world, and so does every nation in itself, and the world in its entirety serves God together - each in their own way - "...many peoples and mighty nations shall come to seek the LORD of hosts in Jerusalem, and to entreat the favour of the LORD." - many nations, remaining as they are - separate nations, but united in worship of God.
Unveiled Artist
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What in the world are you talking about?
Why is saturday or sunday important when day and night to the earth is continuous not in 7 block sets?
A Vestigial Mote
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You apparently need to re-read your own original post. In it you seem to be likening a "day" to the Earth rotating around the sun. You made a huge faux pas and apparently don't even realize it. I understand why you'd like to paint me as the confused one here, but seriously... read back over your OP. You literally liken "the 7th time the Earth rotates around the sun" to the period of a day. The Earth making a full rotation around the sun is a YEAR, not a day. The day/night cycle is caused by the spinning of the Earth on its own axis, and has very little to do with revolution around the sun. Read. Comprehend. Get your thoughts straight... and don't blame me for your own mistakes.