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is Jesus an Allegory for the Sun?
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Unveiled Artist
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Every religion is unique. Buddhist don't worship the sun neither does jesus; but, they are totally different religions.
That and jesus was a human being. If anything, god would be seen as the sun not jesus. The sun gives life and without it, we would be dead. We experience energy and wellbeing by the sun. But, it's because jesus is a human being. Would you see another human being as the sun?
Right, but it is an allegory of the sun, it is the human version of one
Unveiled Artist
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It's not the sun if it's human. Both are different, right???
Augustus
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He can be if you want, it's not the standard view or the historical one, but you get to choose whatever seems most appealing to you.
Christianity incorporated aspects of solar symbolism in its traditions that share some commonalities with pre-Christian belief systems. That doesn't make his role in Christianity purely an allegory of the sun though.
PearlSeeker
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Wouldn't it be better: the sun is an allegory for Messiah, truth, love, realization....?
Jesus — The Sun. Comparative Religion shows that all the ancient religions were forms of sun worship. The story of Jesus is just another allegorical personification of the sun as will be shown here.
Herod — Night; Darkness. We have seen in the lecture on Night how Darkness is the original evil. The ancient religious stories personified the evil Darkness and gave it names. In this case the name for Darkness is Herod.
Darkness reigns supreme at night until overpowered by the rising sun in the morning. The sun rising in the morning is figuratively a form of the sun being born. Just before the sun rises all the stars disappear. Figuratively this is Darkness trying to save itself by killing all the stars. What better way to keep things dark than to kill all those little points of light. But Darkness fails to kill the sun. The sun rises, overpowering the Darkness, the darkness dies, and its reign is ended.
There is no historical record of this mass infanticide slaughter ever actually happening or being ordered. It never really happened on Earth. Our whole story takes place in the starry night sky. Paul says, "For our conversation is in heaven [i.e. the stars above] from whence also we look for the Saviour [the Sun], the Lord Jesus Christ." (Philippians 3:20)
The Three Magi or Wise Men — The three bright stars in the belt of Orion, which rise in the East just as the Sun sets in the West. These three stars travel across the sky at night and eventually set in the West at dawn. It's as if the stars were following the Sun, looking for it.
Bethlehem — Literally "house of bread", referring to the zodiac house of Virgo the eternal celestial virgin.
Star of Bethlehem — planet Venus, which is always seen near the sun.
Joseph — the constellation Bootes, which is next to Virgo, the virgin.
I guess?
Ancient cultures ate various forms of flatbread. Why cant pancakes be just that?
it is, pancakes are like that
lukethethird
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Jesus is a wafer taken with wine, but he could be the sun, depends on what you're into.
he parreles with the sun in ancient times are stagerring
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Because he's just not. Christians don't worship the Sun. 'Nuff said.
John 8:12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world." (The "light of the world" is the Sun.)
John 9:5 While I am in the world, I am the light of the world. (The "light of the world" is the Sun.)
Matthew 4:16 The people living in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has dawned." (The light is the Sun)
Matthew 17:2 His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light.
John 1:3-8 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. (Without the Sun nothing would grow and we'd all be dead.) In him was life, and that life was the light of men. (The light is the Sun.) The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it (the Sun removes the darkness). There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. He [John] came as a witness to testify concerning that light (the Sun), so that through him all men might believe. He [John] himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light. The true light (the Sun) that gives light to every man was coming into the world.
John 3:19-20 This is the verdict: Light (the Sun) has come into the world, but men loved darkness (night time) instead of light (the Sun) because their deeds were evil (criminals do their crimes at night). Everyone who does evil hates the light (the Sun), and will not come into the light (the Sun) for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
John 12:35-36 Then Jesus told them, "You are going to have the light (the light is the Sun) just a little while longer (the Sun will set soon). Walk while you have the light (the light is the Sun), before darkness (night time) overtakes you. The man who walks in the dark (at night) does not know where he is going. Put your trust in the light (the light is the Sun) while you have it, so that you may become sons of light." When he had finished speaking, Jesus left and hid himself from them (i.e. the sun set, because Jesus is the Sun).
John 12:46 I have come into the world as a light (the Sun), so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.
Ephesians 5:14 Christ (the Sun) will shine on you.
Philippians 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven (the celestial sphere above); from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ (the Sun). (i.e. we should look upwards to the celestial sphere above to find our story.)
Colossians 3:2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things.
Luke 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. (i.e. the story is about the passage of the year.)
The Old Testament also talks about God as being the Sun
Psalms 84:11 "the Lord God is a sun..."
Deuteronomy 4:24 "For the LORD your God is a consuming fire," (the Sun is a consuming fire.)
Malachi 4:2 "the Sun of Righteousness..."
Scriptures Which Suggest Jesus is the Sun
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
The verses in the Bible that talk about light are referring to SPIRITUAL light, aka truth. Not a literal light like the sun. Even your verse from Malachi that you quoted is using the Sun as a metaphor for spiritual righteousness. It is not talking about the literal sun.
Please, you are making a gross error. And one which is obvious to virtually everyone.
Ancient People Looked At The Stars
In ancient times people were very familiar with the Sun and the stars. At night they had nothing better to do than gaze up at the stars. They didn't conquer darkness with the flip of a light switch like we do nowadays. When sunset came that was it—that was the end of the day. They observed how the stars move across the sky during the night, and how different constellations are visible at different times of the year.
They made up stories which were allegories based on what they saw. Later on, these stories took on a life of their own, as the stories were passed down from generation to generation but the knowledge of what the stories represented was lost. People started believing the stories were real and actual history of events that actually really happened in the past, when originally the stories were nothing more than allegories for what people saw happening in the stars.
It's not surprising in our present culture of digital watches and wall calendars that we've lost the original astronomical meaning of these Bible stories. Today most people never look at the stars or pay any attention to the position of the sun in the sky.
Our Story Takes Place In Heaven
“For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.” Philippians 3:20
Heaven has always been up. Hell has always been down. Heaven and Hell are not just theologically opposite, they are geometrically opposite. Heaven above; Hell below.
Go outside at night and look up. You are literally looking at heaven. And what do you see? You see all the stars, which make up all the constellations. The Jesus Story takes place not on earth, but in the starry night sky above.
And that is the solution to the conundrum. That is the secret to understanding the Jesus story. The entire story of Jesus’ travels during his one year ministry is an allegory for the yearly journey of the Sun through the twelve zodiac constellations and the passage of the seasons of the year.
I will now explain how this is so.
Sunset—Best Time To Observe The Stars
Just after sunset is a good time to note the position of the Sun relative to the stars. The stars become visible just after sunset. You know the Sun is just below the horizon, so you can get a good idea of where the Sun is relative to the celestial sphere of stars.
At right we see the Sun begins in Capricorn on December 22. (All dates are for “Biblical Times”, around the first or second century AD, when the Jesus Story was written. In our present age you have to wait until January 18 to see what they saw on December 22, due to the earth’s precession. See Lesson on Earth's Precession). Note how each day at sunset Capricorn gets lower and lower until it is completely below the horizon. The Sun appears to travel upwards along the ecliptic through Capricorn towards Aquarius. Aquarius is where the Jesus Story begins. In January/February the Sun travels through Aquarius, the water bearer, because it's the rainy season—and in the Jesus Story we have Jesus visiting John the Baptist, who baptizes with water.
The Jesus Story Begins With John The Baptist (Aquarius)
January Sunset. The Sun is just below the horizon. The Sun is in Aquarius, currently halfway below the horizon. Pisces, the two fish, are above. As the month progresses Aquarius will appear lower and lower at sunset, until it is completely below the horizon, and Pisces will be on the horizon.
Actually Aquarius doesn't look anything like a man holding a pitcher of water. The constellation has more to do with what time of year it is and the significance of what is happening at that time of year. The rest is just an imaginative connecting of the dots to draw a picture of what you've already decided should be there in that part of the sky. (See The Constellations Don't Look Like What They're Named)
In January it is traditional in church to start reading through one of the Gospels depicting the life of Jesus. The Jesus story always begins with Jesus visiting John the Baptist, who baptizes with water. (Mark 1:1-13; Matthew 3; Luke 3) And that is the beginning of the allegory. Jesus is a personification of the Sun; John the Baptist is a personification of Aquarius. Jesus [the Sun], visits John the Baptist [Aquarius].
February Sunset. One month later. The Sun is now in Pisces. Aquarius is now below the horizon.
The Players
Jesus — The Sun. Comparative Religion shows that all the ancient religions were forms of sun worship. The story of Jesus is just another allegorical personification of the sun as will be shown here.
Herod — Night; Darkness. We have seen in the lecture on Night how Darkness is the original evil. The ancient religious stories personified the evil Darkness and gave it names. In this case the name for Darkness is Herod.
Darkness reigns supreme at night until overpowered by the rising sun in the morning. The sun rising in the morning is figuratively a form of the sun being born. Just before the sun rises all the stars disappear. Figuratively this is Darkness trying to save itself by killing all the stars. What better way to keep things dark than to kill all those little points of light. But Darkness fails to kill the sun. The sun rises, overpowering the Darkness, the darkness dies, and its reign is ended.
There is no historical record of this mass infanticide slaughter ever actually happening or being ordered. It never really happened on Earth. Our whole story takes place in the starry night sky. Paul says, "For our conversation is in heaven [i.e. the stars above] from whence also we look for the Saviour [the Sun], the Lord Jesus Christ." (Philippians 3:20)
The Three Magi or Wise Men — The three bright stars in the belt of Orion, which rise in the East just as the Sun sets in the West. These three stars travel across the sky at night and eventually set in the West at dawn. It's as if the stars were following the Sun, looking for it.
Bethlehem — Literally "house of bread", referring to the zodiac house of Virgo the eternal celestial virgin.
Star of Bethlehem — planet Venus, which is always seen near the sun.
Joseph — the constellation Bootes, which is next to Virgo, the virgin.
SYNOPSIS
Our story takes place every night after September 23, the Autumn Equinox, when the Sun moves out of Virgo the celestial virgin. After the Sun sets the three bright stars in the belt of Orion rise in the east, slightly south of due east. They travel across the sky during the night, towards where the sun set. They set slightly south of due west, near where the Sun set the evening before.
During the last quarter of the year you will see this story repeated each night. On September 23 (the Autumn Equinox) these three bright stars rise in the east around 11PM. By December 1 these three stars rise in the east around 7PM, just around Sunset. This is probably the best time for this story, as the stars will travel all the way across the night sky and set in the west just before sunrise.
Here now is my annotated explanation of Matthew Chapter 2 — The birth of Jesus. (The rest of the Jesus Story can be similarly annotated, which I am working on. Indeed the rest of the Bible can be similarly annotated, which I am working on.)
MATTHEW 2
THE VISIT OF THE MAGI
After Jesus [the Sun] was born in Bethlehem [literally "house of bread". The zodiac house of Virgo. Thus "After the sun has moved out of Virgo"] in Judea during the time of King Herod [during the night], Magi from the east [the three stars in the belt of Orion which rise in the east] came to Jerusalem [the starry night sky] and asked, "Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? [where is the Sun?] We saw his star [the Sun's "star" is the bright planet Venus, which is always seen near the Sun] when it rose in the east [the Sun and its star always rise in the east] and have come to worship him." [Since Jesus is a personification of the Sun this shows the whole religion was originally about Sun worship.]
When King Herod [night] heard this he was disturbed, [night is worried there is a Sun that will rise (be born) and conquer him.] and all Jerusalem with him. When he had called together all the people's chief priests and teachers of the law, he asked them where the Christ [the Sun] was to be born. [Note the use of the word "Christ" here to refer to Jesus. This betrays the late origin of the text.] "In Bethlehem in Judea," they replied, "for this is what the prophet has written:
[Following is a garbled quote of Micah 5:2 This is an attempt to tie this new story with the established Jewish stories, which are also astrological. However, the quote isn't exact, indicating the writer isn't familiar with the original Hebrew but is instead using a poor Greek translation of the original Hebrew. (Note that Judah is not the same as Judea.)]
"But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah,
are by no means least among the rulers of Judah;
for out of you will come a ruler
who will be the shepherd of my people Israel."
Then Herod [night] called the Magi [astronomers] secretly and found out from them the exact time the star [Venus] had appeared. He sent them to Bethlehem [the house of Virgo] and said, "Go and make a careful search for the child [see if the Sun is in Virgo]. As soon as you find him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him."
After they had heard the king, they went on their way, and the star they had seen in the east went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was [the Sun rises in the east, and sets in the west]. When they saw the star, they were overjoyed [seeing the Sun is always nice]. On coming to the house [the zodiac house of Virgo], they saw the child [the Sun] with his mother Mary [Virgo], and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold and of frankincense and of myrrh. [Gold is bright and shiny like the Sun. The scent of frankincense when burned was considered by the ancient people to be evidence of God on Earth.] And having been warned in a dream not to go back to Herod, they returned to their country by another route. [The three bright stars in the belt of Orion return to their starting point by setting in the west and going under the earth back to their starting point, thus returning by another route.]
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MonkeyFire
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Jesus' element is air and wind for his passive non-violence. Hope is represented by the sun.
Hope, you mean faith??
