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Why Was Jesus Crucified?

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Why was Jesus crucified? Was it because he claimed to be divine? Was it because he was seen as a political threat to the powers that be? Was it because he claimed to be the Jewish Messiah? Precisely what was the reason?
 

!Fluffy!

Lacking Common Sense
IESVS NAZARENVS REX IVDAEORVM

INRI: Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews was the placard placed on the cross by Pilate.

In the Gospel of John (19:19–20) the inscription is explained:
And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS. This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin. (King James Version)


Pilate's only official 'out' in granting this crucifixion to the Jewish leadership was the claim to insurgency. The Jews of course wanted to kill him because He claimed to be the Son of God, the worst form of heresy for them.
 

Hacker

Well-Known Member
Moon Woman said:
The Jews of course wanted to kill him because He claimed to be the Son of God, the worst form of heresy for them.
If the Jews didn't kill or "crucify him, would our sins still be forgiven today? I thought Jesus died for our sins, what if the crucifiction didn't happen?
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
tlcmel said:
If the Jews didn't kill or "crucify him, would our sins still be forgiven today? I thought Jesus died for our sins, what if the crucifiction didn't happen?

Yes, but what reason did people have to crucify him? Surely, you're not suggesting that the Jews wanted him crucified so he could die for our sins?
 

!Fluffy!

Lacking Common Sense
tlcmel said:
If the Jews didn't kill or "crucify him, would our sins still be forgiven today? I thought Jesus died for our sins, what if the crucifiction didn't happen?

It may just be that it's really late here, but I don't see what any of this has to do with Phil's questions.
 

robtex

Veteran Member
Sunstone said:
Yes, but what reason did people have to crucify him? Surely, you're not suggesting that the Jews wanted him crucified so he could die for our sins?

um..you means romans. The romans crucified him as opposed to the Jews.
 

Comprehend

Res Ipsa Loquitur
I remember a number of times where Jesus did or said something and then somebody would want to kill him. One such instance is in John 6 when Christ says that he is manna from heaven and said he could give them eternal life. Then in John 7:1 it says after that the Jews wanted to kill him.

I think it is probably a combination of the reasons you listed there. I am sure the religious leaders did not like Jesus performing miracles and embarrasing them, challenging their authority and claiming to be the Son of God. When Jesus healed the man in Mat. 9 they said he was blaspheming because he claimed to forgive the mans sins, but it seems like the thing that really ticked them off was when he claimed to be the messiah. Luke 4:28 after Christ had said that he just fulfilled scripture while reading in the synagogue, they wanted to grab him and throw him off a cliff.

Luke 4
28 And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,
29 And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.
 

Hacker

Well-Known Member
Moon Woman said:
It may just be that it's really late here, but I don't see what any of this has to do with Phil's questions.
Sure it does, I was questioning the reasoning in regards to Jesus's crucifiction based on what mainstream Christianity believes and was just anticipating your view on it, that's all. Your right, it is late, and my eyes are starting to get heavy.;)
 

Comprehend

Res Ipsa Loquitur
tlcmel said:
If the Jews didn't kill or "crucify him, would our sins still be forgiven today? I thought Jesus died for our sins, what if the crucifiction didn't happen?

well, yeah. but the romans only did it because the Jewish leaders asked for it. So if you wanted to ask why Jesus was cricified by the romans, the answer would be because the Jewish leaders wanted it done. Then you would ask, well why did the Jewish leaders want it done... and we would get back to looking at the reasons the Jews had.
 

Hacker

Well-Known Member
comprehend said:
well, yeah. but the romans only did it because the Jewish leaders asked for it. So if you wanted to ask why Jesus was cricified by the romans, the answer would be because the Jewish leaders wanted it done. Then you would ask, well why did the Jewish leaders want it done... and we would get back to looking at the reasons the Jews had.
Ultimately the result was a sacrifice for our sins right?
 

Comprehend

Res Ipsa Loquitur
tlcmel said:
Ultimately the result was a sacrifice for our sins right?

Yes (I believe) but I thought sunstone was asking what the motivation was of those who killed him, not the motivation of Him who sent Him.
 

Hacker

Well-Known Member
comprehend said:
Yes (I believe) but I thought sunstone was asking what the motivation was of those who killed him, not the motivation of Him who sent Him.
What was the motivation of justifying Christ's death for our sins?
 

Comprehend

Res Ipsa Loquitur
tlcmel said:
Ultimately the result was a sacrifice for our sins right?

ps. if it makes any difference, LDS believe that he actually suffered for our sins in the garden of Gethsemane and paid for them on the cross.
 

!Fluffy!

Lacking Common Sense
tlcmel said:
Ultimately the result was a sacrifice for our sins right?

That's debatable. The answer depends on who you ask, Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, protestants, mormons, etc.
 

!Fluffy!

Lacking Common Sense
comprehend said:
Yes (I believe) but I thought sunstone was asking what the motivation was of those who killed him, not the motivation of Him who sent Him.

Me too. Maybe someone wants to start another thread about the theology, which is much more complex than what Phil is after.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
comprehend said:
Yes (I believe) but I thought sunstone was asking what the motivation was of those who killed him, not the motivation of Him who sent Him.

That's true. I'm concerned in this thread with the motives of those who killed him.
 

Hacker

Well-Known Member
comprehend said:
ps. if it makes any difference, LDS believe that he actually suffered for our sins in the garden of Gethsemane and paid for them on the cross.
If he paid for them on the cross, then what would it be like today if the crucifiction didn't happen? How would our sins be forgiven?
 
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