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Are You Glad the IQ Morality Tests Presented by Yeshua in the Bible is Too Complex for Most?

dfnj

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Joseph Atwell's Caesar's Messiah defiles timelines: Constantine didn't adopt Christianity until the end of his life, and then Rome accepted Christianity after.

Christianity (John, Paul, and Simon) was deliberately made up by the Pharisees to rewrite the Tanakh's prophecy, as the Jews have been divorced (Zechariah 11), so they rewrote the Gospel to suit an agenda.

Only someone who doesn't study the text properly, as they're looking to debunk it, would miss this; which shows the world is full of very argumentative people, who don't think rationally i.e. we're down near Hell before Judgement Day.

In my opinion. :innocent:

It seems to me you did not watch the video.

"With the analysis done by Joseph Atwill, the key lies in the Dead Sea Scrolls which are the only Jewish literature ever discovered from the first century AD or CE... the time Jesus would have been preaching among the Jews. The characters in the Dead Sea Scrolls were militaristic and you can see that this movement wanted to push the foreigners out of Israel; they were fundamentalists, whereas the characters of the Gospels are not.

Joseph began studying the other two major works of that era, The 'New testament' and the 'Wars of the Jews' by Josephus, a Roman court historian who described the war between the Romans and the Jews in the first century. While reading these works side by side he noticed an amazing connection between them.

Certain events from the ministry of Jesus seem to closely parallel episodes from the military campaign of Titus Flavius. A campaign which took place forty years after Jesus supposedly lived. Joseph's efforts to understand these connections led him to an incredible discovery. Christianity had been invented by a little known family of Roman Caesars, the Flavians, and they left us documents to prove it."

It's very hard to argue with Atwill's argument with regards to the over 40 topological associations all in the SAME sequence and in the same locations between the two literally works compared in his study. The locations and sequence of Jesus travels through the Gospel line up with the military campaign of Titus Flavius as if Titus Flavius is implied to be the Jewish savior! The propaganda was designed to imply Titus Flavius was the son of God! The Romans were using religion to govern the people in an occupied land.

So how can you deny the 40 topological associations all in the same sequence and in the same locations between the two literally works? In my opinion, this is compelling evidence supporting the author's thesis.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
It seems to me you did not watch the video.

"With the analysis done by Joseph Atwill
Not only have I watched the video, I got my dad to years ago, and also he read the book; where then we've spent years debating its fallacies.

You're doing the same as my dad, you're wrapped in a narrative that on study doesn't match the texts or history; there are videos debunking Joseph Atwell, as it is very sloppy, and has lots of mistakes...

What stated as an argument is my own, that over turns everything Joseph Atwell is stating: Rome did not adopt Christianity under the Flavians 100AD, it wasn't historically until after 300AD.

He didn't realize that John, Paul, and Simon the Stumbling Stone, is a purposeful prophetic deception that was established in Rome to be Antichrist, and then he cites their texts to make a case.

In my opinion.
:innocent:
 
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Ebionite

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People generally are children of men correct?
People can be wise or foolish. In he context of Psalm 14 they're foolish, but in the context of Proverbs 8 they are wise.

Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights [were] with the sons of men.
Proverbs 8:31
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
People can be wise or foolish. In he context of Psalm 14 they're foolish
In context of Psalms 14, Psalms 53, it is speaking about Atheists, who can't do basic logic...

The reality is all mathematical, implying there is a central Source formulating the maths, the wise can see this; therefore fools say there is no Source (El) or Divine Council (Elohim), as they're not smart enough to see the logic of reality.

Paul systematically misrepresented the Psalms to make a religious cult opposite to the Messiah's teachings, whilst collecting all the Atheist who'd accept the Source of reality isn't sovereign.

At Judgement Day it is prophesied that all that follow the Beast (j+sēs) are to be removed in the Lake of Fire; that means many down here currently, as hardly any understand these contexts.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

It Aint Necessarily So

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Premium Member
what bothers me, is when someone is so ignorant, they're incapable of an analytical debate

Debate what? You've made a series of unevidenced claims. I told you I don't believe you. There is nothing more to debate.

That is because you assume you know more than the millions throughout history that have described such a place.

Yeah, I know more than the millions of people who have described a place that probably doesn't exist and that they have never seen. I know not to believe by faith. They don't.

proves people going against it are too stupid, to even realize their immoral in the process.

It's "they're," not "their."

Half the world's religious texts agree.

Your fallacy: Argumentum ad populum.

I have no use for any religious text. My teacher was life.

Atheists, who can't do basic logic

Do you think you're logical? I don't. You don't even have an argument here, just claims that you are hoping that others will believe by faith, since there is no other way to believe you. There is zero logic coming from you - just logical fallacy.

Atheists are in general going to be more logical than theists since atheists, being rational skeptics, have rejected god claims for lack of sufficient evidence. There is no other logical position about gods possible.

If you choose to believe that one exists without sufficient evidence, you have committed a logical fallacy. If your entire worldview is based on faith and a logical fallacy, how logical can you be?

fools say there is no Source (El) or Divine Council (Elohim), as they're not smart enough to see the logic of reality.

You really hate atheists, don't you.

We're down near Hell

Previously, I have said that I have no reason to believe that. But I'm going to adopt your style for a bit and simply declare as fact things that I couldn't possibly know.

No we're not. We're not near hell. There is no such place.

To really complete the impression, I ought to indicate that you're a fool, stupid, and illogical - language that you don't seem to be able to function without - but I don't think that that would really add anything.
 

Ebionite

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In context of Psalms 14, Psalms 53, it is speaking about Atheists, who can't do basic logic...

IMO the point was for people to develop their potential, but some are so distracted that this is unlikely to happen.

Paul systematically misrepresented the Psalms to make a religious cult opposite to the Messiah's teachings, whilst collecting all the Atheist who'd accept the Source of reality isn't sovereign.

Not only the Psalms.

Romans 11
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Isaiah 59
20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith YHWH.
21 As for me, this [is] my covenant with them, saith YHWH; My spirit that [is] upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith YHWH, from henceforth and for ever.
Isaiah 59 (LXX)
20 And the deliverer shall come for Sion's sake, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.
21 And this shall be my covenant with them, said the Lord; My Spirit which is upon thee, and the words which I have put in thy mouth, shall never fail from thy mouth, nor from the mouth of thy seed, for the Lord has spoken it, henceforth and for ever.

At Judgement Day it is prophesied that all that follow the Beast (j+sēs) are to be removed in the Lake of Fire; that means many down here currently, as hardly any understand these contexts.

The Beast is more of a military force IMO. The Christian Jesus is what you get when you follow the Pharisees (in their many forms) instead of the Messiah.
 

A Vestigial Mote

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I've come from Heaven as prophesied to try to rectify the world's religions, and you're trying to cause the opposite.
I am not actively "trying to cause the opposite." Again... I don't believe you, and think that NO ONE should. I am here trying to make sure people are not unnecessarily BULLIED or FRIGHTENED into buying your shtick. Get it straight man.

The method of argumentation is to miss most of the knowledge on the topic, whilst trying to prove your own ego.
YOU are the one who has to prove your claims, and I am the one calling out your evidence or "proof" as insufficient. Saying "I have known since I was 3-5 years old" is NOT compelling. Pointing at texts that are ENTIRELY up for interpretation and claiming that "this is what it says" - especially when there are thousands of other people who believe at least somewhat like you do, who would adamantly DENY that those texts say what you say they do - is NOT compelling. Dropping a hint that "The Kid Who Would be King" is secretly your life story is NOT compelling. NOT COMPELLING.

You haven't debunked the things prophesied will soon happen; you've just proven your lack of worthiness as being a sentient being.
It is not my job to "debunk" anything in this conversation, except in assessment of evidence presented. You are the one throwing around claims left and right... and so YOU are the one who needs to bring sufficient and cogent evidence to the table. And what you have brought so far is garbage of the lowest possible order.

Since you do not have the required knowledge to even assess what is being stated, it is pointless trying to communicate...
I agree that it seems pointless to try to communicate. But guess what? As long as you keep replying, I will also. Until I get banned or something - which is probably pretty likely.

Go find some other caring person to torture for fun.
Of course you would like to believe that's what is going on. Well believe this, @wizanda, I used to think you were sort of endearing and harmless in your own way with all your spiritual talk, fairly strict adherence to your own narrative (even though it DID evolve and change over time). I thought you were a rather fun character. But then you started into this whole, "I am an angel sent to help save the souls of the Earth from destruction" thing, and started actively trying to insult people into buying in and following your cause. It really, really started to look like you were looking to become a cult leader of some sort, felt you were deserving of such a following, and yet strongly attempted to hide all of that behind a "caring" personality. A person just trying to do his best to save this planet of beings from ultimate destruction. And it was my inkling/intuition informing me of these ideas that started the thought process that what you are serving up here is actually potentially dangerous. Happily, I have seen time and time again you complaining that you aren't getting any traction, and no one is listening to you. I can do no more than hope that this continues. Call it trolling, call it uncaring, call me a demon destroyer of mankind. I don't care. Not one lick. I'm not going to sit idly by and let what I believe is dangerous thinking go unchallenged. That's not what I do.

By the way, I understand that much of this sounds like a personal attack... and I do not care about this either. Anyone reading this... do what you feel that you must.
 
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wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Debate what? You've made a series of unevidenced claims.
I get you don't question religious texts or any evidence other than what you want to look at; yet in the OP, and across the site, I've explained the contradictions in the religious texts, which are prophesied to be the reason for Judgement Day.
probably doesn't exist and that they have never seen.
I've had a NDE at 21, where I saw both places, and can describe what they are in quantum physics.
I have no use for any religious text.
To ignore some of the greatest minds throughout time, shows a lack of logic.
have rejected god claims for lack of sufficient evidence.
There is overwhelming scientific evidence everywhere we look, our reality is all mathematical, and only someone stupid looks to the religious texts to prove there is a Source; when we can see we exist within a quantum matrix, just by the mathematics around us.
Do you think you're logical?
I'm always open to being delusional, and therefore question everything to its root level, as I always remain with the disposition, "I don't know".

Logic can be shown by clear equations.
If your entire worldview is based on faith and a logical fallacy, how logical can you be?
I don't have anything that is based on faith; I've seen the Source of reality, fulfilled prophecy in many religions, all of the data can be shown for what I understand.
You really hate atheists, don't you.
I don't hate anyone; I find people naive though, and considering we're down near Hell with me often appealing to Atheists that there is a CPU in a universal quantum computer - I'd call that unconditionally loving.
I ought to indicate that you're a fool, stupid, and illogical
Who accused anyone, I'm stating if people choose to be stupid, foolish, and illogical... If it was personal, that would be childish.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Again... I don't believe you, and think that NO ONE should.
Look so far I'm saying you've failed at even understanding what has been stated, the idea you would then conclude no one should believe the Messiah, where the ultimate consequence is the end of humanity, isn't logical on your part.

If you don't get even my motives, why not question you're just assuming lots, and then trying to serve your own cause.
Saying "I have known since I was 3-5 years old" is NOT compelling.
As you're arguing more, you're falling on the floor in terms of not even comprehending the basics of what is being stated...

Let's help you up:

At 4-6 I knew the New Testament was corrupt, and that Yeshua did not go around saying "I Am" statements; this shows that the Pharisees (John, Paul, and Simon) are false by definition, and the idea I knew that by Divine guidance at that age, isn't the proof, the text is, yet you're ignorant of even looking at the evidence.
"The Kid Who Would be King" is secretly your life story is NOT compelling.
I feel very sorry for you in terms of comprehension.

In the conversation where we originally discussed this concept: it was on identifying the Messiah by name with references in all the world's religion, and that was a cherry on the cake.
Call it trolling, call it uncaring, call me a demon destroyer of mankind. I don't care. Not one lick.
See this is the problem, you don't care to study what is being stated; you assume you know more than vast reams of data, and then just argue, even with the result being the death of humanity. :eek:
I used to think you were sort of endearing and harmless
The idea someone sees another as "harmless", sounds like you have a threatening personality to begin.

I did think you were capable of being rational, our dialogue has shown you to be someone I'd have committed - Sorry. :oops:

In my opinion.
:innocent:
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
If you don't get even my motives, why not question you're just assuming lots, and then trying to serve your own cause.
And just what is my "cause" @wizanda? So far you have hinted that my cause is the destruction of mankind... and based on NOTHING more than the idea that I don't believe you or that I disagree with your assessment. Ridiculous. Not even worth discussing.

As you're arguing more, you're falling on the floor in terms of not even comprehending the basics of what is being stated...

Let's help you up:

At 4-6 I knew the New Testament was corrupt, and that Yeshua did not go around saying "I Am" statements; this shows that the Pharisees (John, Paul, and Simon) are false by definition, and the idea I knew that by Divine guidance at that age, isn't the proof, the text is, yet you're ignorant of even looking at the evidence.
There is no "truth" to be discovered here. There is NOTHING BUT HEARSAY. Either you saying it, or the "Pharisees" or whoever wrote The Bible. NOTHING BUT HEARSAY. You don't have anything better. It is all subjective BS, with no ties to anything we can examine or actually demonstrate in reality. The best you have are people scrounging around, looking for archaeological evidence - and even that wouldn't prove a single thing you are claiming. I don't care what you thought as a 4 year old. Nor as a 6 year old. Do you understand? I don't care at all. It means nothing to me. This is not evidence of anything. This is you making a claim you cannot demonstrate the truth of. You can't. And therefore you aren't really holding anything as you hold your hands out to present it.

I feel very sorry for you in terms of comprehension.
Within the reality I experience and deal with, as I have told you, I am good with my behaviors, beliefs and moral judgments. Completely good. You can feel sorry for me all you want. You don't determine my level of fortitude. Hell... you don't even affect it.

In the conversation where we originally discussed this concept: it was on identifying the Messiah by name with references in all the world's religion, and that was a cherry on the cake.
Doesn't matter if it was just "cherry on the cake" - it doesn't. The very fact that you brought it into the conversation shows that you KNOW your position looks completely defenseless and tenuous. No one in their right mind would turn to that piece of crap in defense of their ideas. The moment they do you know they are on the ropes, careening left and right from the blows of questions and inquiry without a solid direction to point in. It was the cue that you were down and out, struggling with all your might to pull something compelling out of your butt. Something that might convince. So you pull out some tacky movie from 2019. Again - think of how this would go over in a court of law. Just picture it. You've already presented all your other "Evidence" and the judge still isn't buying it (for some strange reason), so you turn to good ol' "The Kid Who Would be King" in a last ditch effort to "save the world." Fail.

See this is the problem, you don't care to study what is being stated; you assume you know more than vast reams of data, and then just argue, even with the result being the death of humanity. :eek:
It is obviously out of my hands anyway, given the nature of this "Source" you keep going on about. I can't know it, can't find it, can't appeal to it. Where is it again? Is this one of those things where I have to read and to pray, and then I will come to know "the truth?" Oh wait... but I also have to be sincere, right? Well darn... THAT sure isn't going to happen. Looks like I am screwed anyway. And as stated... I'm fine with that. How many times do I need to say that one as well? I am fine with destruction and annihilation by "The Source." Bring it. Let's get this done. I couldn't fear non-existence if I tried @wizanda. You are, again, barking straight up the wrong tree with me here.

The idea someone sees another as "harmless", sounds like you have a threatening personality to begin.
What? Just more evidence here that you are not thinking clearly... not actually rationalizing our conversation as you should be. There isn't a person alive who doesn't assess threats and come to judgments about them. Are we all "threatening personalities" then, @wizanda? Give me a break.

I did think you were capable of being rational, our dialogue has shown you to be someone I'd have committed - Sorry. :oops:
Why don't you answer me about who you think a court of law would find in favor of on the issue of mental competence here @wizanda? Please answer. Who do you think a court or law (or even a simple grouping of our peers) would judge as having a little more rationality in their corner? I have a very. very strong suspicion it would be me. Not trying to say I am superior in any way... I just know how much mental pushing people are generally willing to accept - and you push A LOT more than I ever do. Believe me.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Debate what? You've made a series of unevidenced claims. I told you I don't believe you. There is nothing more to debate.

I get you don't question religious texts or any evidence other than what you want to look at; yet in the OP, and across the site, I've explained the contradictions in the religious texts, which are prophesied to be the reason for Judgement Day.

You dodged my comment. There is still nothing to debate in this thread. You have presented nothing but smoke.

And I don't read theology any more. My interest here is you and your claim of being a messiah and having special knowledge, not your specific religious beliefs, nor what you think about biblical morality or prophecy. I'm more interested in probing a little to see what makes you tick.

I have no use for any religious text. My teacher was life.

To ignore some of the greatest minds throughout time, shows a lack of logic.

Who says these are great minds? These are people like you who think they have special knowledge from a god and who want to tell me how I ought to live. Ignoring them is logical.

What do any of these books have in them that is valuable or useful to somebody who has a secular humanist worldview and finds it to be valuable and useful? I'd sooner tell such people how they should live if they weren't all dead and if I was that rude and presumptuous.

Maybe they'd believe me if I began with "God told me to tell you..." They seem to think that works. You do.

Atheists are in general going to be more logical than theists since atheists, being rational skeptics, have rejected god claims for lack of sufficient evidence. There is no other logical position about gods possible. If you choose to believe that one exists without sufficient evidence, you have committed a logical fallacy. If your entire worldview is based on faith and a logical fallacy, how logical can you be?

There is overwhelming scientific evidence everywhere we look, our reality is all mathematical, and only someone stupid looks to the religious texts to prove there is a Source; when we can see we exist within a quantum matrix, just by the mathematics around us.

Once again, you evaded the point made. Belief by faith is illogical. Why? Faith can't possibly be a path to truth if anything or its mutually exclusive polar opposite can be believed by faith. Faith is guessing and forgetting that you did, thinking now that you have knowledge and truth.

Here's the difference between deciding what is true about the world using reason applied to evidence versus faith: there is only one periodic table of the elements, but thousands of mutually exclusive religious denominations and gods that people just make up.

Also, the periodic table is useful, the religions and their gods not. The table was derived by examining reality, the religions from fantasies.

I've had a NDE at 21, where I saw both places, and can describe what they are in quantum physics.

I don't believe that you have seen heaven or hell. I have no reason to believe that either exist.

And your link is just more of the same: Things you believe without sufficient evidence.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
in a last ditch effort to "save the world."
Oh my word, at least watch the film before speaking on it or even the tailor, the Messiah comes to debate demons before we delete them...

At Armageddon most people will be removed, and the enlightened saints will remain as prophesied globally.
Who do you think a court or law (or even a simple grouping of our peers) would judge as having a little more rationality in their corner?
We're down near Hell before Judgement Day, the world isn't logical; otherwise they would have seen the contradictions in the Bible already...

As the court examiner for God trying to fix the religions, with you systematically trying to destroy any chance of saving humanity, you've already proven your own case.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Who says these are great minds?
Considering they're the most read books in human history; you're just being oppositional to wisdom.
What do any of these books have in them that is valuable or useful to somebody who has a secular humanist worldview and finds it to be valuable and useful?
Many of the world's religions explain a way to be of a humble disposition, so that the world is a harmonious place.

They explain we're down near Hell, and without wisdom people are arrogant prideful mockers, and accusers down here.

The religions teach us to be disciplined, so we conform to being a better person, and the religions have helped shape society to have its ethical standards we accept today.

For society to evolve, religion used to evolve with it, people have become static, because of oppositional thinking disallowing change.
Maybe they'd believe me if I began with "God told me to tell you..." They seem to think that works. You do.
I've explained calculated details about religious texts globally, with prophetic fulfilment of many of them.

This determinism to be opposite to learning wisdom from religious texts, leads to the conversation being foolish - sorry.
the periodic table is useful,
Yes as the periodic table proves that we're inside a mathematical matrix, with a universal Source.
Belief by faith is illogical. Why?
I do not follow a religion built on blind faith as made up by Paul (Hebrews 11:1), honestly I get you like arguing with Christianized dumbed down religious people; yet this is getting mental, as you're arguing past me, with no real sense of what I'm even speaking about.
I'm more interested in probing a little to see what makes you tick.
Since the thread is about how people have lacked the wisdom to perceive basics in the texts, and you're now evangelizing Atheistic propaganda, whist supporting the false ideas in the religious texts.

Maybe start again, and actually question what makes me tick; rather than super impose your religious rejection onto it.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
Oh my word, at least watch the film before speaking on it or even the tailor, the Messiah comes to debate demons before we delete them...
So you're saying this happens in the film, right? That the Messiah comes to debate demons before we "delete" them, right? That's what you're saying? Because I saw a film once where a boy named Harry Potter rode a creature called a Hippogriff. I also saw a film where aliens came to Earth from outer-space and just wanted to play some really lousy music with us. Once, there was this one movie where blue people were running all over the damn place and some humans were trying to save them while others were trying to destroy them. Jesus Christ. What the hell is going on here?

We're down near Hell before Judgement Day
Tell me how I can know this. How can this be demonstrated to be true? And no... I do not give a flying crap if you decide to simply label Earth's surface as "Hell" instead of calling it Earth's surface. That kind of crap isn't going to cut it. Tell me exactly what Hell is - and you'd better make sure it is something very specific, and not just renaming something that already exists in this reality under a different name - and then prove to me that we are there.

, the world isn't logical; otherwise they would have seen the contradictions in the Bible already...
There are plenty of contradictions in The Bible. What do they prove to you besides the fact that The Bible is a text prone to some amount of errancy? I don't think they function as evidence of much else.

As the court examiner for God trying to fix the religions, with you systematically trying to destroy any chance of saving humanity, you've already proven your own case.
I figured you'd pull a dodge on this point YET AGAIN. There are reasons you fear actually facing what I am asking you to think about. Because you'd go down in a ball of flames in court. Your case wouldn't stand up. Not even close. The caliber of "evidence" you have is putrid. Not worth a damn. Most everyone else knows this... why in the world do you think you keep having such a hard time convincing people?
 
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wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
So you're saying this happens in the film, right? That the Messiah comes to debate demons before we "delete" them, right?
Just watched "Cabin in the Woods" as you said about, it is a very weird film.

Mankind causes its own wars, not the Source torturing us; the Source just resets reality after, and has warned us in advanced via prophets.

In the film the 'Kid who would be king', he fights the demons in the final battle, this is an analogy of what we find in multiple religions globally.
How can this be demonstrated to be true?
Hell is the material matter, it is the base layer of the quantum strands, used to create the structuring of reality.

Therefore earth its self can be shown to be a collection of dead particles, which will eventually be reformed into a new form or burned in the lava below it.
There are plenty of contradictions in The Bible. What do they prove to you besides the fact that The Bible is a text prone to some amount of errancy?
The Bible prophesied these corruptions would happen, this is the whole point of the thread, people don't notice how the contradictions were prophesied as they are not wise enough.

The Synoptic Gospels, and then the Gospel of John, is an elaborate IQ test; a series of patterns, with a random pattern at the end, that doesn't match the sequence.
why in the world do you think you keep having such a hard time convincing people?
I'm not trying to convince people, their own knowledge of the Source has done that, and their willingness to study the things of God.

I'm here testing human psychology before the end of mankind; thus thank you for showing such radical behaviour, that warrants why mankind will cause its own destruction.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
People can be wise or foolish. In he context of Psalm 14 they're foolish, but in the context of Proverbs 8 they are wise.

Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights [were] with the sons of men.
Proverbs 8:31
Right, I don't deny there are the wise and foolish. However, who sends wisdom? God. She belongs to God.

John the baptist said "A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven."

I believe we are all fools without the intervention of God. If we receive any wisdom then it's from God. He gets all the credit.
 

74x12

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Yeshua found the Pharisees, which means 'to be set apart', held themselves above everyone in the seat of Moses (Matthew 23); yet were total hypocrites with their own made up Oral Traditions (Matthew 15:1-9).

Christianity (John, Paul, and Simon) is based on Babylonian Pharisaic Judaism oral traditions, and goes against the Tanakh in the process.
Talmudic Judaism are the heirs of the pharisaic oral tradition not Christianity. The Pharisees completely rejected Christ and Christianity. I shouldn't have to remind you that Paul was severely persecuting the Christians until he met Jesus on the road to Damascus. At which time he turned his back on his old life. He said he counted it all as dung. He did not any longer care for his honor as a "pharisee" except he did use it to try to win Pharisaic Jews to Christ.

As for the others being Pharisees ... John and Simon traveled with Jesus for years and they saw how the Pharisees hated Jesus. You only need to read the book of John to see that John is critical of them. So how you can say John and Simon are pharisees is beyond me.
When the Gospel of John is made up, there isn't a concept of "Born Again" from Yeshua; other than at the Resurrection of the Living.
It's just new life from the dead.

God promises to make all things new and you say no one will be born again? Then how can they be new? You see, they will indeed be born again.
At the age of 21 I fulfilled Revelation 10, on a sacred mountain, which is claimed to be a doorway to Heaven; three years later I read the Bible at 24, and realize I've already fulfilled part of the book.

At 4-5 years old the Source of reality said my name is in religions globally as One, which it is, as the name of the Final Avatar, and Messiah (Revelation 19:12, Revelation 3:12).

The Source of reality asked me to do this, this is a job for me: I've been asked at 15 to come online talk to people before the Great Tribulation.

In Revelation 10:1, and Isaiah 52:7 it references the Divine Being coming, with his feet on the mountain; we can see the being is also Sandalphon, by the definition of it being a 'Pillar' between Heaven and Earth, like also found in Revelation 3:12.

Revelation 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar (Sandalphon) in the temple of my God, and he will go out from there no more. I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God (Zion - Psalms 146:10, Psalms 147:12, Isaiah 52:7), the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, and my own new name (Sananda).
I'm afraid you're not the only Messiah claimant on RF ... would it help if I told you that messianic delusions are pretty common? Just ask a psychiatrist.
Yehoshua (H3091) is translated as Joshua in Zechariah 3.

As Yeshua warns be aware of imposters claiming to be him (Psudeochristos - G5580), the name of the imposter is shown in the Tanakh, and NT, that the name 'j+sēs' (H5580) is there in symbolism compared to Yeshua (H3444 - Salvation).

When Revelation says the world follows the Beast, 'j+sēs' means this, 'a Beast that shall tear away':

Isaiah 51:8 For the moth will eat them up like a garment, and the grub (j+sēs - יסס) shall eat them like wool; but my righteousness will be forever, and my salvation (Yeshua) to all generations.

Yehoshua is symbolic, where Moses named Hosea sun of Nun, Yehoshua which means 'Shall be Deliverer or Saviour', as he 'shall lead his people to the Promise Land' (Deuteronomy 3:28, Deuteronomy 31:23).

Thus the name Yehoshua also means the 'Lord Saves' (Exodus 23:20-23), where it is specifically stated to respect the Lord's Messenger/Angel, as it has the power to forgive sin.

Thus the symbolism of the name 'j+sēs' is prophesied, that it shall corrupt the message, and remove the true understanding of what Yeshua (H3444) is in the Tanakh.

When Yeshua paraphrases Isaiah 51:8, they don't translate the word for 'Grub' from Hebrew to Greek, as it is blatant cryptic symbolism:

G4597 σής sēs Apparently of Hebrew origin [H5580]; a moth: - moth.

Luke 12:33-34 Sell that which you have, and give gifts to the needy. Make for yourselves purses which don’t grow old, a treasure in the heavens that doesn’t fail, where no thief approaches, neither moth (sēs) destroys. (34) For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

The words Psudeochristos (G5580), and sēs (H5580) explain what the Antichrist is 'j+sēs', and the real Messiah is King David - Yehoshua - Zion/Zan.
Septuagint is good enough for me. Also the holy Spirit ... giving utterance as we speak in other tongues. As God has wounded, He can also heal. So he confused the languages then, but sends healing for all nations now through the holy Spirit.
According to prophecy we'd like to bring the 'Good News' to end fighting, and create a theocracy on earth; yet if no one respects prophecy globally, the Source will remove all the workers of iniquity in a Day, and then keep the enlightened saints.

In my opinion. :innocent:
The good news is that the Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins and is offering salvation and eternal life through the resurrection from the dead. Not what you're saying.

Jesus kingdom was not of this world. He was of the seed of Coniah who was cursed that none of his descendants would prosper sitting on the throne of David in Jerusalem. So that is why the only crown Jesus received on earth was a crown of thorns. It perfectly represented the fallen fortunes of the line of Coniah. Coniah wore a crown of gold until they took him to Babylon in chains. And Jesus a crown of thorns on a cross. But Jesus took all curses on Himself willingly; because He would put them to death on the cross in Himself. So it's through death and resurrection that Jesus restored the line of David and overturned all curses including the one on Coniah. The only hope of humanity is in resurrection. That is life again from the dead. As Jesus now wears many crowns ... then they also will be given the "crown of life" as you know when a baby is born and it's head first appears they call it the crowning. And so when they are born again they will be given a crown of life.

It begins first within us. When God gives the holy Spirit. The resurrection begins now whoever wants it can have it. He pours out His Spirit as water on dry and thirsty ground. Then later on the redemption of the full possession. That is the heavenly body that we will inherit. Because this corruptible must put on immortality.
 

wizanda

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I shouldn't have to remind you that Paul was severely persecuting the Christians until he met Jesus on the road to Damascus.
Christianity was established in Antioch to Paul & Simon's ministry (Acts 11:25-26); they were both Pharisaic in doctrine.

The Pharisees believed that "the death of the righteous could atone for the sins of this generation"; so they concluded 'jesus' came to die.
John and Simon traveled with Jesus for years and they saw how the Pharisees hated Jesus.
The Gospel of John is written by the Sanhedrin to discredit Yeshua, and Simon from the start of his ministry, according to Acts taught idolatry, and human sacrifice as the Gospel.
God promises to make all things new and you say no one will be born again? Then how can they be new? You see, they will indeed be born again.
Only those worthy are Born Again; Yeshua said it in context of an unworthy Pharisees.
I'm afraid you're not the only Messiah claimant on RF ... would it help if I told you that messianic delusions are pretty common?
If we study the claims, and look at all the data from all the world's religious texts; someone would be crazy not to study it all before Judgement Day.

Like the Bible clearly shows my name as the new name of Christ; we just need to study it to show it logically.

Revelation 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar (Sandalphon) in the temple of my God, and he will go out from there no more. I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God (Zion - Psalms 146:10, Psalms 147:12, Isaiah 52:7), the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, and my own new name (Sananda).
The good news is that the Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins and is offering salvation and eternal life through the resurrection from the dead.
This directly contradicts Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels, where he challenged the Sanhedrin for murdering prophets for atonement (Matthew 23:27-38, Mark 7:1-13 + Parable of Wicked Husbandmen - Matthew 21:33-46, Mark 12:1-12, Luke 20:9-19), and it is following the Pharisees (John, Paul, and Simon).

As Revelation says the world has been mislead by the Beast (j+sēs), and the Synagogue of Satan; people just miss the contexts.
Jesus kingdom was not of this world.
That is a false statement from the Gospel of John (John 18:36); this world will become God's in the Messianic Age (Matthew 5:5), it has been taken over by Satanic people.
So that is why the only crown Jesus received on earth was a crown of thorns.
The test in the Bible is to catch out the Ravenous, who don't see it is morally evil to torture a man, especially in front of his mother.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Since most Christians follow 'j+sēs' - יסס, which is prophesied in Isaiah 51:6-8 to be contrasting the words of Yeshua; we can clearly show Christianity is an elaborate prophesied test, created by the Pharisees John, Paul, and Simon the Stumbling Stone (peter).

Christianity was first created in Antioch (Acts 11:25-26), overwriting the real followers of Yeshua, 'The Followers of the Way' or Ebionites.

Therefore since we can show logically that these texts are a purposeful contradiction: then both Baha'i and Rabbinic Judaism have completely misunderstood the texts; as instead of realize the test as stated in both the Quran and Bible, they go against it.

We have Rabbinic Jews arguing Messianic prophecy hasn't happened yet, as they follow Christianity's understanding of 'jesus', which is all made up on purpose. :confused:

We have Baha'i confirming the false texts of the Pharisees, which are Antichrist's teachings, as Baha'u'llah clearly wasn't what he claimed. :confused:

Though Islam were informed it is a test, most have rejected reading the Bible, and so don't actually understand they're meant to be educating people about it in detail; not arguing it is all false, as they can't be bothered to study it. :oops:

The 2nd incarnation of the Saoshyant in Zoroastrianism was expected by the Wiseman, which is why they came to meet Yeshua with the customary gold, frankincense, and myrrh; this again explains it is a test on mankind, with a conclusion at the end.

Dharmic religions relate the Divine coming down here in form is contextual, and there is clear Dharmic ideas that there is a time of testing, with the removal of the Ravenous Demons at the end of the age.

Ultimately I should be happy that this test is so precise across the world's religious texts, and that it catches out all the hypocrites; yet isn't the point of religion to bring everyone to understanding, not just to destroy people for being stupid? :oops:

Which is where I'm not glad this is happening, as most of you think you're saved for going against the test, and therefore it is like living near Hell, as it is a morality IQ test people have failed; which shows us the world is an evil place, with people who don't think logically... :(

Yet if the test exists, the texts show evidence, why can't we educate people to understand this basic legal examination paper; surely if something can be shown morally, and objectively, people can be educated about it? o_O

If people understood the morality IQ test of the Bible properly, wouldn't the world become a less hypocritical place, more capable of recognizing their own moral errors? :star:

In my opinion. :innocent:
I don't find Jesus hard to understand at all. Except for claims about himself, he basically teaches Judaism during a time when halakhah was less nailed down and there were more arguments among the Rabbis in general. Most of the time his teachings line up with Rabbi Hillel. See "Jesus the Pharisee" by Harvy Falk
 
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