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Was gold generally considered spiritually valuable before it was considered economically valuable

amorphous_constellation

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So this may seem like a dumb query, but this occurs to me lately after reading a book of norse mythology, and then thinking about several odd ways in which the bible actually mentions gold. What emerges to me, is that ancient cultures didn't see the stuff as being valuable at all like we would see it as valuable. I'm not sure how obvious it is, but it seems as though they saw it as being spiritually valuable first sans any tangible physical market value, though its great physical value is how its value was translated down to us

So in genesis, we get an odd verse near the beginning about various material goods, (featuring gold, bdellium, onyx stone) which is actually very weird to mention in the antediluvian paleolithic context of Genesis. None of these things would have had any market value in the stone age

Now it occurs to me from norse myth, that the norse may have actually had no actual economic motivation to seek gold, yet preserved an extremely high theological importance for it, where for example it is oddly used for taxidermy on a divine otter creature, or is produced as meal by giantesses. And this 'category of non-economic value' mirrors how it was perceived in various parts of the bible as well, where gold goes into 'god's treasury,' or occasionally makes for exotic metaphors. So thus, ancient Israelites must not have entirely seen it as mere mundane material even as their history progressed toward a more economic role for gold.

As people became more secular, they of course preserve a sense of value in many material things that really ancient people also did. But in knowing that the value of some of these things might have been nascently associated only with mere spiritual value, does that put any sense in your mind that the modern economic value of these things is somewhat arbitrary. Now I understand that gold has some value in modern electronics, but is that discovery of tangible value commensurate with the value it received from the predilections of the ancient spirituality-based mind. And if it is, that is quite odd
 
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WonderingWorrier

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I'm thinking spiritual gold and physical gold are two different things. Physical gold is earthly so it's just spiritual iron and is why gold turns to rust according to James. I think spiritual gold is heavenly.

And maybe it is the philosophers hearts that can turn lead into gold:




Yea, they made their hearts as an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law, and the words which the LORD of hosts hath sent in his spirit by the former prophets: therefore came a great wrath from the LORD of hosts. Zechariah 7:12


Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and ye shall eat your flesh as it were fire ye heaped treasure together for the last days. James 5:3


The bellows are burned, the lead is consumed of the fire; the founder melteth in vain: for the wicked are not plucked away. Jeremiah 6:29

And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof. Zechariah 5:8



As they gather silver, and brass, and iron, and lead, and tin, into the midst of the furnace, to blow fire upon it, to melt it; so will I gather you in mine anger and in my fury, and I will leave you there, and melt you. Ezekiel 22:20

And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron. Deuteronomy 28:23

But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the LORD: they shall come into the treasury of the LORD. Joshua 6:19

For they be thy people, and thine inheritance, which though broughtest forth out of Egypt, from the midst of the furnace of iron. 1 Kings 8:51

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Revelation 11.8



I think we are in spiritual Egypt.
 

amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
I'm thinking spiritual gold and physical gold are two different things. Physical gold is earthly so it's just spiritual iron and is why gold turns to rust according to James. I think spiritual gold is heavenly.

Maybe it became that at a more postmodern juncture, but to ancient or traditional peoples, it certainly did not seem that way. If you would do a bible word search for 'gold,' you would find that in much of the earlier part of the bible, physical gold seems to translate into something quite spiritually substantial. From tribal warfare occurring to get at stashes of gold, to building the temple with it, to the staffordshire hoard, to norse stories about gold, all of this seems to indicate a sort of spiritual use for something that may have precluded an economic use.

As they gather silver, and brass, and iron, and lead, and tin, into the midst of the furnace, to blow fire upon it, to melt it; so will I gather you in mine anger and in my fury, and I will leave you there, and melt you. Ezekiel 22:20

Wow, that's a pretty raging verse there
 
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WonderingWorrier

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Well , I guess my argument is that it's only valuable because they originally said it was, so sure, maybe they should get it

I think they will get the fruits of their labour. Brass pomegranates, silver figs, or golden apples.

Just as the hill is at a higher level than the valley, and the sea is at a lower level than the river.

Listening to the mountain stream.
 
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