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Is God involved in the Coronavirus?

Samantha Rinne

Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
I am sorry this post is so long, but I have been holding this in all week, and I wonder why nobody is talking about it, as if it is not even happening. Do people have their heads in the sand or do they simply think that by not talking about it they can pretend it is not happening? Or if they do talk about it they laugh and joke about it, as if it is no big deal. What is wrong with people that they are blind to what is happening? I have my own ideas but I just wonder what other people on RF think.

My academic background is psychology so I always analyze people and how they think and behave. But since I also have a religion and believe in God, I also wonder how God might be involved in anything that happens in the world, especially something like this which is unprecedented in modern history.

Why did this epidemic have to happen? Is God involved? I believe that God has His Hand in everything in the sense that everything that happens is within God’s Will, so if God had not willed it to happen, it would not have happened.

So what are the implications if God is involved? Is God going to punish humanity for their misdeeds? What did humanity do to deserve this? Imo, we cannot fall back in the sinful humanity because Adam and Eve ate the apple story again; that is old hat and I do not even believe in original sin, but I digress because I want to talk about what is possibly going on now, not what happened in the past. Why would God will this for humanity? Are we all guilty, not because of original sin, but because of something else? If only some people are guilty, a lot of innocent people are going to get caught in the crossfire. Even if they do not contract the virus or have a loved one who contracts it, the effect upon the economy affects everyone, especially older people who have saved for retirement all their lives. But I digress again, and I do not want to talk about the state of the economy because it will only make me angry.

Things like this do not happen for no reason, and since God is ultimately in charge of everything, God has to be behind it in some way. But even if God is behind it that does not mean that humanity “collectively” did not deserve this, because I believe that God is just and loving.

Some people blame President Trump for all of this, get real. :rolleyes: Trump did not cause this, and even if he did not manage it that well, Trump does not have that much power – but God does. The buck stops with God, Imo, so now all you atheists can pile on, and I will agree with you. ;).

So, back to the subject, why did this have to happen? Of course we will never know but we can conjecture about it. I have my own opinions and I think it is because humanity had to wake up and realize who is ultimately in charge – God. But it is more than that since most people already know that God is in charge. In my opinion, humanity has to eventually wake up and realize that we are all one people and the way we are living is not working for all of humanity. Ultimately, we need to come together and work together for the sake of all of humanity.

Reflections on the Coronavirus and the Oneness of Humanity

Sadly, what I see is that most people are basically selfish and materialistic. However, all humans also have a noble spiritual nature so they have the capacity to sacrifice for the sake of others, and we see that in these times of crisis. Not everyone is going to care about other people though; some people are going to be worried if they will be able to get toilet paper. To me it is Unbelievable that people would worry about such a petty thing when the world is crumbling all around them. Oh no, the Coronavirus is not the only world crisis, we have been in “crisis mode” for a very long time. Does anybody care about a solution?

I apologize ahead of time if I offend anyone’s beliefs, but I do not believe Jesus is coming back to fix the mess the world is in; fixing this mess is the job for humans working together. And how much of this crisis can be attributed to the Christians who are “waiting for Jesus” and assuming He is going to come eventually, He just got hung up at the airport. :oops: But that is the power beliefs hold, people can believe anything. I think what we need to ask ourselves is how rational these beliefs are, and even more importantly, how are these beliefs going to help anyone? Clearly, Jesus is not here and there is no reason to believe He is coming because He said His work was finished here and He was no more in the world (John 17:4, John 17:11).

It was not the purpose of this post to lay blame upon anyone, but I cannot help but think that holding the belief that Jesus is coming to rescue humanity plays a part in how people think and behave. Why worry about doing anything if Jesus is coming soon? Maybe I am reading too much into this because my academic background is psychology, or maybe I see something others do not see, I don’t know. I just know it bothers me tremendously, because it is selfish and lazy to expect Jesus or God to “fix” what humanity is responsible for and what humanity is fully capable of fixing.

According to my beliefs humans are responsible for the mess we find ourselves in so our sins will not go unpunished, because that is in accordance with God’s justice. However, the past is gone and now we need to live in the present and work towards the future. God will not abandon us to our fate. If we do His Will, God will be with us every step of the way as we try to apply His Remedy to the problems the world faces.

“God, the Vigilant, the Just, the Loving, the All-Wise Ordainer, can, in this supreme Dispensation, neither allow the sins of an unregenerate humanity, whether of omission or of commission, to go unpunished, nor will He be willing to abandon His children to their fate, and refuse them that culminating and blissful stage in their long, their slow and painful evolution throughout the ages, which is at once their inalienable right and their true destiny.” The Promised Day Is Come, pp. 4-5

This Judgment of God

Let's withhold any notions of judgement for the time, and get to the actual meat of the subject. This world as created has only a thin material veneer. I'll make a diagram.

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On the left is the world as it appears to human eyes. On the right is the world broken down into elemental components. Auras and runes, if you will. Think of it this way, suppose we have a word "warm" and you are thinking that word constantly while surrounded by "cold" weather outside.

As an ancient human, while you think this, you take steps to get "warm" by learning how to build "fire" using "wood" or you kill an animal for its fur, and you now have a warm coat.

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What I'm trying to convey, is that on a very real level, our thoughts dictate reality. Now what does this mean?

The short version? ****ing idiots on the internet can spread a panic which in turn cloisters people indoors where they have bratty kids sneezing on them, can't work, and can't get away! Brilliant! Btw, some diseases (like leprosy) worsen when people are in close proximity! You're better traveling and doing business as normal, and just improving hygiene a tiny bit. This creates a perfect storm where a rumor creates a crisis where there isn't one. In China, they have open air markets where raw meat is sitting outdoors, they have sketchy water, and they have somewhat bad hygiene in general. They also have squat toilets! Iran is not known for its first world hygiene either. Europe has Middle Eastern immigrants, which accounts for much of their contagion, but unlike Asia, their hygiene is first world. The entirety of Europe combined has just about 3x what just Iran has.

So first, let's stop the misinformation and especially the panic. If you're worried, go around everywhere in a hazard suit. But coronavirus is weak. Lemme say this again. Coronavirus is WEAK. The last map I checked had about 138k total cases (they're saying it's risen since then), only 5.5k were deadly (remember this number), and most of these were people who were already sick, old, or had other issues like diabetes. Btw, this is worldwide. The US had just about 1663 cases last check, and only 42 or so were deadly. China is jam-packed with people (try getting on a Chinese bus), and even so only a small percentage even got sick. The US has people spaced out all over the place. We are declaring a national emergency and shutting down schools and churches and concerts for two weeks.

Yet, I'm gonna lay out some truth. Each year, from one of the three strains of flu, about 50k people die of the flu. Worldwide, the number is closer to 260k up to maybe 650k. Not counting complications from pneumonia, this number is significantly lower, but let's be real. This is a weak disease. Stop repeating the word "pandemic" and keep using the word "hygiene precautions." Beyond this, get some fresh air. Do some hiking. Stop wearing dusty masks.

God didn't cause this. Human fear did. But remember what Jesus did.

Matthew 9:22
Luke 17:19
Matthew 13:58 (wherein a lack of faith actually prevented healing)


He healed the sick. He told them "your faith has made you well." Have faith. And it will make you well.
 
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Trailblazer

Veteran Member
The US had just about 1663 cases last check, and only 42 or so were deadly.
I work for the state government and I have a coworker who told his coworker that soon half of the population of the U.S. will have the coronavirus. Then he asked her if she was going door to door taking temperatures yet.... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

The whole thing is insane where I live. I stopped at Walmart to shop and the shelves were empty.
Toilet paper has turned into a precious commodity. o_O
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Things like this do not happen for no reason, .. why did this have to happen? Does anybody care about a solution.

And how much of this crisis can be attributed to the Christians who are “waiting for Jesus” and assuming He is going to come eventually, He just got hung up at the airport. :oops: But that is the power beliefs hold, people can believe anything. how are these beliefs going to help anyone?

“God, the Vigilant, the Just, the Loving, .."
All things happen for a reason except the existence of Allah or the creation of the universe by him.
Yeah people are trying to minimize the effect of Coronavirus and trying to find a solution/cure for it. Of course, the Christians are wrong, such beliefs do not help. What is your solution? Will our becoming Bahai solve the problem? But Bahai too have their beliefs, more beliefs than all the religions put together, because they deny all religions of the world.

So, you think your loving God, will not let any commission or omission go unpunished, and Cororavirus is one such punishment? And, as a corollary, that no Bahai will ever be infected by Coronavirus or any retribution from Allah?
 
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Samantha Rinne

Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
Why pray if you're going to worry?

Why do you ask that?

Probably because it's a valid question?

Suppose you pray "Please God, get me a job." But you constantly talk about how much you suck at working. Even other people wouldn't answer such prayers, and you're having no faith in your own prayer. Prayer works best if you actually are convinced the person you pray to at least might be the answer to your prayers.
 

Samantha Rinne

Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
I work for the state government and I have a coworker who told his coworker that soon half of the population of the U.S. will have the coronavirus. Then he asked her if she was going door to door taking temperatures yet.... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

The whole thing is insane where I live. I stopped at Walmart to shop and the shelves were empty.
Toilet paper has turned into a precious commodity. o_O

I can tell you exactly why that is. Because the state government is currently doing a census, and rather than being competent and doing the entire thing via mail, they're sending people door to door. Our government in action, folks. We don't even need census information. It's for taxes (which they can instead collect through sales or other means) and for zoning for voting districts (zoning by population and not landmass is precisely why polls are too biased).

Also, that's absurd. Given any disease (say, sitting on a subway with someone) contagion is usually closer to 20% (1 in 5) than 50%. Human beings have something called an immune system. And we live in a nation that has sewage systems, not a malaria-bound country where the pipes are tainted with fecal matter. This is an extrapolation, but even during the Black Plague, 50% contagion was still an absurd claim. Unless they know something about this being some kind of engineered disease...?
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
When males call self God as a male, then yes God is certainly involved and that God is a scientist.

Reason as known to medical science....every year in Winter we get sick.

What is the common change in winter on Earth? ICE GAIN.

What is the common alter condition on Earth? Summer, ice melt.

What lived inside of the body of ICE that gets changed by science?

Historically different water born microbes/bacterias…..and the knowledge that dead bodies were held inside of that freeze, and the freeze was involved in irradiating bodies attacking Earth.

So you know the reason medically, the conditions of water changing cause sickness in cells as the microbes change that live in water.

We are told in science that ICE is unnaturally melting...and suddenly new viruses emerge.

In ancient times they claim when the climate changes and it is given irradiation, flooding occurs due to rain and evaporation being involved in atmospheric cooling.

They got sick...they document being sick and still today you own some inability to say, we are doing it to ourselves due to scientific changes to our environment.

Then it is about blame.....why does a human being seek blame? Because it knows that it did it to itself...or else it would not be seeking to blame.

We say China caused it....yet in China their atmospheric phenomena very different to other countries phenomena in its gas atmospheric inheritance. Was witnessed.


'>Deuteronomy 1:28
Verse Concepts

'Where can we go up? Our brethren have made our hearts melt, saying, "The people are bigger and taller than we; the cities are large and fortified to heaven. And besides, we saw the sons of the Anakim there."'
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Males said in science that the womb is space, dueter ….out of the womb...meaning gas atmosphere.

So it has happened before and was documented as occurring.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Yeah people are trying to minimize the effect of Coronavirus and trying to find a solution/cure for it.
Or maybe they are trying to maximize the effect, and it is not as serious as they are making it out to be.
How can we really know?
Of course, the Christians are wrong, such beliefs do not help. What is your solution? Will our becoming Bahai solve the problem? But Bahai too have their beliefs, more beliefs than all the religions put together, because they deny all religions of the world.
No, becoming a Bahai won't solve the Coronavirus problem.
You have that backwards, It is the other religions who deny all the other religions, it is not the Baha'i Faith that does that.
So, you think your loving God, will not let any commission or omission go unpunished, and Cororavirus is one such punishment? And, as a corollary, that no Bahai will ever be infected by Coronavirus or any retribution from Allah?
No, I do not believe that the Coronavirus is a punishment from God. However the other things humanity has done warranted punishment.
 

dfnj

Well-Known Member
Why did this epidemic have to happen? Is God involved? I believe that God has His Hand in everything in the sense that everything that happens is within God’s Will, so if God had not willed it to happen, it would not have happened.

This epidemic did not have to happen. God was not involved. Thinking God has His Hand in everything is silly superstition. People used to think slitting the throat of a goat gained you favor with God. People used to think God was behind the blowing of the wind.

Human beings attribute meaning to everything. It's like seeing pictures in clouds. Do not let your fear and superstitions get the best of you. It's a dumb virus. IT MEANS NOTHING!
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Also, that's absurd. Given any disease (say, sitting on a subway with someone) contagion is usually closer to 20% (1 in 5) than 50%. Human beings have something called an immune system. And we live in a nation that has sewage systems, not a malaria-bound country where the pipes are tainted with fecal matter. This is an extrapolation, but even during the Black Plague, 50% contagion was still an absurd claim. Unless they know something about this being some kind of engineered disease...?
This guy does not believe in God but he believes everything he hears on the news and he listens to it constantly at work, and then he broadcasts it to everyone, as if we want to hear it. I consider that rather selfish because some of us do not want to hear it. I do not need or want a stock market report from him. :( :mad:
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
This epidemic did not have to happen. God was not involved. Thinking God has His Hand in everything is silly superstition. People used to think slitting the throat of a goat gained you favor with God. People used to think God was behind the blowing of the wind.

Human beings attribute meaning to everything. It's like seeing pictures in clouds. Do not let your fear and superstitions get the best of you. It's a dumb virus. IT MEANS NOTHING!
No, God was not involved, I was just thinking out loud, wondering what happened. o_O
 

dfnj

Well-Known Member
Some people blame President Trump for all of this, get real. Trump did not cause this, and even if he did not manage it that well, Trump does not have that much power – but God does. The buck stops with God, Imo, so now all you atheists can pile on, and I will agree with you. .

I blame the jack arse for doing such a crappy job running the government. Of course he's not responsible for the virus. In South Korea in one week they are producing enough test kits to test 1 million people. Trump did absolutely awful job taking this virus seriously. The government should have been on top of this. But instead he's completely incompetent.

Trump pulled a Katrina: Bush declared four days after the storm, “I don’t think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees”

Is it any surprise when people who despise government and hate government for everything it stands for are not capable of doing the job when it matters? Trump dropped the ball big time. And millions of people may die because of his incompetence. This my opinion. I don't care what you think.
 

dfnj

Well-Known Member
No, God was not involved, I was just thinking out loud, wondering what happened.

I must have more reverence for God because I would never say God was involved.

I think viruses are just part of the landscape. Life is everything in all kinds of forms. Life evolves and changes forms everyday. Every virus has a vaccine. All this fear and suffering is just happiness fuel for when someone finds a cure.

I just wish the US was further up the curve in testing. So much fear going on right now. Everything is shutting down when maybe it's not as bad if we had testing. But without testing everyone is assuming the worse and freaking out. And you can't trust the mass media because it just wants to make money. And you can't trust Trump because Republicans are anti-Science.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
I blame the jack arse for doing such a crappy job running the government. Of course he's not responsible for the virus. In South Korea in one week they are producing enough test kits to test 1 million people. Trump did absolutely awful job taking this virus seriously. The government should have been on top of this. But instead he's completely incompetent.

Trump pulled a Katrina: Bush declared four days after the storm, “I don’t think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees”

Is it any surprise when people who despise government and hate government for everything it stands for are not capable of doing the job when it matters? Trump dropped the ball big time. And millions of people may die because of his incompetence. This my opinion. I don't care what you think.
I do not keep up on the news but no doubt Trump is responsible for how this situation was handled in the United States. I only meant that Trump was not responsible for what happened in other countries before the virus got over here..

Do you think that millions of people may die in this country because of his incompetence?

I tend to think things happen for a reason so maybe this happened so he would not get reelected.
 

Dan From Smithville

What's up Doc?
Staff member
Premium Member
No, I do not think that, but thanks for pointing out that we humans are no exception in terms of Nature and biology.
However, what happens to humans has more implications for the world than what happens to other creatures.
I wouldn't say that. If corn becomes extinct, we are going to notice that and it has some severe implications.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Or maybe they are trying to maximize the effect, and it is not as serious as they are making it out to be. How can we really know?
No, becoming a Bahai won't solve the Coronavirus problem.
However the other things humanity has done warranted punishment.
Well, more than 5,000 people have died and more than 150,000 are infected. Is that not serious enough?
Why would becoming Bahai will not solve the problem? Will Allah still have problems if people accept the idea of 'One Allah' and Bahaollah being his manifestation. What more problems can Allah have with people?
Like what? Not accepting the idea of Bahai Allah and Bahaollah being his manifestation?
 
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Trailblazer

Veteran Member
I must have more reverence for God because I would never say God was involved.

I think viruses are just part of the landscape. Life is everything in all kinds of forms. Life evolves and changes forms everyday. Every virus has a vaccine. All this fear and suffering is just happiness fuel for when someone finds a cure.

I just wish the US was further up the curve in testing. So much fear going on right now. Everything is shutting down
when maybe it's not as bad if we had testing. But without testing everyone is assuming the worse and freaking out.
And you can't trust the mass media because it just wants to make money. And you can't trust Trump because Republicans are anti-Science.
I have started to have more reverence now that I started this thread. I was simply confused because of all the panic in my state.

I read where some scientists in Canada might have discovered a vaccine, It was in the NY Times.
You said that every virus has a vaccine. What about AIDS?

If we had testing, would everyone get tested, and what if they contracted it after they tested negative?

"And you can't trust the mass media because it just wants to make money. And you can't trust Trump because Republicans are anti-Science"
Truer words were never spoken.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Well, more than 5,000 people have died and more than 125,000 are infected. Is that not serious enough?
Why would becoming Bahai will not solve the problem? Will Allah still have problems if people accept the idea of 'One Allah' and Bahaollah being his manifestation. What more problems can Allah have with people?
Like what? Not accepting the idea of Bahai Allah and Bahaollah being his manifestation?
Maybe it is serious in certain countries but that does not mean it is serious everywhere, but that does not mean we should not care about people in those countries.
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Why would becoming a Baha'i will solve the problem? This is a disease, so it has nothing to do with religion. I do not think Allah is angry. These things just happen in a material world.
 

amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
My academic background is psychology so I always analyze people and how they think and behave. But since I also have a religion and believe in God, I also wonder how God might be involved in anything that happens in the world, especially something like this which is unprecedented in modern history.

Psychology and the western Biblical god - the philosopher Theodore Roszak said in one lucid statement how psychology was not on speaking terms with ecology, and to that I add also the western God as not dealing much with it either. The relationship that these two items want to skirt is that between man and nature. Both things declare that nature is putty in man's hand, just detritus that gets in the way of growth - we cannot admit that this is not so.

We cannot steamroll over it for the sake of functionality and dominance. Whatever they were doing with the mishandling of animals to brew up the virus , that is man's lack of respect to the greater organism that we are a small part of. You might as well ask what role god played in massive oil spills or deforestation

What did humanity do to deserve this?

They didn't work together and humble themselves before the rules of the greater biological environment, which is actually above humans in the hierarchy of existence despite the egoistic claims of god and psychology

Why would God will this for humanity? Are we all guilty, not because of original sin, but because of something else?

Nature can simply be mishandled , it demands respect on many levels, some subtle and some not. We have the power to figure it out, but often fail
 
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