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Messianic Israelite · Mar 11, 2020

oldbadger said:
Oh dear
I reckon that if Jesus could then he would be standing with Greta, but that's just my opinion.

I don't think so oldbadger. Yahshua avoided getting involved in things which didn't concern his earthly mission of expounding on the Word of Yahweh. You might recall Luke 12:13, where someone says to Yahshua "Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me." and Yahshua rebuked him. He didn't get involved in such matters. None of the prophets did.

Rival · Mar 11, 2020

Messianic Israelite said:
I don't think so oldbadger. Yahshua avoided getting involved in things which didn't concern his earthly mission of expounding on the Word of Yahweh. You might recall Luke 12:13, where someone says to Yahshua "Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me." and Yahshua rebuked him. He didn't get involved in such matters. None of the prophets did.

Moshe did.

Shmuel did.

Nathan did.

exchemist · Mar 11, 2020

Messianic Israelite said:
Hi exchemist,
The Messiah taught that in the last days there would be famines, earthquakes and wars in Matthew 24:7. These things would be coming on to the world because of the transgression of the Biblical Law, but I fear that many are viewing the judgment that is upon us as simply 'global warming'. However, I realise completely that my 'simple' view that this is judgment, rather than just the effects of greenhouse gases, is met with reluctance. Let me put things another way. If the government were to find a way to turn all our vehicles in to green eco-friendly ones and put a stop to all harmful emissions, we *still* wouldn't able to escape the judgments prophesied on this earth to take place: storms, death, plagues, wars, earthquakes, droughts and famines.

Might I remind you that during Biblical times, even during the time of Abraham, millenia ago, droughts occurred when there was no global warming as there has been from the Industrial Revolution to today. You might recall the story of Joseph. That was an awful *world wide* drought in his day that lasted for 7 years (Genesis 41:54). I wonder, if a drought like that were to occur today, what would the people say? They would blame it on global warming and wouldn't repent of the evil of their doings, of sin (Revelation 9:20-21).

I know it's going to sound stupid, especially from an atheist perspective, but I believe this 'global warming' is a plot by Satan to distract us from the real reason why these evil things are happening to us. The only solution is to return back to the Bible and to seek Yahweh while he may be found and before it's too late (Isaiah 55:6-7). Look at what is going on with veganism. Many switch to veganism to reduce their impact on the environment. However, it is perfectly OK to eat kosher meat. Yahweh has the solution to climate change, not man. In order for us to receive that solution, we have to seek Him.

Indeed, global judgment is a man-made problem, but it won't be averted unless we keep the commandments of Yahweh.

I agree entirely. It most certainly does "sound stupid" - and not only from an "atheist perspective", but also that of anyone with a rudimentary understanding of science.

And I repeat: earthquakes are NOT increasing, as the link I provided demonstrates.

exchemist · Mar 11, 2020

Messianic Israelite said:
I don't think so oldbadger. Yahshua avoided getting involved in things which didn't concern his earthly mission of expounding on the Word of Yahweh. You might recall Luke 12:13, where someone says to Yahshua "Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me." and Yahshua rebuked him. He didn't get involved in such matters. None of the prophets did.

But He did heal the sick and He did encourage us to look after one another (Good Samaritan etc), both practical ways of improving life for people in this world.

exchemist · Mar 11, 2020

shmogie said:
In the early seventies, science told us the oil supply was exhausted. We were told that by the 90's there would not be any oil left to be had, anywhere.

In America, tiny cars came into fashion, like the Japanese were building.

No longer was a car measured by horsepower, or handling, MPG was the only criteria.

50 years later, the world is awash in oil.

Americans are once again enjoying high performance cars, with huge V-8's.

The rolling tin cans of the 70's, designed to stave off the inevitable last barrel of oil, are a nightmare of the past.

Science missed the call on available oil on a huge scale.

So tell me, if it was not science that led to the discovery of shale oil, what was responsible?

shmogie · Mar 11, 2020

exchemist said:
So tell me, if it was not science that led to the discovery of shale oil, what was responsible?

I have no problem with acknowledging the role of science re shale oil. Science has been responsible for a plethora of wonderful discoveries.

My point is that science has erred in making some predictions about some pretty consequential changes.

When science makes a prediction, it isn't an inerrant oracle doing so.

Further, some people get on the bandwagon, and misrepresent science. As an example, ex vice president Al Gore, a major champion of the popular weather change movement, has made predictions, that have fallen flat on their face. According to him, New York should be under at least two inches of seawater. It isn't.

Then we have the propaganda statement, 93% of all scientists agree on man made weather change.

I doubt 93% of all scientists were polled.

A geologist commenting on weather change would have no more value than my comments on the matter.

Climatologists are the ones best qualified to address the issue. I have heard some very well qualified ones dispute the current popular model of what and why on the matter.

Yet a shrill kid who is regurgitating what she has been taught is listened to, and climate scientists who buck the popular view are ignored.

exchemist · Mar 11, 2020

shmogie said:
I have no problem with acknowledging the role of science re shale oil. Science has been responsible for a plethora of wonderful discoveries.

My point is that science has erred in making some predictions about some pretty consequential changes.

When science makes a prediction, it isn't an inerrant oracle doing so.

Further, some people get on the bandwagon, and misrepresent science. As an example, ex vice president Al Gore, a major champion of the popular weather change movement, has made predictions, that have fallen flat on their face. According to him, New York should be under at least two inches of seawater. It isn't.

Then we have the propaganda statement, 93% of all scientists agree on man made weather change.

I doubt 93% of all scientists were polled.

A geologist commenting on weather change would have no more value than my comments on the matter.

Climatologists are the ones best qualified to address the issue. I have heard some very well qualified ones dispute the current popular model of what and why on the matter.

Yet a shrill kid who is regurgitating what she has been taught is listened to, and climate scientists who buck the popular view are ignored.

Nobody sensible claims science to be inerrant -it's always work in progress. However the "shrill kid" is articulating what >90% of the world's climate scientists believe is happening. So it seems fairly reasonable to think there is good chance, if not 100% certainty, that these scientists are not far off being right.

Since, if they are right, the consequences are dreadful, it seems at least prudent to pay attention to the "shrill kid", especially since she and her peers will be around to reap the whirlwind people of your generation and mine are sowing, if the science is right.

oldbadger · Mar 11, 2020

shmogie said:
This was half a century ago. The oil din't run out, it won't for a long, long time.
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I have invested a lot of money to make my home completely solar powered. In addition, I generate extra power that I sell to the electric company, so they can reduce their carbon foot print.

Contradicting paragraphs, eh?

The sooner that the World listens to the ecologists, and the young like Greta, so the better our descendant's chances will be.

oldbadger · Mar 11, 2020

Messianic Israelite said:
I don't think so oldbadger. Yahshua avoided getting involved in things which didn't concern his earthly mission of expounding on the Word of Yahweh. You might recall Luke 12:13, where someone says to Yahshua "Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me." and Yahshua rebuked him. He didn't get involved in such matters. None of the prophets did.

Yeshua's mission? Yeshua's mission was the Baptist's mission, picked up after his arrest.
And Yeshua sure did get involved with and about the corruption and disloyalty of the Priesthood and in the Temple. And he sure would have got involved with the corruption in the World today. And the World's dirt would be high on the agenda.
I've got my own opinions about what Yeshua's real mission was. :- Suffer the little children......

pearl · Mar 11, 2020

shmogie said:
Further, some people get on the bandwagon, and misrepresent science. As an example, ex vice president Al Gore, a major champion of the popular weather change movement, has made predictions, that have fallen flat on their face. According to him, New York should be under at least two inches of seawater. It isn't.

Sea Level Rise - NYS Dept. of Environmental Conservation

shmogie · Mar 11, 2020

pcarl said:
Sea Level Rise - NYS Dept. of Environmental Conservation

Yep. Not what Gore predicted.

McBell · Mar 11, 2020

shmogie said:
Yep. Not what Gore predicted.

please tell me you do not think Al Gore is a scientist...

shmogie · Mar 11, 2020

oldbadger said:
Contradicting paragraphs, eh?

The sooner that the World listens to the ecologists, and the young like Greta, so the better our descendant's chances will be.

They aren't contradictory, both are facts.

shmogie · Mar 11, 2020

Mestemia said:
please tell me you do not think Al Gore is a scientist...

You missed, in the thread, where I spoke specifically of propagandists who speak scientifically, but are not scientists

McBell · Mar 11, 2020

shmogie said:
You missed, in the thread, where I spoke specifically of propagandists who speak scientifically, but are not scientists

Yes I did.
My apologies.

dfnj · Mar 11, 2020

Notanumber said:
It is obvious how the corporate media are manipulating some of us.
The video that you linked to does sum up the tactics of the Climate Change propagandists.
We have the BBC in the UK that is one of the major propagandists.
Only one side of the story is allowed to be broadcast to the masses.
“The point is to make the masses demand of the government what the government has already decide to do. If it follows this procedure, the government can no longer be called authoritarian, because the will of the people demands what is being done.”, holds true because of the way our children are being used as political pawns.
The Left cannot stand counter arguments so they shutdown free speech.

You are completely wrong about the left. The left is always trying to build consensus which is why they always compromise with Republicans. The right never compromises. For the right it's the right's way or the highway. People are the right genuinely do not believe in democracy. People on the right want STRONG authoritarian leadership. The biggest bully in the room is the one in charge. The last thing the right want is to do give respect to Democrats or any minority opinion. People on the right think their opinions are facts. While opposing facts are consider lies or opinions.

Let me explain how it works and why you are being so manipulated. Some cable news outlet will run a story. If you find yourself getting angry or experiencing any emotion at all this is how they set you up to be programmed. You are now frothing at the mouth because of some outrageous lie or stretch of the truth. Something like welfare mothers are now getting $70,000 cars from the federal government. Once you are angry or emotional they pull you in and then they do their magic. They give you commentary not facts. They give you opinions not facts. They pretend these opinions are facts when they are not. The opinions they give you will most likely have NOTHING to do with the original story that got you angry in the first place. It doesn't matter. Once you are in an emotional state your brain is now opened to be programmed with opinions and how they want you to think. And later on you will think it is all your own ideas popping into your head!

You are being manipulated in thinking the left is organized and intelligent. On the left, it's pure chaos with nobody in charge. You need to look in the mirror the next time you try criticizing the left. You only hate and criticize in other people what you do not like about your own character. The BEST thing about the left is no one is in charge!

Besides, what you say makes absolutely no sense on the surface. Corporations are not leftist organizations trying to create an egalitarian society where the worker making the median wage has power and dignity. When was the last time you heard CNN try to organize a strike? I think you need to rethink your ideas. If you want true leftist commentary take look at:

Truthout | Fearless Independent News & Analysis

and

Mother Jones Magazine

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." Benito Mussolini

Corporations ARE the government. The billionaires and CEOs pay the lobbyists to force or entice the politicians to pass laws creating monopolies and cartels in exchange for campaign financing. We are about as far to the right a government can go and still have a government currency worth a shred of value. This curve proves I am right:

Quandl

I am just amazed by how far turned around you are. Honestly, it's really hard to imagine that you think we have a leftist government. Do you really think workers are about to start owning the factories they work at? Absolutely not. Here's better assessment of our government than your programmed way of thinking:

I just can't get over how wrong you are in your thinking. But of course it really doesn't matter what I think anyway. George Carlin is right: "It's never going to change and it's never going to get better."

dfnj · Mar 11, 2020

Notanumber said:
The Left cannot stand counter arguments so they shutdown free speech.

This is not true. Politicians on the left are always compromising with the Republicans. Politicians on the left want medicare for all. Instead we ended up with the ACA after the compromise. And then when Republicans get back in power and gut the ACA as if it never passed. So in the end the Republicans Always get what they want.

The right is just as bad as the left. If you think otherwise you are being delusional. Nobody cares about what Greta thinks. It's all about preserving Big Oil's power. Greta is pretty much irrelevant anyway. Any serious alternative to Big Oil burning fossil fuel pollution is not going to come from the United States. China, India, and Japan are spending billions to stop giving trillions to Saudi Arabia and Big Oil:

China spending US$3.3 billion on molten salt nuclear reactors for faster aircraft carriers and in flying drones – NextBigFuture.com

The first country to wean itself off of fossil fuels will be the richest country in the World 10 times over!

oldbadger · Mar 12, 2020

shmogie said:
They aren't contradictory, both are facts.

This morning we heard that the melting of the ice sheets over Greenland and the Poles has been accelerating and that sea levels have now begun to rise, only by 17mm so far, but that a rise of 1 -1.5 meters can be expected over the next century.

As long as we keep listening to the brains of the World then our descendants might have a chance.

Samantha Rinne · Mar 12, 2020

Faithofchristian said:
The first mentioning of climate change came about in America was by Democrats back in 1971. As a scare tactic to get more votes by the younger generation... I was 20-21 at that time.
When climate change was first heard about..but before this no one ever heard anything about a climate change and really didn't know what climate change was.
But even then it didn't work out so great for the Democrats.

Even back then Democrats were saying the earth would end in 15 to 20 years but here we are 2020 and the earth is still here and doing just fine.
Now comes the democrats again saying the earth will end in 20 years.
It seems the only time people hear about Climate Change here in America is every 4 years during the Presidential elections and no other time.
If climate change is to be that all important why every 4 years?

Back during last summer Democrats were all keyed up about climate change once again.
But here we are in the middle of March and not one word from Democrats about climate change.
Now if climate change is to be that all important. Would it not be logical to keep speaking about climate change or hearing about climate change. Week to week.month to month and year to year..but as it is only every 4 years and only during the Presidential elections here in America....
I always found this to be rather particular how climate change was only talk about only during the Presidential elections and no other time here in America and only during the Presidential elections here in America.
If climate change is to be all that far important.
As the democrats claim it to be..Why is that???

Congress woman AOC back last summer came out with the most unethical answer about climate change.
She said cow farts has the most effect on climate change.Lol
She also said cars,trucks, train's and jet planes all should be taken away..but yet she stills flying by jet planes.Lol
But now since AOC was confronted by her still flying on jet planes and driving a car..
Now she's not saying a word about anything more about climate change..
What's up with all that What's that all about?

Actually this is incorrect. Climate alarmism of one sort or another goes back (at least) to Great Gatsby, where one of the characters the Earth was warming and would one day fall into the sun.

And the Bible itself has some passages about being co-creators with God, and being good stewards of the creation. The diiference between that an secular climate paranoia is that the Bible actually has some morality to it, while secular climate stuff aligns itself with the Dragon with seven heards and ten horns (globalism and ten kindoms) that wants to tax the carbon we exhale and micromanage ppls' lives.

oldbadger · Mar 12, 2020

Samantha Rinne said:
And the Bible itself has some passages about being co-creators with God, and being good stewards of the creation.

So why do so many Christians ignore this guidance?

The diiference between that an secular climate paranoia is that the Bible actually has some morality to it, while secular climate stuff aligns itself with the Dragon with seven heards and ten horns (globalism and ten kindoms) that wants to tax the carbon we exhale and micromanage ppls' lives.

Christianity really did (and does) micro-manage people's lives as well as their thoughts, you know.

And to deny how the climate is changing now is rather like doing what Nero did, playing the lute while his great city burned.

The Greenland and polar ice sheets are melting away so fast now.

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