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Is Jesus just another sun god in a long list of sun Gods

dfnj

Well-Known Member
I know some people hate watching videos but I could not find a transcript of this one. This actually the second version of this video. The first version had a very negative message about Christianity at the end of the video. This new video does not make a judgment one way or the other:


I find this video extremely fascinating. The mythology of Jesus as a sun god closely matches previous mythologies.

My question to the devout Christians on this board does this video strengthen your faith or weaken it?

I think you can make the case either way. The previous sun gods probably do not have the died for your sins part. But it's just fascinating how the story of Jesus has so many parallels to previous sun god mythologies.
 

leov

Well-Known Member
I know some people hate watching videos but I could not find a transcript of this one. This actually the second version of this video. The first version had a very negative message about Christianity at the end of the video. This new video does not make a judgment one way or the other:


I find this video extremely fascinating. The mythology of Jesus as a sun god closely matches previous mythologies.

My question to the devout Christians on this board does this video strengthen your faith or weaken it?

I think you can make the case either way. The previous sun gods probably do not have the died for your sins part. But it's just fascinating how the story of Jesus has so many parallels to previous sun god mythologies.
Jesus is archetype of a Man Who found God within Self.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
I know some people hate watching videos but I could not find a transcript of this one. This actually the second version of this video. The first version had a very negative message about Christianity at the end of the video. This new video does not make a judgment one way or the other:


I find this video extremely fascinating. The mythology of Jesus as a sun god closely matches previous mythologies.

My question to the devout Christians on this board does this video strengthen your faith or weaken it?

I think you can make the case either way. The previous sun gods probably do not have the died for your sins part. But it's just fascinating how the story of Jesus has so many parallels to previous sun god mythologies.

Brother, this is an age-old line of thought where parallels are spoken of as if they are definite plagiarism.

I am not a Christian and I am not here to defend the theology, but its wrong to affirm things based on parallels.

I hope you understand.
 
I find this video extremely fascinating. The mythology of Jesus as a sun god closely matches previous mythologies.

Read up on Horus et al. See how many of the things the video claims about them are actually to be true.

To start with Horus' "virgin" birth involves Isis making a magical golden wang for Osiris after his original John Thomas got eaten by a fish. "Virgin" births and husbands with magical golden schlongs tend not to be the most logical of combinations :fearscream::eggplant:
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Read up on Horus et al. See how many of the things the video claims about them are actually to be true.

To start with Horus' "virgin" birth involves Isis making a magical golden wang for Osiris after his original John Thomas got eaten by a fish. "Virgin" births and husbands with magical golden schlongs tend not to be the most logical of combinations :fearscream::eggplant:
I actually burst out laughing reading this.

And God knows where you found the aubergine. Respect! :D
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member

exchemist

Veteran Member
I know some people hate watching videos but I could not find a transcript of this one. This actually the second version of this video. The first version had a very negative message about Christianity at the end of the video. This new video does not make a judgment one way or the other:


I find this video extremely fascinating. The mythology of Jesus as a sun god closely matches previous mythologies.

My question to the devout Christians on this board does this video strengthen your faith or weaken it?

I think you can make the case either way. The previous sun gods probably do not have the died for your sins part. But it's just fascinating how the story of Jesus has so many parallels to previous sun god mythologies.
I gave up after a few minutes. The tendentious and unevidenced assertions seem to start within 30 seconds.

I strongly suspect it's a crock and have not the patience to endure a quarter of an hour of it. But if you have some material to read, about all this, I will give that a go, at least.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
. The previous sun gods probably do not have the died for your sins part. But it's just fascinating how the story of Jesus has so many parallels to previous sun god mythologies.

True. Every counterfeit has some truth to it. But there is still one which is the real one. After all, Jesus created the sun.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
...I think you can make the case either way. The previous sun gods probably do not have the died for your sins part. But it's just fascinating how the story of Jesus has so many parallels to previous sun god mythologies.

Person who says Jesus is sun God, has not read, or understood what Bible tells. According to the Bible, there is only one true God that is greater than Jesus. The whole idea of sun god Jesus collapses to that.

This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3

…the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Timothy 2:5
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
I know some people hate watching videos but I could not find a transcript of this one. This actually the second version of this video. The first version had a very negative message about Christianity at the end of the video. This new video does not make a judgment one way or the other:


I find this video extremely fascinating. The mythology of Jesus as a sun god closely matches previous mythologies.

My question to the devout Christians on this board does this video strengthen your faith or weaken it?

I think you can make the case either way. The previous sun gods probably do not have the died for your sins part. But it's just fascinating how the story of Jesus has so many parallels to previous sun god mythologies.
Many claims about Horus and other gods have been debunked before. The trick is to redefine the myths in Christian terminology. But most claims don't really hold up under closer inspection. It's atheistic propaganda.

As for Jesus being like a so called sun god. I suggest E W Bullinger's "The Witness of the Stars"

We believe the Bible that claims the stars witness the creation and existence of God. So, the constellations etc. have been telling the gospel story since the beginning of the world.

See Psalm 19:1-6

The sun has always been symbolic of the Son of God who is called the "bridegroom". The moon is symbolic of the "bride of Christ" who is the church or the new Jerusalem. Also the constellation virgo(virgin) which is obvious.

For example Revelation 12:1 is about the constellation virgo lining up with the sun and appearing above the moon. This event actually happened a few years ago.

The ancient religions of the near east and elsewhere based their religion on the constellations and stars. The sun and the moon. The similarities of their religion with Christianity/Judaism have to do with the fact that we all are going off the same stars. The same 12 zodiac signs. It seems that in ancient times there was more knowledge on what the constellations represented but that knowledge was morphed by different cultures as time went on.
 

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
*sigh*

Can Zeitgeist just die already? It's a load of bollocks.

Zeitgeist, the movie Debunked - Introduction - Zeitgeist Exposed - Skeptic Project


Edited to add - that's not to say Christian mythology wasn't built upon Pagan mythology (all cultural movements are built upon their contemporaries to some degree), but at least get the Pagan mythology right for gods sakes...
A very apt description of the video in the OP would be:

Zeitgeist: Readers Digest Condensed Version​
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
I know some people hate watching videos but I could not find a transcript of this one. This actually the second version of this video. The first version had a very negative message about Christianity at the end of the video. This new video does not make a judgment one way or the other:


I find this video extremely fascinating. The mythology of Jesus as a sun god closely matches previous mythologies.

My question to the devout Christians on this board does this video strengthen your faith or weaken it?

I think you can make the case either way. The previous sun gods probably do not have the died for your sins part. But it's just fascinating how the story of Jesus has so many parallels to previous sun god mythologies.

I liked that video very much because it allows us to see that the many mythologies all have the same themes. All then must have originated from the same source.

Have you ever heard of the illustration of how to hide a 40ft tree out in the middle of a cleared field?

The thing is, you can't. But if you have time up your sleeve, all you need to do is plant a forest of similar looking trees all around the original tree, and after some time as the trees grow, it becomes increasingly difficult to find the original tree. This is what the devil did with God's truth. He planted all manner of 'look-alikes' in the hope of creating confusion....and he has succeeded (2 Corinthians 4:3-4). But he has never been able to fool God's faithful ones...those who have a genuine love for the truth. (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12)

Satan is God's powerful enemy, who is aware of all that must take place, especially with the role of God's son, and as this video has demonstrated, he has planted a forest of fakes all around the original, so that the light of truth will not be obvious. The biggest fake of all is Christendom.

In seeing all the similarities of the mythologies with Christendom's version of Christianity, it is plain to see where they get their beliefs. The thing is, none of them line up with the Christianity that Jesus taught....the one that is in the Bible.

First of all the "virgin birth" was foretold in Isaiah and according to the gospel accounts Mary was chosen as the one who would become mother to God's son. She could not have been a married woman because then the lineage of God's son could be put down to a natural means of conception, which, with Jesus, was not the case. The various mythologies that sprang up around Mary are in line with paganism, not the Bible. The Roman Catholic church is the prime promoter of the sun god myths. Mary is not given undue honor in the scriptures, but humbly accepted her assignment, and she and her husband raised the child in a devout Jewish household with many siblings.

The "three wise men" are not in the Bible either, nor were they kings.....the account in Matthew does not mention a number, but only that magi brought three gifts for the new "king of the Jews". They were Babylonian astrologers, whose custom it was to bring gifts to royal children. The star was not sent by God, but by the devil as a means to destroy the child before he could ever assume his role as savior. It guided them to a jealous king, rather than to where Jesus was. Herod hatched a plot to do away with him. So none of Christendom's claims gels with the Bible account. Christendom's nativity scene has three wise men at the stable....they were never there. God revealed his son's birth to Jewish shepherds who were tending their flocks "out of doors", something they would never have done in the cold and sometimes snowy months of winter, proving that December 25th was not the date of Jesus' birth.

The cross, said to be the implement of Christ's execution is not in the Bible either. The configuration of that "stauros" is not mentioned. A stauros is a single upright stake, not a cross of any description.

The resurrection of Jesus had to take place because he had to return to heaven to assume his position at God's right hand....he was the Logos, God's spokesman, missing from heaven for 33 and a half years whilst he carried out his mission on earth. Nothing in God's timetable needed an equinox except the dates on a calendar to separate the seasons. As agriculturalists they relied on the calendar for their planting and harvesting.....nor did they need the constellations of heaven to explain God's purpose concerning his son. It was all written in the scriptures.

Sun worship in the Roman Catholic church is very obvious to this day....from the Egyptian obelisk in St Peter's Square representing the sun god Ra.... to the monstrance used in celebrating Mass at the Vatican. There are depictions of the sun found everywhere in the Vatican. The Romans were worshippers of Zeus....so they simply turned Zeus into Jesus....and then converted their pagan beliefs and celebrations into ones that were smeared with a thin veneer of truth and a change of names so that they carried an appearance of "Christianity".

It has been said that the devil is a good mimic...whatever God sets up, he creates a counterfeit. You don't need to examine every counterfeit to discern which is real....you just have to know exactly what the original looked like and compare....then the counterfeits become obvious.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Is Jesus just another sun god in a long list of sun Gods?

It is wrong concept. Jesus never claimed to be as such.
Right, please?

Regards
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
Nobody in Rome ever claimed that the records of the census of Cyrinus were extant there in the fourth century, and much less that Christ's birthday was registered in the lists. In fact, it was expressly stated in Rome that the actual date of the Saviour's birth was unknown and that different traditions prevailed in different parts of the world.

A second explanation was of theological-symbolic character. Since the Bible calls the Messiah the "Sun of Justice" (Malachi 4:2), it was argued that His birth had to coincide with the beginning of a new solar cycle, that is, He had to be born at the time of the winter solstice. A confirmation of this opinion was sought in the Bible, by way of reckoning six months from the annunciation of John the Baptist (which was assumed to have happened on September 24) and thus arriving at March 25 as the day of the Incarnation. Nine months later, on December 25, would then be the birthday of the Lord. This explanation, though attractive in itself, depends on too many assumptions that cannot be proved and lacks any basis of historical certitude.
There remains then this explanation, which is the most probable one, and held by most scholars in our time: the choice of December 25 was influenced by the fact that the Romans, from the time of Emperor Aurelian (275), had celebrated the feast of the sun god ("Sol Invictus": the Unconquered Sun) on that day. December 25 was called the "Birthday of the Sun," and great pagan religious celebrations of the Mithras cult were held all through the empire. What was more natural than that the Christians celebrate the birth of Him Who was the "Light of the World" and the true "Sun of Justice" on this very day? The popes seem to have chosen December 25 precisely for the purpose of inspiring the people to turn from the worship of a material sun to the adoration of Christ the Lord. This thought is indicated in various writings of contemporary authors.

Library : History & Origin: Feast of the Nativity
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I know some people hate watching videos but I could not find a transcript of this one. This actually the second version of this video. The first version had a very negative message about Christianity at the end of the video. This new video does not make a judgment one way or the other:


I find this video extremely fascinating. The mythology of Jesus as a sun god closely matches previous mythologies.

My question to the devout Christians on this board does this video strengthen your faith or weaken it?

I think you can make the case either way. The previous sun gods probably do not have the died for your sins part. But it's just fascinating how the story of Jesus has so many parallels to previous sun god mythologies.

I believe it does not affect my beliefs a bit.

I believe there is no such thing. I believe God saw to it that the facts would be reported.

I believe there is no reference in the Bible to that affect which means that it is a fantasy.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Read up on Horus et al. See how many of the things the video claims about them are actually to be true.

To start with Horus' "virgin" birth involves Isis making a magical golden wang for Osiris after his original John Thomas got eaten by a fish. "Virgin" births and husbands with magical golden schlongs tend not to be the most logical of combinations :fearscream::eggplant:

I believe if there is a wang involved it isn't a virgin birth.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
I don't think he is literally a sun god but there is certainly a lot of sun deity symbolism used for Jesus. It's another result of Greco-Roman religion's influence on Christianity.
 

leov

Well-Known Member
I believe it is the other way around. It is God who makes His presence known.
In ultimate stare it is one. But before, it is evolution of consciousness, you can follow a archetype even not knowing it, just understanding right and wrong...God makes it known, you should recognize it if you care.
 
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