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Ten horn kingdom of the beast are nephilim bloodlines?

74x12

74x12

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I've believed for some time that the ten horns which are called in the Bible ten "kings" are possibly 10 nephilim bloodlines(illuminati whatever, just know they are not fully human genetically speaking) They will be ruling the world when the Antichrist finally comes to power.

Daniel 7:24
And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

Revelation 13:1
And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

What do you think the 10 horns are?
 
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Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

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74x12 said:
I've believed for some time that the ten horns which are called in the Bible ten "kings" are possibly 10 nephilim bloodlines(illuminati whatever, just know they are not fully human genetically speaking) They will be ruling the world when the Antichrist finally comes to power.

Daniel 7:24
And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

Revelation 13:1
And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

What do you think the 10 horns are?
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The ten horns most probably refer to the Kingdoms/ (later)Nations of Europe. And yes, I suspect you are correct that their Divine Right to rule belief was based on their ancestral linage to the great rulers of old which in turn leads back to the Nephilim.

If you are interested 74x12, I am happy to explore ideas on the prophecy surrounding the beast/s of Revelation and Book of Daniel as it pertains to this time? So what and who is the second beast of Revelation and does Daniel also refer to it but under a different symbol?
 
74x12

74x12

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ben d said:
The ten horns most probably refer to the Kingdoms/ (later)Nations of Europe. And yes, I suspect you are correct that their Divine Right to rule belief was based on their ancestral linage to the great rulers of old which in turn leads back to the Nephilim.
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Some of these families may indeed be involved.
ben d said:
If you are interested 74x12, I am happy to explore ideas on the prophecy surrounding the beast/s of Revelation and Book of Daniel as it pertains to this time? So what and who is the second beast of Revelation and does Daniel also refer to it but under a different symbol?
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By the "second beast" do you mean the beast like a lamb with two horns?
 
74x12

74x12

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ben d said:
Yes, the beast with two horns like a lamb.
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The popular belief is that this is the so called "false prophet". Many people believe it will be the pope or already is the pope.

I really like to focus on the symbolism. So he's speaking like a dragon which is to mean he speaks like Satan even though his appearance is one of innocence. I'm not sure what the two horns represent. We know in the case of Daniel's vision of a ram with two horns the two horns were likely for the Medes and Persians. This might be something similar. Someone might even think there is a connection. Iranians do believe in the so called Mahdi.

The fact he talks like a dragon also reminds me of how the so called "little horn" of Daniel's vision speaks.

Anyway let me know your thoughts because I'm open to all kinds of views on this.

My personal opinion is that the image of the beast this lamb beast causes people to worship will probably be an artificial intelligence. AI is the future of governance in my opinion. I mean they want to replace human governance with AI. From a purely secular point of view this makes a lot of sense. If you can do away with human government then you can do away with a lot of nonsense and red tape. If there was an AI smart enough ... then it could solve many problems and do away with much needless bureaucracy. Furthermore it could judge court cases supposedly without bias.

However, we have to consider that this AI is only as fair as they who make it want it to be. And it will clearly be evil. If they allow it to evolve "sentience" by itself through studying knowledge accumulated on the net then this alone could make it evil because people are evil. So it's just going to learn evil from us. Then you have the idea that it could also be demonically possessed. I don't know if demons possess machines but I could believe it. Then if it truly becomes sentient or at least mimics sentience ... then we have the old sin of pride that could arise. If you're a super intelligent AI you may think yourself a god too.

Finally, since it will likely be a quantum computer it's likely going to be involving itself in forces that even our greatest physicists barely begin to understand. This may include time travel or at least knowledge of the future.

In any case without the permission of this AI it will likely be impossible in the future to access the internet. Which means you won't be able to access your bank account which in the near future could be digital only and for many people it already is. This way they will have complete control over everyone. Further this AI will know everything about everyone and will be able to recognize people instantly. The AI may be able to manifest itself with hologram technology to appear as a human like being. This would explain why it's called the "image" of the beast and yet is able to talk and appear as if alive.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
74x12 said:
The popular belief is that this is the so called "false prophet". Many people believe it will be the pope or already is the pope.

I really like to focus on the symbolism. So he's speaking like a dragon which is to mean he speaks like Satan even though his appearance is one of innocence. I'm not sure what the two horns represent. We know in the case of Daniel's vision of a ram with two horns the two horns were likely for the Medes and Persians. This might be something similar. Someone might even think there is a connection. Iranians do believe in the so called Mahdi.

The fact he talks like a dragon also reminds me of how the so called "little horn" of Daniel's vision speaks.

Anyway let me know your thoughts because I'm open to all kinds of views on this.

My personal opinion is that the image of the beast this lamb beast causes people to worship will probably be an artificial intelligence. AI is the future of governance in my opinion. I mean they want to replace human governance with AI. From a purely secular point of view this makes a lot of sense. If you can do away with human government then you can do away with a lot of nonsense and red tape. If there was an AI smart enough ... then it could solve many problems and do away with much needless bureaucracy. Furthermore it could judge court cases supposedly without bias.

However, we have to consider that this AI is only as fair as they who make it want it to be. And it will clearly be evil. If they allow it to evolve "sentience" by itself through studying knowledge accumulated on the net then this alone could make it evil because people are evil. So it's just going to learn evil from us. Then you have the idea that it could also be demonically possessed. I don't know if demons possess machines but I could believe it. Then if it truly becomes sentient or at least mimics sentience ... then we have the old sin of pride that could arise. If you're a super intelligent AI you may think yourself a god too.

Finally, since it will likely be a quantum computer it's likely going to be involving itself in forces that even our greatest physicists barely begin to understand. This may include time travel or at least knowledge of the future.

In any case without the permission of this AI it will likely be impossible in the future to access the internet. Which means you won't be able to access your bank account which in the near future could be digital only and for many people it already is. This way they will have complete control over everyone. Further this AI will know everything about everyone and will be able to recognize people instantly. The AI may be able to manifest itself with hologram technology to appear as a human like being. This would explain why it's called the "image" of the beast and yet is able to talk and appear as if alive.
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I understand the meaning of the symbolism of the four beasts of Daniel, with a total of seven heads, the last of which has ten horns represents the emergence over time of the different kingdoms of Earth's history and in turn represents the same story as does the single beast with seven heads, the last of which has ten horns, that we see in Revelation. Now I see the symbolism of the little horn of Daniel that rises up and overthrows three of the ten horns of the last kingdom represents the same meaning as the rise of the second beast with two horns like a lamb that becomes the antichrist of Revelation. Iow, Little horn = Second beast = Anti-Christ..

To keep our discussion clear, perhaps we can take our time and deal with single issues each post, in this case the Second Beast. I too am just putting things out there on these matters and my present understanding is not set in concrete. Thank you for your input, I feel the time is drawing near for the fulfillment of these prophecies..
 
74x12

74x12

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ben d said:
I understand the meaning of the symbolism of the four beasts of Daniel, with a total of seven heads, the last of which has ten horns represents the emergence over time of the different kingdoms of Earth's history and in turn represents the same story as does the single beast with seven heads, the last of which has ten horns, that we see in Revelation. Now I see the symbolism of the little horn of Daniel that rises up and overthrows three of the ten horns of the last kingdom represents the same meaning as the rise of the second beast with two horns like a lamb that becomes the antichrist of Revelation. Iow, Little horn = Second beast = Anti-Christ..

To keep our discussion clear, perhaps we can take our time and deal with single issues each post, in this case the Second Beast. I too am just putting things out there on these matters and my present understanding is not set in concrete. Thank you for your input, I feel the time is drawing near for the fulfillment of these prophecies..
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I agree; Daniel and John saw the same beast. Except Daniel saw it as 4 and John saw it as 1. Important to see the difference between the 1st beast and the one who comes in Revelation 17:3 who ascends out of the bottomless pit and is now scarlet in color. The first beast was like a leopard rather than scarlet and comes out of the sea rather than the bottomless pit. So this 2nd coming shows a definite change. An unholy baptism or resurrection of the demonic variety. The healing of the deadly wound.

As for the little horn being the beast like a lamb. I would say the similarities are striking. Many people might say otherwise but if you just compare the two prophecies they are really similar. So you may be on to something.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

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74x12 said:
I agree; Daniel and John saw the same beast. Except Daniel saw it as 4 and John saw it as 1. Important to see the difference between the 1st beast and the one who comes in Revelation 17:3 who ascends out of the bottomless pit and is now scarlet in color. The first beast was like a leopard rather than scarlet and comes out of the sea rather than the bottomless pit. So this 2nd coming shows a definite change. An unholy baptism or resurrection of the demonic variety. The healing of the deadly wound.

As for the little horn being the beast like a lamb. I would say the similarities are striking. Many people might say otherwise but if you just compare the two prophecies they are really similar. So you may be on to something.
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I had always assumed the scarlet beast with seven heads and ten horns was the same beast as we have been discussing, and that the whore of Babylon riding on it was a new entity which we can explore as to what she represents as we go along. But first I will need a little time to reconsider what you are suggesting, that this red beast is a separate entity.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

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Ok, in Revelation 12 we see the symbol of a red dragon with seven heads and ten horns in heaven prior to being cast down to planet Earth. Imho, this symbolism is a prophetic one in that the red dragon which represents the Devil/Satan which once it is trapped on Earth, as time unfolds and humanity expands and develops, corrupts the Nephilim Emperors of old as explained in Daniel 7 about the four beasts, seven heads, ten horns, (and the little horn). We agree that this linage represented by the four beasts of Daniel is the same as the seven headed beast of Revelation 13.

So what I am seeing is the evolution of Satan slowly being able to express itself through corrupting the souls/minds of the kingdoms of human history until the Second Coming of Jesus, and the subsequent judgement time of Satan, Beast, anti-Christ, Whore of Babylon and corrupt/deceived humanity.

Thus using the symbolism of a scarlet beast in Revelation 17 on which the Whore rode, is to imply that underlying this seven headed ten horned beast is Satan himself, the seven headed ten horned Red Dragon of Revelation 12.
 
74x12

74x12

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ben d said:
Ok, in Revelation 12 we see the symbol of a red dragon with seven heads and ten horns in heaven prior to being cast down to planet Earth. Imho, this symbolism is a prophetic one in that the red dragon which represents the Devil/Satan which once it is trapped on Earth, as time unfolds and humanity expands and develops, corrupts the Nephilim Emperors of old as explained in Daniel 7 about the four beasts, seven heads, ten horns, (and the little horn). We agree that this linage represented by the four beasts of Daniel is the same as the seven headed beast of Revelation 13.

So what I am seeing is the evolution of Satan slowly being able to express itself through corrupting the souls/minds of the kingdoms of human history until the Second Coming of Jesus, and the subsequent judgement time of Satan, Beast, anti-Christ, Whore of Babylon and corrupt/deceived humanity.

Thus using the symbolism of a scarlet beast in Revelation 17 on which the Whore rode, is to imply that underlying this seven headed ten horned beast is Satan himself, the seven headed ten horned Red Dragon of Revelation 12.
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What do you think of the color red being linked with communism? Historically that is their color of choice.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

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74x12 said:
What do you think of the color red being linked with communism? Historically that is their color of choice.
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Of course, we are looking at prophecy, the source knows precisely what is going to happen, red is the color chosen for the left wing communistic ideology. Btw, imho wrt the prophetic dream in Daniel, the clay and iron of the feet that will not cling to each other are the left and right wing of government ideologies of the world. The iron is the right wing party of modern politics which is residual from the laws of the kingdom of iron. So Satan has chosen left wing socialism/communism as the ideology to use to deceive sufficient numbers of humanity into thinking it is in their interests, and thus try and take over planetary rule.
 
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