Why Didn't the Holy Spirit Know?

rrobs · Mar 1, 2020

KenS said:
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God

Romans 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

You might want to start all over again,.

I don't think I was clear enough in that post. The key word in "man part" is "part" which is never mentioned in the scriptures. As you said, there are several verses that say Jesus was a man. He was a lamb without blemish from among the flock, which is what the law required. Jesus and Adam both started out without a sin nature, but it only took Adam one act of disobedience to lose that perfection. Jesus could just as easily have lost his perfection, in which case we'd still be waiting for redemption from sin and death. He was tempted just like you and I. I sure don't feel like I'm God when tempted. Neither did Jesus.

The point is that Jesus obeyed God 100% of the time. He never missed a beat. Even obeyed to the cross. He knew he'd be beaten more than any other man (Isaiah maybe???), and die a most gruesome death. Not that he was real keen on the idea. He asked God 3 times to take the cup away from him. Of course he ended up saying, "not my will but thine be done."

Making Jesus out to be God deprecates his true accomplishment. I mean, would anybody think it a big deal for God to obey Himself, believe Himself that he'd raise Himself from death? He's God, it'd be a cake walk for Him. A very boring story. But for a man to do all of that is another story altogether. Truly the story of the ages. If only Trinitarians had a small glimpse of what they are missing, the church would be a different animal. God could bless the church so much more if they only worshiped Him as the one true God. They would also follow Jesus much closer, knowing that they can do the works he did because we can hope to follow a man. Good luck trying to follow the example of God! Would we start by creating another universe maybe?

rrobs · Mar 1, 2020

Faithofchristian said:
What you given in the book of Acts 1:5..has nothing at all to do with John 3:1-10.
can you at least stay with the progam.to what is being spoken of in John 3:1-10.

As there is no where in John 3:1-10..that neither Jesus nor Nicodemus said anything about water baptism.

you do as all those other Christians do is run to other parts of bible..
And not stay with the subject and article at hand to what is being talk about in
John 3:1-10.
So please by all means show as to where in John 3:1-10 as to where Jesus and Nicodemus said anything about water baptism..can you do that.
I'm asking politely.

Well, I didn't deny anything you said. No, I don't believe they were not speaking of water baptism. Jesus was talking about being born from above. That was a natural lead into the book of Acts, particularly the part of getting baptized in holy spirit which occurred for the first time in the book of Acts.

Not that I mind, but I can't help but notice that John 3:1-10 has nothing to do with the original post. You didn't stay with the subject. I wouldn't go so far as to say all Christians do that, but you sure did. I also asked a question politely. Hopefully I at least began to answer yours. Take care.

URAVIP2ME · Mar 1, 2020

whirlingmerc said:
Actually there are verses which suggest both a divine and man part of Jesus.
John 2 says 'tear down this temple and in three days I will raise it again" speaking of the temple of his body.
Jesus was man enough to die... fully man
Jesus was divine enough to raise himself ... with respect to fully God

I am wondering why you posted ^ above ^ that Jesus raised ( resurrected ) himself _______________
I find Jesus did Not raise or resurrect himself:
In Scripture it was the God of Jesus who resurrected dead Jesus out of the grave - Acts of the Apostles 2:24, 27,31.
Acts of the Apostles 2:32 God raised up Jesus
Acts of the Apostles 3:15 God raised Jesus from the dead.
Acts of the Apostles 5:30 God of our fathers raised up Jesus.
Acts of the Apostles 10:40 Him (Jesus ) God raised up ....
Acts of the Apostles 13:30 God raised him (Jesus) from the dead.
Romans 10:9 B that God raised him (Jesus) from the dead,
Romans 4:24.. believe on Him (God) who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead
Galatians 1:1 B ...God the Father, who raised him (Jesus) from the dead;
Colossians 2:12 B...God, who raised him (Jesus) from the dead.
1 Thessalonians 1:10 ... , whom He (God) raised from the dead, even Jesus,....

rrobs · Mar 1, 2020

URAVIP2ME said:
I am wondering why you posted ^ above ^ that Jesus raised ( resurrected ) himself _______________
I find Jesus did Not raise or resurrect himself:
In Scripture it was the God of Jesus who resurrected dead Jesus out of the grave - Acts of the Apostles 2:24, 27,31.
Acts of the Apostles 2:32 God raised up Jesus
Acts of the Apostles 3:15 God raised Jesus from the dead.
Acts of the Apostles 5:30 God of our fathers raised up Jesus.
Acts of the Apostles 10:40 Him (Jesus ) God raised up ....
Acts of the Apostles 13:30 God raised him (Jesus) from the dead.
Romans 10:9 B that God raised him (Jesus) from the dead,
Romans 4:24.. believe on Him (God) who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead
Galatians 1:1 B ...God the Father, who raised him (Jesus) from the dead;
Colossians 2:12 B...God, who raised him (Jesus) from the dead.
1 Thessalonians 1:10 ... , whom He (God) raised from the dead, even Jesus,....

If Christians would reject the Pagan idea that we aren't really dead when we die, it would be obvious that a dead person could in no wise raise himself from the dead. In fact, much of trinity doctrine is based on the so-called immortality of the soul. Without that there could be no literal pre-existance of Jesus. He would have had a beginning just like all other men. Of course the scriptures are clear that Jesus in fact had a beginning. I guess, as Jesus once said, tradition does make the word of God of none effect. Too many are hoodwinked into believing tradition over truth. I pray that will all change in my lifetime, but who can say?

URAVIP2ME · Mar 1, 2020

rrobs said:
If Christians would reject the Pagan idea that we aren't really dead when we die, it would be obvious that a dead person could in no wise raise himself from the dead. In fact, much of trinity doctrine is based on the so-called immortality of the soul. Without that there could be no literal pre-existance of Jesus. He would have had a beginning just like all other men. Of course the scriptures are clear that Jesus in fact had a beginning. I guess, as Jesus once said, tradition does make the word of God of none effect. Too many are hoodwinked into believing tradition over truth. I pray that will all change in my lifetime, but who can say?

Thank you for your reply.
I think we are close to the soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth as per Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
So, the ' hoodwinked ' ones ( 1 Timothy 4:1-3; 2 Timothy 4:3-4 ) for the most part will Not change.
Any comments on 2 Timothy 2:18 _____________

Faithofchristian · Mar 2, 2020

rrobs said:
Well, I didn't deny anything you said. No, I don't believe they were not speaking of water baptism. Jesus was talking about being born from above. That was a natural lead into the book of Acts, particularly the part of getting baptized in holy spirit which occurred for the first time in the book of Acts.

Not that I mind, but I can't help but notice that John 3:1-10 has nothing to do with the original post. You didn't stay with the subject. I wouldn't go so far as to say all Christians do that, but you sure did. I also asked a question politely. Hopefully I at least began to answer yours. Take care.

I most certainly did stay with subject in John 3:1-10..that's why I said to you that Acts 1:5 has nothing to do with John 3:1-10.
Because there is no where that Jesus or Nicodemus said anything about baptism.
In John 3:1-10.. so it was you.. who went off the subject and article of John 3:1-10.
Nope Jesus Christ was not talking about being born from above...
But here's what Jesus Christ did say in
John 3:3--"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God"
Therefore Jesus said nothing about being born from above..
But what Jesus did say.. "except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God"

Now what Jesus Christ and Nicodemus are talking about is the womb of a woman
In John 3:4---"Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?"
So the subject is about the womb of a woman
and being born again of the water.

And then Jesus Christ said to Nicodemus that unless a man be born of the water and of the Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven..
John 3:5--"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God"

So except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
So how does the womb of a woman and water relate to each other?
For anyone to see the kingdom of God and to enter the kingdom of God.
He has to be born from the woman's womb and of the water..
Now how does this work..
When a woman's water breaks the child is born thru that water.. therefore being born again of the water.
Now being born of the Spirit of God is by the word of God..
1 Peter 1:22-23
22--"Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23--"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever"

Therefore being born of the Spirit of God is by the word of God. as 1 Peter 1:22-23 stated.

rrobs · Mar 2, 2020

URAVIP2ME said:
Thank you for your reply.
I think we are close to the soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth as per Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
So, the ' hoodwinked ' ones ( 1 Timothy 4:1-3; 2 Timothy 4:3-4 ) for the most part will Not change.
Any comments on 2 Timothy 2:18 _____________

Before I answer about 2 Timothy, I would like to ask you a quick question; do you believe and understand the different dispensations (Garden of Eden, age of law, age of grace, Revelation, etc.) as well as the difference between Jew, Gentile, and Church of Christ in the scriptures?

I ask that because I know many believe the entire Bible is written directly to all people for all times. For example, they see no real change in God's dealing with people at different times (Garden of Eden, age of law, age of grace, Revelation, etc.). I can better answer your question if I know what you believe in that regard.

rrobs · Mar 2, 2020

Faithofchristian said:
I most certainly did stay with subject in John 3:1-10..that's why I said to you that Acts 1:5 has nothing to do with John 3:1-10.
Because there is no where that Jesus or Nicodemus said anything about baptism.
In John 3:1-10.. so it was you.. who went off the subject and article of John 3:1-10.
Nope Jesus Christ was not talking about being born from above...
But here's what Jesus Christ did say in
John 3:3--"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God"
Therefore Jesus said nothing about being born from above..
But what Jesus did say.. "except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God"

Now what Jesus Christ and Nicodemus are talking about is the womb of a woman
In John 3:4---"Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?"
So the subject is about the womb of a woman
and being born again of the water.

And then Jesus Christ said to Nicodemus that unless a man be born of the water and of the Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven..
John 3:5--"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God"

So except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
So how does the womb of a woman and water relate to each other?
For anyone to see the kingdom of God and to enter the kingdom of God.
He has to be born from the woman's womb and of the water..
Now how does this work..
When a woman's water breaks the child is born thru that water.. therefore being born again of the water.
Now being born of the Spirit of God is by the word of God..
1 Peter 1:22-23
22--"Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23--"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever"

Therefore being born of the Spirit of God is by the word of God. as 1 Peter 1:22-23 stated.

I understand John 3:1-10 just as you have stated it.

You might read the original post I started. It really has nothing to do with John 3:1-10. Basically I asked why only the Father knows the day and hour of Christ's second coming.

Matt 24:36,

But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Mark 13:32,

But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Trinitarians say it was the "man part" of Jesus that didn't know the day and hour, but the "God part" did. Since both verses say only the Father knows, I was wondering why the 3rd person of the trinity (holy spirit, ghost, whatever) doesn't know. Does the Holy Spirit also have a dual nature, a "man part" and a "God part?"

Good-Ole-Rebel · Mar 2, 2020

rrobs said:
I understand John 3:1-10 just as you have stated it.

You might read the original post I started. It really has nothing to do with John 3:1-10. Basically I asked why only the Father knows the day and hour of Christ's second coming.

Matt 24:36,

But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Mark 13:32,

But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Trinitarians say it was the "man part" of Jesus that didn't know the day and hour, but the "God part" did. Since both verses say only the Father knows, I was wondering why the 3rd person of the trinity (holy spirit, ghost, whatever) doesn't know. Does the Holy Spirit also have a dual nature, a "man part" and a "God part?"

I hold to the Trinity. But I don't say concerning your question that it was the man part of Jesus that didn't know. I would say that the Son, though being God the Son with now a human body, didn't know the time as it was determined by the Father.

When the Son took on a body He placed Himself in the position of submission to the Father....forever. Does that take away from the Son being God? No. But it places the Son in a Servant position. See. (1 Cor. 15:28) "...then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that that put all things under him that God may be all in all."

There is always the order of authority. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The same would be true of the Holy Spirit as is true of the Son. Just because He did not know, if He did not know, it doesn't make Him any less God.

But of course now the Holy Ghost knows, and Jesus knows, as the Father revealed unto them. (Rev. 1:1) "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John."

Good-Ole-Rebel

sojourner · Mar 2, 2020

rrobs said:
God reveals Himself through words

Also people, images, symbols, creation, Jesus, etc.

Faithofchristian · Mar 3, 2020

rrobs said:
I understand John 3:1-10 just as you have stated it.

You might read the original post I started. It really has nothing to do with John 3:1-10. Basically I asked why only the Father knows the day and hour of Christ's second coming.

Matt 24:36,

But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Mark 13:32,

But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Trinitarians say it was the "man part" of Jesus that didn't know the day and hour, but the "God part" did. Since both verses say only the Father knows, I was wondering why the 3rd person of the trinity (holy spirit, ghost, whatever) doesn't know. Does the Holy Spirit also have a dual nature, a "man part" and a "God part?"

At the time Jesus Christ was here on earth.
Jesus didn't know..
But after Jesus death and resurrection
Now he does know.
The Holy Spirit is God the Father.
So yes the Holy Spirit would know.
Seeing the Holy Spirit is God the Father.

Alot of Christians has this mind set..
That no one knows the day and hour of Jesus Christ return.

But however in the book of Revelation
Jesus Christ reveals to uncover the day and hour of his return.
Jesus Christ does not however reveal or uncover what day that is..
But Jesus Christ does however reveal to uncover what hour that is..
No one will know what day that will be..
Until 3 half days before Jesus Christ returns.. then God's elect people will know definitely in 3 half days Jesus Christ will return

In Jesus Christ book of Revelation.
Jesus Christ reveals to uncover what is happening in that hour..So that God's elect people will have a pretty good idea what to look for.. 3 half days before Jesus Christ returns.
There's an event that is to happen that when this event happens..then God's elect people will know in 3 half days Jesus Christ will return.
It's all there in the book of Revelation..

Cooky · Mar 3, 2020

rrobs said:
I would agree with you up to a point. It all depends on what it is we wish to know. The desire to know about worldly matters may very well be a worldly trait. But I am talking, about knowing God. He says many times in the scriptures that He wants us to know all about Him. That is why Jesus Christ came, to reveal the Father. He never asked us to accept an impossibility (three being one) by faith. That is a man made idea and is contrary to scripture.

Some say our body and soul (two being one) is a man made idea too... Do you believe you have a soul?

...It's not hard for me to believe that God is more dimensional than us. Or that the laws of physics along with our understandings are simplistic compared to God the Creator.

...It's also not hard for me to understand that the bible is just one way that God has spoken to and revealed information to us throughout the ages.

Cooky · Mar 3, 2020

I don't know why the bible has to be the *only* way God speaks.

...Where does such an idea come from? Honestly? :shrug:

Faithofchristian · Mar 3, 2020

Landon Caeli said:
Some say our body and soul (two being one) is a man made idea too... Do you believe you have a soul?

...It's not hard for me to believe that God is more dimensional than us. Or that the laws of physics along with our understandings are simplistic compared to God the Creator.

...It's also not hard for me to understand that the bible is just one way that God has spoken to and revealed information to us throughout the ages.

You know...Jesus Christ understood the concept of body and soul..

Jesus Christ said in Matthew 10:28---
28--"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell"

If you notice Jesus is indicating the soul as being immortal not liable to dying..
But only God holds the power to destroy both the body and soul..

However depending on which way the body dies..the body does die.
But the soul lives on and does not die..
God created the soul to be eternal..that will not die...
Until the soul stands out against God..
Then God has the power to destroy the soul.
At the time Jesus Christ returns..then the body of flesh and blood ceases to live and the soul/spirit comes out of the body of flesh and blood..
This is what disciple Paul written about in
1 Corinthians 15:51-52..
51--"Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52--"In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed"

Notice ( at the last Trump) this being the last trumpet of the book of Revelation.
In the book of Revelation there are
7 trumpets...the last trumpet when it sounds Christ Jesus returns.

Notice ( the dead shall be raised)
at the time the last trumpet is sounded..
everyone is changed to the spirit..so there is no dead..
so who is the dead..that shall be changed and raise..
the dead are those who are spiritually dead these believe not in God or Jesus Christ.

They are referred to in the Bible as being spiritually dead to God and Jesus Christ.
like the atheists..their considered in the Bible/scriptures as being spiritually dead
to God
As Jesus Christ said back in
Matthew 10:28 above---"but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell"
This takes place in the book of
Revelation 20:13-15.
13--"And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14--"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15--"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire"

At this time everyone is not of flesh and blood...but spirit beings and those who are found standing against God and stand with Satan against God are cast into the lake of fire along with Satan and his angels.

Hope in some way this gives you an understanding of the body of flesh and blood and the soul/spirit.

Cooky · Mar 3, 2020

Faithofchristian said:
You know...Jesus Christ understood the concept of body and soul..

Jesus Christ said in Matthew 10:28---
28--"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell"

If you notice Jesus is indicating the soul as being immortal not liable to dying..
But only God holds the power to destroy both the body and soul..

However depending on which way the body dies..the body does die.
But the soul lives on and does not die..
God created the soul to be eternal..that will not die...
Until the soul stands out against God..
Then God has the power to destroy the soul.
At the time Jesus Christ returns..then the body of flesh and blood ceases to live and the soul/spirit comes out of the body of flesh and blood..
This is what disciple Paul written about in
1 Corinthians 15:51-52..
51--"Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52--"In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed"

Notice ( at the last Trump) this being the last trumpet of the book of Revelation.
In the book of Revelation there are
7 trumpets...the last trumpet when it sounds Christ Jesus returns.

Notice ( the dead shall be raised)
at the time the last trumpet is sounded..
everyone is changed to the spirit..so there is no dead..
so who is the dead..that shall be changed and raise..
the dead are those who are spiritually dead these believe not in God or Jesus Christ.

They are referred to in the Bible as being spiritually dead to God and Jesus Christ.
like the atheists..their considered in the Bible/scriptures as being spiritually dead
to God
As Jesus Christ said back in
Matthew 10:28 above---"but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell"
This takes place in the book of
Revelation 20:13-15.
13--"And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14--"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15--"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire"

At this time everyone is not of flesh and blood...but spirit beings and those who are found standing against God and stand with Satan against God are cast into the lake of fire along with Satan and his angels.

Hope in some way this gives you an understanding of the body of flesh and blood and the soul/spirit.

My point was not to better understand, but rather to show the OP that if we have "two parts" (body and soul), and are considered one, then surely God can as well, especially if we're made in His image.

...In fact, I believe God can have three parts and still be considered one.

Because He's God!

cataway · Mar 3, 2020

The Interpreter’s Bible (Vol. II, p. 1015), commenting on 1 Samuel 25:29, observes that “the idea of man as consisting of body and soul which are separated at death is not Hebrew but Greek.” (Edited by G. Buttrick, 1953) Similarly, Edmond Jacob, Professor of Old Testament at the University of Strasbourg, points out that, since in the Hebrew Scriptures one’s life is directly related with the soul (Heb., neʹphesh), “it is natural that death should sometimes be represented as the disappearance of this nephesh (Gen. 35:18; I Kings 17:21; Jer. 15:9; Jonah 4:3). The ‘departure’ of the nephesh must be viewed as a figure of speech, for it does not continue to exist independently of the body, but dies with it (Num. 31:19; Judg. 16:30; Ezek. 13:19). No biblical text authorizes the statement that the ‘soul’ is separated from the body at the moment of death.”—The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible, edited by G. Buttrick, 1962, Vol. 1, p. 802.

cataway · Mar 3, 2020

Landon Caeli said:
My point was not to better understand, but rather to show the OP that if we have "two parts" (body and soul), and are considered one, then surely God can as well, especially if we're made in His image.

...In fact, I believe God can have three parts and still be considered one. Because He's God!

3 parts ?? have you ever noticed the 3 are never seen together ? you can find Jehovah and Jesus seen together ,but holy spirit is never mentioned being there with them.

sparcz1978 · Mar 3, 2020

God sent the Holy Spirit but there are seven Spirits of God Sent to whole Earth..

God Sent Jesus Christ

use simple math

if you know This Biblical Statement, Trinity is proven lies..

the Authority of Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit was limited...base on that Statement of Jesus Christ regarding the day and Time..

but Jesus Christ gave sign when it near..

cataway · Mar 3, 2020

Faithofchristian said:
You know...Jesus Christ understood the concept of body and soul..

Jesus Christ said in Matthew 10:28---
28--"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell"

If you notice Jesus is indicating the soul as being immortal not liable to dying..
But only God holds the power to destroy both the body and soul..

However depending on which way the body dies..the body does die.
But the soul lives on and does not die..
God created the soul to be eternal..that will not die...
Until the soul stands out against God..
Then God has the power to destroy the soul.
At the time Jesus Christ returns..then the body of flesh and blood ceases to live and the soul/spirit comes out of the body of flesh and blood..
This is what disciple Paul written about in
1 Corinthians 15:51-52..
51--"Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52--"In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed"

Notice ( at the last Trump) this being the last trumpet of the book of Revelation.
In the book of Revelation there are
7 trumpets...the last trumpet when it sounds Christ Jesus returns.

Notice ( the dead shall be raised)
at the time the last trumpet is sounded..
everyone is changed to the spirit..so there is no dead..
so who is the dead..that shall be changed and raise..
the dead are those who are spiritually dead these believe not in God or Jesus Christ.

They are referred to in the Bible as being spiritually dead to God and Jesus Christ.
like the atheists..their considered in the Bible/scriptures as being spiritually dead
to God
As Jesus Christ said back in
Matthew 10:28 above---"but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell"
This takes place in the book of
Revelation 20:13-15.
13--"And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14--"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15--"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire"

At this time everyone is not of flesh and blood...but spirit beings and those who are found standing against God and stand with Satan against God are cast into the lake of fire along with Satan and his angels.

Hope in some way this gives you an understanding of the body of flesh and blood and the soul/spirit.

I see there are some things that you don't yet understand. Paul said some things that apply to him and to a few others. it is also likely that there were some things that Paul did not yet know when he pined his words . even John did not understand the vision of the book of Rev. and it highly likely Paul never read the words of that book .

cataway · Mar 3, 2020

sparcz1978 said:
God sent the Holy Spirit but there are seven Spirits of God Sent to whole Earth..

God Sent Jesus Christ

use simple math

if you know This Biblical Statement, Trinity is proven lies..

the Authority of Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit was limited...base on that Statement of Jesus Christ regarding the day and Time..

but Jesus Christ gave sign when it near..

considering where you likely have found the '' seven Spirits " it likely means ''seven'' is
symbolize being used as representative of completeness.

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