Does history match the prophesies of the bible?

How is history matching the revelations of the bible, and how does that affect everyone?

There are 7 plus one beasts of Revelation 13, and the most relevant one today is the 7th, the beast with two horns like a lamb, Constantine the Great King of Rome, who succeed the 6th head of the beast with 10 horns, who held the power of Julius Caesar, the 5th head of the beast. We are now in the age of the 8th head of the beast with 10 horns , the horns being kings/rulers/head of states, all of whom have dealt consequences on Jerusalem.

The 7th head of the beast had two horns like a lamb (Christ like leaders/rulers) who helped “deceive” “those dwelling on the earth”. Those leaders, who came dressed as “lambs” (Matthew 12), Peter (the worthless shepherd of Zechariah 11), and Paul, the shepherd who was called “Favor”, for his false gospel of grace, such as being found in God’s Favor, versus the gospel of Yeshua, which was based on “Justice” and “Righteousness”.

The first head of the beast was Nebuchadnezzar, whose church, “Babylon the Great”, was the mother of the church initiated by Constantine at his Council of Nicea in 325 A.D., which imaged the Babylonian church, and was referred to as the Holy Roman Catholic Church. The Catholic Church has her own daughters, made in her image, those being called in general, the Protestant Churches. The leader of the Roman church would be Peter, the “worthless shepherd” of Zechariah 11, and the leader/horn of the Protestant Church would be the “false prophet”, called “Favor”, who would be the lawless Paul.

The consequences of having the mark of the beast, which would be heeding the laws set down by Constantine, the 7th head, would be drinking the wine of the wrath of God. It would be best to “come out of her”, that being the daughters of Babylon (Revelation 14).

Keep in mind that the bible’s reference to the “beasts” is with respect to the rulers of the world’s interactions with the “house of Israel”, the “house of Judah (Jews), and Jerusalem. The “Jews”, the house of Judah, are now in the era of Zechariah 12, whereas they have become a burning brand among the sheaves of their neighbors, whereas the house of Israel remains scattered among the nations, and awaiting their judgment and the reunification with the house of Judah (Ezekiel 36- 37), with “David my servant” my prince forever.

2ndpillar said:

How is history matching the revelations of the bible, and how does that affect everyone?

There are 7 plus one beasts of Revelation 13, and the most relevant one today is the 7th, the beast with two horns like a lamb, Constantine the Great King of Rome, who succeed the 6th head of the beast with 10 horns, who held the power of Julius Caesar, the 5th head of the beast. We are now in the age of the 8th head of the beast with 10 horns , the horns being kings/rulers/head of states, all of whom have dealt consequences on Jerusalem.

The 7th head of the beast had two horns like a lamb (Christ like leaders/rulers) who helped “deceive” “those dwelling on the earth”. Those leaders, who came dressed as “lambs” (Matthew 12), Peter (the worthless shepherd of Zechariah 11), and Paul, the shepherd who was called “Favor”, for his false gospel of grace, such as being found in God’s Favor, versus the gospel of Yeshua, which was based on “Justice” and “Righteousness”.

The first head of the beast was Nebuchadnezzar, whose church, “Babylon the Great”, was the mother of the church initiated by Constantine at his Council of Nicea in 325 A.D., which imaged the Babylonian church, and was referred to as the Holy Roman Catholic Church. The Catholic Church has her own daughters, made in her image, those being called in general, the Protestant Churches. The leader of the Roman church would be Peter, the “worthless shepherd” of Zechariah 11, and the leader/horn of the Protestant Church would be the “false prophet”, called “Favor”, who would be the lawless Paul.

The consequences of having the mark of the beast, which would be heeding the laws set down by Constantine, the 7th head, would be drinking the wine of the wrath of God. It would be best to “come out of her”, that being the daughters of Babylon (Revelation 14).

Keep in mind that the bible’s reference to the “beasts” is with respect to the rulers of the world’s interactions with the “house of Israel”, the “house of Judah (Jews), and Jerusalem. The “Jews”, the house of Judah, are now in the era of Zechariah 12, whereas they have become a burning brand among the sheaves of their neighbors, whereas the house of Israel remains scattered among the nations, and awaiting their judgment and the reunification with the house of Judah (Ezekiel 36- 37), with “David my servant” my prince forever.

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No.

Why are the "many" (Matthew 7) "deceived" (Revelation 13) and destined for "destruction" (Matthew 7)? And why are the "lawless" told to "depart from me", despite calling on the name of the Lord, and doing miracles (Matthew 7)? What separates the "many" from the "few"? Is that the one follows the false prophet Paul, and his daughter of Babylon church and her writings, and the other follows the law of God, the Word.

As per Zechariah 14, hasn't Judah since after the two great wars, repeatedly defeated their enemies, and her enemies are turning on each other? As per Ezekiel 36 and Revelation, isn't the world and the 10 lost tribes, who are scattered among the nations (Ezekiel 35), looking at famines, disease, wars (Revelation), with "few" coming out the other side?

IMO, the books of "Revelation" and the "Song of Solomon" are the two most useless books in the Christian canon.

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Why are the "many" (Matthew 7) "deceived" (Revelation 13) and destined for "destruction" (Matthew 7)? And why are the "lawless" told to "depart from me", despite calling on the name of the Lord, and doing miracles (Matthew 7)? What separates the "many" from the "few"? Is that the one follows the false prophet Paul, and his daughter of Babylon church and her writings, and the other follows the law of God, the Word.

As per Zechariah 14, hasn't Judah since after the two great wars, repeatedly defeated their enemies, and her enemies are turning on each other? As per Ezekiel 36 and Revelation, isn't the world and the 10 lost tribes, who are scattered among the nations (Ezekiel 35), looking at famines, disease, wars (Revelation), with "few" coming out the other side?

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Rhetorical questions will get you nowhere.

Terry Sampson said:

IMO, the books of "Revelations" and the "Song of Solomon" are the two most useless books in the Christian canon.

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What is in any of them that has any value?

Audie said:

What is in any of them that has any value?

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The Sermon on the Mount and the statement of the Two Greatest Commandments.

There is so much symbolism in various places in the Bible that to try to compare symbolism to facts is useless.

If I were to assert, for example, that the final battle was WWII and the Cold War leading to the salvation of humanity at the hands of one Soviet Submarine commander, who would accept that?

If I were to state that the promised Golden Age is being born all around is, quietly, as a "thief in the night", what Christian would agree?

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The Sermon on the Mount and the statement of the Two Greatest Commandments.

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Love god, love thy neighbour?

First is nonsense, the second is highly problematic.

In the event, there is nothing in the bible that is not
found in pretty much every culture on earth.

2ndpillar said:

How is history matching the revelations of the bible, and how does that affect everyone?

There are 7 plus one beasts of Revelation 13, and the most relevant one today is the 7th, the beast with two horns like a lamb, Constantine the Great King of Rome, who succeed the 6th head of the beast with 10 horns, who held the power of Julius Caesar, the 5th head of the beast. We are now in the age of the 8th head of the beast with 10 horns , the horns being kings/rulers/head of states, all of whom have dealt consequences on Jerusalem.

The 7th head of the beast had two horns like a lamb (Christ like leaders/rulers) who helped “deceive” “those dwelling on the earth”. Those leaders, who came dressed as “lambs” (Matthew 12), Peter (the worthless shepherd of Zechariah 11), and Paul, the shepherd who was called “Favor”, for his false gospel of grace, such as being found in God’s Favor, versus the gospel of Yeshua, which was based on “Justice” and “Righteousness”.

The first head of the beast was Nebuchadnezzar, whose church, “Babylon the Great”, was the mother of the church initiated by Constantine at his Council of Nicea in 325 A.D., which imaged the Babylonian church, and was referred to as the Holy Roman Catholic Church. The Catholic Church has her own daughters, made in her image, those being called in general, the Protestant Churches. The leader of the Roman church would be Peter, the “worthless shepherd” of Zechariah 11, and the leader/horn of the Protestant Church would be the “false prophet”, called “Favor”, who would be the lawless Paul.

The consequences of having the mark of the beast, which would be heeding the laws set down by Constantine, the 7th head, would be drinking the wine of the wrath of God. It would be best to “come out of her”, that being the daughters of Babylon (Revelation 14).

Keep in mind that the bible’s reference to the “beasts” is with respect to the rulers of the world’s interactions with the “house of Israel”, the “house of Judah (Jews), and Jerusalem. The “Jews”, the house of Judah, are now in the era of Zechariah 12, whereas they have become a burning brand among the sheaves of their neighbors, whereas the house of Israel remains scattered among the nations, and awaiting their judgment and the reunification with the house of Judah (Ezekiel 36- 37), with “David my servant” my prince forever.

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What a deluded waste of time.

Terry Sampson said:

IMO, the books of "Revelation" and the "Song of Solomon" are the two most useless books in the Christian canon.

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I tend to agree about Revelation. Though even that can be seen as the dream of someone with a poetic imagination.

But love poems are always lovely things to read, I think, so I'll cut Solomon some slack.

As I keep reminding people on this forum, the bible is a work of literature and needs to be read as such.

2ndpillar said:

How is history matching the revelations of the bible, and how does that affect everyone?

There are 7 plus one beasts of Revelation 13, and the most relevant one today is the 7th, the beast with two horns like a lamb, Constantine the Great King of Rome, who succeed the 6th head of the beast with 10 horns, who held the power of Julius Caesar, the 5th head of the beast. We are now in the age of the 8th head of the beast with 10 horns , the horns being kings/rulers/head of states, all of whom have dealt consequences on Jerusalem.

The 7th head of the beast had two horns like a lamb (Christ like leaders/rulers) who helped “deceive” “those dwelling on the earth”. Those leaders, who came dressed as “lambs” (Matthew 12), Peter (the worthless shepherd of Zechariah 11), and Paul, the shepherd who was called “Favor”, for his false gospel of grace, such as being found in God’s Favor, versus the gospel of Yeshua, which was based on “Justice” and “Righteousness”.

The first head of the beast was Nebuchadnezzar, whose church, “Babylon the Great”, was the mother of the church initiated by Constantine at his Council of Nicea in 325 A.D., which imaged the Babylonian church, and was referred to as the Holy Roman Catholic Church. The Catholic Church has her own daughters, made in her image, those being called in general, the Protestant Churches. The leader of the Roman church would be Peter, the “worthless shepherd” of Zechariah 11, and the leader/horn of the Protestant Church would be the “false prophet”, called “Favor”, who would be the lawless Paul.

The consequences of having the mark of the beast, which would be heeding the laws set down by Constantine, the 7th head, would be drinking the wine of the wrath of God. It would be best to “come out of her”, that being the daughters of Babylon (Revelation 14).

Keep in mind that the bible’s reference to the “beasts” is with respect to the rulers of the world’s interactions with the “house of Israel”, the “house of Judah (Jews), and Jerusalem. The “Jews”, the house of Judah, are now in the era of Zechariah 12, whereas they have become a burning brand among the sheaves of their neighbors, whereas the house of Israel remains scattered among the nations, and awaiting their judgment and the reunification with the house of Judah (Ezekiel 36- 37), with “David my servant” my prince forever.

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Audie said:

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I agree with the latter.

Why are the "many" (Matthew 7) "deceived" (Revelation 13) and destined for "destruction" (Matthew 7)? And why are the "lawless" told to "depart from me", despite calling on the name of the Lord, and doing miracles (Matthew 7)? What separates the "many" from the "few"? Is that the one follows the false prophet Paul, and his daughter of Babylon church and her writings, and the other follows the law of God, the Word.

metis said:

I agree with the latter.

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To agree that the prophets of the OT were correct, and that there was to be a "worthless shepherd" chosen (Zechariah 11), whose description matches the leader of your Roman church, Peter, would undermine your whole foundation of sand (Matthew 7). That one doesn't think the prophets have spoken truly, that probably will not turn out well for those among the "many" (Matthew 7). It is the "many" (Mt 7) who are "deceived" (Revelation 13), and this by means of the beast (Constantine), who initiated the Roman Church in 325 AD, with help via his "two horns like a lamb", Peter and Paul, for whom he built a basilica for each.

2ndpillar said:

How is history matching the revelations of the bible, and how does that affect everyone?

There are 7 plus one beasts of Revelation 13, and the most relevant one today is the 7th, the beast with two horns like a lamb, Constantine the Great King of Rome, who succeed the 6th head of the beast with 10 horns, who held the power of Julius Caesar, the 5th head of the beast. We are now in the age of the 8th head of the beast with 10 horns , the horns being kings/rulers/head of states, all of whom have dealt consequences on Jerusalem.

The 7th head of the beast had two horns like a lamb (Christ like leaders/rulers) who helped “deceive” “those dwelling on the earth”. Those leaders, who came dressed as “lambs” (Matthew 12), Peter (the worthless shepherd of Zechariah 11), and Paul, the shepherd who was called “Favor”, for his false gospel of grace, such as being found in God’s Favor, versus the gospel of Yeshua, which was based on “Justice” and “Righteousness”.

The first head of the beast was Nebuchadnezzar, whose church, “Babylon the Great”, was the mother of the church initiated by Constantine at his Council of Nicea in 325 A.D., which imaged the Babylonian church, and was referred to as the Holy Roman Catholic Church. The Catholic Church has her own daughters, made in her image, those being called in general, the Protestant Churches. The leader of the Roman church would be Peter, the “worthless shepherd” of Zechariah 11, and the leader/horn of the Protestant Church would be the “false prophet”, called “Favor”, who would be the lawless Paul.

The consequences of having the mark of the beast, which would be heeding the laws set down by Constantine, the 7th head, would be drinking the wine of the wrath of God. It would be best to “come out of her”, that being the daughters of Babylon (Revelation 14).

Keep in mind that the bible’s reference to the “beasts” is with respect to the rulers of the world’s interactions with the “house of Israel”, the “house of Judah (Jews), and Jerusalem. The “Jews”, the house of Judah, are now in the era of Zechariah 12, whereas they have become a burning brand among the sheaves of their neighbors, whereas the house of Israel remains scattered among the nations, and awaiting their judgment and the reunification with the house of Judah (Ezekiel 36- 37), with “David my servant” my prince forever.

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The "mark of the beast" = that physical body you have on right now.
So, are you willing to take it off ? Because everything you think and do revolves around it.
That's why the "mark" is in the "forehead" (what you think), and " the right hand" (what you do).

And the "mark" is that of a "man" = carbon-12 ; one of 5 elements in human DNA, and most important for biological life,
consisting of 6 protons, 6 electrons, 6 neurons .

Tell them about it exchemist...

"Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding count the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. And his number is six hundred, three score, and six (666) " ( Revelation 13:18 )

WhyIsThatSo said:

The "mark of the beast" = that physical body you have on right now.
So, are you willing to take it off ? Because everything you think and do revolves around it.
That's why the "mark" is in the "forehead" (what you think), and " the right hand" (what you do).

And the "mark" is that of a "man" = carbon-12 ; one of 5 elements in human DNA, and most important for biological life,
consisting of 6 protons, 6 electrons, 6 neurons .

Tell them about it exchemist...

"Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding count the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. And his number is six hundred, three score, and six (666) " ( Revelation 13:18 )

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Actually the oldest and original version of the number of the beast is 616, which is the number of Constantine's name.. A mark on the forehead and hand is exampled in the old testament as keeping the commandments (Deut 6:8). In the case of the mark of the beast, that would be keeping Constantine's commandments, which was to keep the day of the sun, the holy day of his god, as holy, and do not work (buy or sell) on Sunday.

While the bible is a blue print of creation by means of the numbers used, the number of a man, is not part of that architecture. All carbon based life has carbon, it is not restricted to man.

sun rise said:

There is so much symbolism in various places in the Bible that to try to compare symbolism to facts is useless.

If I were to assert, for example, that the final battle was WWII and the Cold War leading to the salvation of humanity at the hands of one Soviet Submarine commander, who would accept that?

If I were to state that the promised Golden Age is being born all around is, quietly, as a "thief in the night", what Christian would agree?

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The title the "Last Great War", was given to WWI, not WWII. Prior to the British troops and the Arab Muslims, under Lawrence of Arabia, throwing out the Muslim Turks, Ottomans (clay), and Germany (iron), out of Jerusalem, there were few Jews in the land of Judea. It was because of technical Jewish help for the British war effort, that the Jews were given access to the area by means of the Balfour Declaration near the end of WWI, by way of the British who were given control of the area. After that time, as noted in Zechariah 14, the Jews dominated their neighbors, and their neighbors continued to strike each other down. As for what "Christians" believe, that would depend on what sect you are referring to. Most would say first comes Armageddon, Har-Magedon, before any relief can be expected. The "thief in the night" refers to the day of judgment for the goats and bad servants, not the following better times for the sheep and those who fed their neighbors.

The

2ndpillar said:

Actually the oldest and original version of the number of the beast is 616, which is the number of Constantine's name.. A mark on the forehead and hand is exampled in the old testament as keeping the commandments (Deut 6:8). In the case of the mark of the beast, that would be keeping Constantine's commandments, which was to keep the day of the sun, the holy day of his god, as holy, and do not work on Sunday.

While the bible is a blue print of creation by means of the numbers used, the number of a man, is not part of that architecture. All carbon based life has carbon, it is not restricted to man.

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Yes, I'm familiar with the "616" version, and it's irrelevant. It is because it doesn't matter either way.
The Law was given to Moses by the "god of this world", through "angels" and entrusted to a "mediator" ( Galatians 3:19 ).
The "god of this world" that has blinded the minds of people (2 Corinthians 4:4) is the OT deity (Jehovah, among other titles )
People are blind to the truth because the god that created this world, gave his law, and caused the creation of the
3 Abrahamic faiths ( Judaism, Christianity, Islam ), that enslave most of humanity today.

The "god of this world" did this long ago, when he usurped the authority of the true God ( Father ), and created
this physical realm of matter, where every living thing MUST KILL another living thing, to live.
In creating this hell hole, he trapped the spirits (children) of the Father (that would be us), in this meat locker
we call a "body".

So, when the time comes for you to give it up, and not take on another one, I would run like hell.

WhyIsThatSo said:

The

Yes, I'm familiar with the "616" version, and it's irrelevant. It is because it doesn't matter either way.
The Law was given to Moses by the "god of this world", through "angels" and entrusted to a "mediator" ( Galatians 3:19 ).
The "god of this world" that has blinded the minds of people (2 Corinthians 4:4) is the OT deity (Jehovah, among other titles )
People are blind to the truth because the god that created this world, gave his law, and caused the creation of the
3 Abrahamic faiths ( Judaism, Christianity, Islam ), that enslave most of humanity today.

The "god of this world" did this long ago, when he usurped the authority of the true God ( Father ), and created
this physical realm of matter, where every living thing MUST KILL another living thing, to live.
In creating this hell hole, he trapped the spirits (children) of the Father (that would be us), in this meat locker
we call a "body".

So, when the time comes for you to give it up, and not take on another one, I would run like hell.

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Oh, and Harry Styles got it right …."just stop your cryin, it's the sign of the times. Welcome to the final show, hope you're wearing your best clothes. You can't bribe the door on the way to the sky. You look pretty good down here. But you ain't really good..."

2ndpillar said:

How is history matching the revelations of the bible, and how does that affect everyone?

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When talking about the Book of Revelations, this is the wrong question to ask. The Book of Revelations is not talking about the future. It isn't a work filled with prophecies. It was a symbolic work that was talking about current history, and what was going on during that time period. It did this in order to further a theological idea.

There are 7 plus one beasts of Revelation 13, and the most relevant one today is the 7th, the beast with two horns like a lamb, Constantine the Great King of Rome, who succeed the 6th head of the beast with 10 horns, who held the power of Julius Caesar, the 5th head of the beast. We are now in the age of the 8th head of the beast with 10 horns , the horns being kings/rulers/head of states, all of whom have dealt consequences on Jerusalem.

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So in Revelations 13, we have a beast rising out of the water. This is a through back to Daniel 7, and really is taking the imagery of Leviathan, which was chaos. The beast itself represents the Roman Empire. The 7 heads represents the 7 hills in which Rome was built on. The 10 diadens most likely referred to 10 different rulers, but who was in mind, we don't really know. We are told that on the heads are blasphemous names, which is in reference to the fact that Roman emperors were deified, and that for Christians was seen as blasphemous. The death blow is most likely either a reference to Julius Caesar, and his assassination, or more like a reference to Nero's suicide and the idea that he would return. But that death blow didn't bring down the empire, which is why it is seen as being healed.

We can't be in the age of the 8th head, as there is no 8th head. There are seven heads.

The 7th head of the beast had two horns like a lamb (Christ like leaders/rulers) who helped “deceive” “those dwelling on the earth”. Those leaders, who came dressed as “lambs” (Matthew 12), Peter (the worthless shepherd of Zechariah 11), and Paul, the shepherd who was called “Favor”, for his false gospel of grace, such as being found in God’s Favor, versus the gospel of Yeshua, which was based on “Justice” and “Righteousness”.

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So we have a misunderstanding of Paul and Jesus here. They weren't opposed. Paul, on a number of occasions, quoted from Jesus. Both of them preached a Jewish message. Paul took this message to Gentiles, but he did so while still following his Jewish beliefs. The difference in their messages really aren't much. Paul constantly talks about justice and righteousness.

The 7th head doesn't have two horns like a lamb. That is a completely different beast. If we follow the story, we are told this is the beast with 666, or more probably, 616. This is a clear reference to the Emperor Nero Caesar, and we are really talking about emperor veneration. Nero was despised by the Jews. There was a tradition that was quite popular that he would return, and reconquer Rome, and throughout the first century, there were some "new Neros" who did take power.

The first head of the beast was Nebuchadnezzar, whose church, “Babylon the Great”, was the mother of the church initiated by Constantine at his Council of Nicea in 325 A.D., which imaged the Babylonian church, and was referred to as the Holy Roman Catholic Church. The Catholic Church has her own daughters, made in her image, those being called in general, the Protestant Churches. The leader of the Roman church would be Peter, the “worthless shepherd” of Zechariah 11, and the leader/horn of the Protestant Church would be the “false prophet”, called “Favor”, who would be the lawless Paul.

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By this point, you're really starting to confuse things. We have two beasts that you've conflated into one. Nebuchadnezzar did not have a church, nor did Constantine emulate it. Constantine did call the Council of Nicaea, but he had very little involvement in it, and definitely didn't use it to make some sort of imagined Babylonian church. Really, as a whole, the Council didn't do all that much, besides on paper. It also wasn't referred to as the Holy Roman Catholic Church. That is later. Also, to call the protestant churches daughters of the Catholic Church makes no sense, as one, they were created in so many different ways, and they weren't born from the Catholic Church.

More so, both Peter and Paul were Jews. They weren't Christians nor do they represent Christians. That's a huge reach, and it means you have to completely ignore basically everything Paul said. Instead, as many have, they look at Luther's interpretation of Paul, which was simply wrong, and Luther didn't recognize that Paul was a Jew, and thus took him out of context.

The consequences of having the mark of the beast, which would be heeding the laws set down by Constantine, the 7th head, would be drinking the wine of the wrath of God. It would be best to “come out of her”, that being the daughters of Babylon (Revelation 14).

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The mark of the beast is a reference to the second beast, the beast of the earth, not of the sea. The beast of the sea is the one with 7 heads. So again, you've conflated two ideas here.

Keep in mind that the bible’s reference to the “beasts” is with respect to the rulers of the world’s interactions with the “house of Israel”, the “house of Judah (Jews), and Jerusalem. The “Jews”, the house of Judah, are now in the era of Zechariah 12, whereas they have become a burning brand among the sheaves of their neighbors, whereas the house of Israel remains scattered among the nations, and awaiting their judgment and the reunification with the house of Judah (Ezekiel 36- 37), with “David my servant” my prince forever.

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So the book of Revelations never says anything like this. In order to come to the conclusion that you do, you have to read something completely different into the book. It's not proper Biblical interpretation.