Abolishing the Two Party System

I think it is WAY overdue

We are a capitalists country
we should be nominating business orientated leaders

no party affiliation allowed

each candidate should compose and publish his viewpoint
a manifesto

and the public should be schooled in economics
required

may the best man win

how about a coalition style democracy? they're not perfect, but they seem WAY more nimble than what the US has.

I have long preferred the parliamentary system over our presidential system, especially because it's generally more efficient. One party or coalition will dominate and try and get things done but at their own risk, and also because a vote of confidence can be called thus the country doesn't have to wait for years to "get the bums out!".

Thief said:

I think it is WAY overdue

We are a capitalists country
we should be nominating business orientated leaders

no party affiliation allowed

each candidate should compose and publish his viewpoint
a manifesto

and the public should be schooled in economics
required

may the best man win

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Asking the members of these two parties to give up their power, it would be a bloodbath. OMG, the humanity.

The USA only has two parties, because no one has started a viable third party. But there is nothing in the Constitution to stop them doing so.

However the two existing parties would fight like hell to keep the status quo.
And it would not be a clean fight.

Terrywoodenpic said:

The USA only has two parties, because no one has started a viable third party. But there is nothing in the Constitution to stop them doing so.

However the two existing parties would fight like hell to keep the status quo.
And it would not be a clean fight.

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There have been and still are "viable" third parties.
There is the Libertarian party.
Don't know how old you are but the Reform Party was a serious contender in the 1992 elections.
So I don't know how you can say there was never and isn't a "viable" third party.

Capitalist economics is a value system that by nature is about beating your competition to maximize gain. Winners keep winning and losers keep losing.

This is no way to govern for the people.

The way to have a thriving economy is to increase competition while protecting the rights of the citizens. The more competition you have the fairer the wage and price. People opt for the best quality with the best results on their own.

Ultimately greed and selfishness are bound to reign in a totally free market. There is none incentive to provide anything for the losers.

Government is the only operation there is that is set up for justice and the protection of rights for all people. Naturally government is going to be a puppet of the wealth of economy, or is going to set itself up to make a difference for everybody.

To make a difference for everybody you have to regulate the economy. You have to give citizenship some meaning and determine what rights a citizen should have.

Economics is a wasteful value system because there is no give in it. Only take!

There is no charity in economics. Waste and conflict are a byproduct. Every system reflects the moral values of people.

Parliamentary systems also have faults - take Israel for example.

This is supremely cynical but there's an element of truth here:

esmith said:

There have been and still are "viable" third parties.
There is the Libertarian party.
Don't know how old you are but the Reform Party was a serious contender in the 1992 elections.
So I don't know how you can say there was never and isn't a "viable" third party.

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I tend to think parties like libertarian and tea party are just political extensions to give the illusion of something truly grassroots when in reality its the same exact thing, just different names as if people wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

It's purposefully rigged now so you couldn't get a bona fide truly separate and independent third or even fourth party through the door.

I mean look how long it's been now with just the Republicans and Democrats in a two-party hellhole.

Thief said:

I think it is WAY overdue

We are a capitalists country
we should be nominating business orientated leaders

no party affiliation allowed

each candidate should compose and publish his viewpoint
a manifesto

and the public should be schooled in economics
required

may the best man win

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The people get to pick whoever they want. They can join whichever political party they want and participate in that party's processes for selecting and nominating a candidate. They can vote in the general election for whomever they wish.

They can also vote for their school board and have a say in what the public is schooled in. Economics is generally included in most school curricula, along with many other subjects which students may or may not actually learn.

If the voters make stupid choices and never really seemed to learn much in school, then that's a problem, but it's a problem which runs deep in our culture.

Thief said:

I think it is WAY overdue

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What does that mean? Give us a rough draft of a law that abolishes "the two party system."

"ABOLISH THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM!"

Stevicus said:

The people get to pick whoever they want. They can join whichever political party they want and participate in that party's processes for selecting and nominating a candidate. They can vote in the general election for whomever they wish.

They can also vote for their school board and have a say in what the public is schooled in. Economics is generally included in most school curricula, along with many other subjects which students may or may not actually learn.

If the voters make stupid choices and never really seemed to learn much in school, then that's a problem, but it's a problem which runs deep in our culture.

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that portion of the last line......spot on

Jayhawker Soule said:

"ABOLISH THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM!"

^ literally thoughtless​

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oh come on......

it's not like I haven't thought about it

Jayhawker Soule said:

What does that mean? Give us a rough draft of a law that abolishes "the two party system."

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I think the process is already in place
free speech

find a podium
state your stance
gain support
as the moment arrives.....make the winning speech
get elected

I would love to hear a speech of actual …...intelligence
rather than....'get the vote' mindset

I would vote for Jordan Peterson

too bad he's not running
but he has a brain....and is not likely interested

I would also point out......the two party system leads to speech
such that

I am a democrat.....and we will win this election
I am a republican.....and we will win this election

in each scenario the man at the podium is speaking for half of the country

are we not?.....the United States of America

Thief said:

Jayhawker Soule said:

What does that mean? Give us a rough draft of a law that abolishes "the two party system."

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I think the process is already in place
free speech

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But how, specifically, do you propose to abolish this [nonexistent] two party system?

Thief said:

find a podium
state your stance
gain support
as the moment arrives.....make the winning speech
get elected

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Brilliant.

Get back to us when you can discern the difference between a two party system that can be abolished and a two party dominance that can be overcome.

Jayhawker Soule said:

But how, specifically, do you propose to abolish this [nonexistent] two party system?



Brilliant.

Get back to us when you can discern the difference between a two party system that can be abolished and a two party dominance that can be overcome.

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as soon as the people wake up
I'll let you know

but obviously.....you do understand

esmith said:

There have been and still are "viable" third parties.
There is the Libertarian party.
Don't know how old you are but the Reform Party was a serious contender in the 1992 elections.
So I don't know how you can say there was never and isn't a "viable" third party.

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Compared to third and fourth... Parties in other countries. Those in the USA have achieved no leverage at all. Even the two main parties are substantially regional in nature. With a very uneven geographical membership.
To win power in both houses is difficult, at the best of times. And is virtually impossible for a third party.

and it's a rich man's game