WTC building 7. Let's revisit history.

We Never Know · Feb 23, 2020

Anyone here that has architecture/engineering background I want your opinion. Do you think a 52 floor, all steel framed(I-beam and connectors) and concrete building that was damaged on one side, maybe two sides by scattered fires would free fall all at once, equal all over, at the exact same time?(Incidentally, this made WTC 7 the only steel skyscraper to have collapsed from fire.)
This has nothing to do with conspiracy theories or anything else.
I'm simply seeking opinions.
Video is of WTC 7 building falling.

Howard Is · Feb 23, 2020

The answer is obvious, but that won't make any difference.

Revoltingest · Feb 23, 2020

We Never Know said:
Anyone here that has architecture/engineering background I want your opinion. Do you think a 52 floor, all steel framed(I-beam and connectors) and concrete building that was damaged on one side, maybe two sides by scattered fires would free fall all at once, equal all over, at the exact same time?(Incidentally, this made WTC 7 the only steel skyscraper to have collapsed from fire.)
This has nothing to do with conspiracy theories or anything else.
I'm simply seeking opinions.
Video is of WTC 7 building falling.

Mechanical engineer here.
(Formerly an architecture major.)
It's reasonable that some structures subjected to some types of damage
would fail the way shown. But there's no way I could explain it without
detailed drawings of the building, & more info about the assaults upon it.
That would be a fair amount of work to analyze.

Caution:
I'm no expert on such structures.
But I am very experienced in commercial building management. There's
no way possible to rig a building for demolition without management &
tenants noticing the extensive work to prepare.

We Never Know · Feb 23, 2020

Revoltingest said:
Mechanical engineer here.
(Formerly an architecture major.)
It's reasonable that some structures subjected to some types of damage
would fail the way shown. But there's no way I could explain it without
detailed drawings of the building, & more info about the assaults upon it.
That would be a fair amount of work to analyze.

Caution:
I'm no expert on such structures.
But I am very experienced in commercial building management. There's
no way possible to rig a building for demolition without management &
tenants noticing the extensive work to prepare.

Anything is possible/if it can happen it will.
This video is of many computer simulations that with the way it was built it shouldn't have fallen that way.
Yes I know it's simulations but many areas use simulations to come to conclusions now days.

Mychael · Feb 23, 2020

We Never Know said:
Anyone here that has architecture/engineering background I want your opinion. Do you think a 52 floor, all steel framed(I-beam and connectors) and concrete building that was damaged on one side, maybe two sides by scattered fires would free fall all at once, equal all over, at the exact same time?(Incidentally, this made WTC 7 the only steel skyscraper to have collapsed from fire.)
This has nothing to do with conspiracy theories or anything else.
I'm simply seeking opinions.
Video is of WTC 7 building falling.

All buildings were pre 911 prepared otherwise it would have took a week or two to place the explosives I still have video of Larry Silverstein saying he told them to pull the building from that day. Hollywood's tricks were used at it's most deceptive capabilities that day as well. I believe hanging the flag upside down is a signal that the owner of the flag is in extreme danger. The person's life or property has to be threatened. Your President had a book he was reading with a school classroom upside down told me he'd tried to tell American's something important that was never addressed this way either

We Never Know · Feb 23, 2020

Revoltingest said:
Mechanical engineer here.
(Formerly an architecture major.)
It's reasonable that some structures subjected to some types of damage
would fail the way shown. But there's no way I could explain it without
detailed drawings of the building, & more info about the assaults upon it.
That would be a fair amount of work to analyze.

Caution:
I'm no expert on such structures.
But I am very experienced in commercial building management. There's
no way possible to rig a building for demolition without management &
tenants noticing the extensive work to prepare.

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We Never Know · Feb 23, 2020

Mychael said:
All buildings were pre 911 prepared otherwise it would have took a week or two to place the explosives I still have video of Larry Silverstein saying he told them to pull the building from that day. Hollywood's tricks were used at it's most deceptive capabilities that day as well. I believe hanging the flag upside down is a signal that the owner of the flag is in extreme danger. The person's life or property has to be threatened. Your President had a book he was reading with a school classroom upside down told me he'd tried to tell American's something important that was never addressed this way either

That's another thing. When they told Bush what happened, he nodded and kept right on reading that book.

We Never Know · Feb 23, 2020

Mychael said:
All buildings were pre 911 prepared otherwise it would have took a week or two to place the explosives I still have video of Larry Silverstein saying he told them to pull the building from that day. Hollywood's tricks were used at it's most deceptive capabilities that day as well. I believe hanging the flag upside down is a signal that the owner of the flag is in extreme danger. The person's life or property has to be threatened. Your President had a book he was reading with a school classroom upside down told me he'd tried to tell American's something important that was never addressed this way either

Our own government would never do anything like that against our own country, people and assets.... but then again there was Operation Northwoods.

Operation Northwoods was a proposed false flag operation against the Cuban government that originated within the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other U.S. government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against military targets and give the appearance of terrorism against American citizens[2], blaming them on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. The possibilities detailed in the document included the possible assassination of Cuban immigrants, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas[2], hijacking planes to be shot down or given the appearance of being shot down[2], blowing up a U.S. ship, and orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.[3] The proposals were rejected by President John F. Kennedy.

Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia

Howard Is · Feb 23, 2020

We Never Know said:
That's another thing. When they told Bush what happened, he nodded and kept right on reading that book.

I thought it was strange that the Commander In Chief was left exposed, and his vulnerable location revealed on live TV, when America was under attack.

If I was running his security, my first move, at the moment an attack of that kind was verified, would be to move him to a secure secret location.

Shadow Wolf · Feb 23, 2020

Revoltingest said:
Mechanical engineer here.
(Formerly an architecture major.)
It's reasonable that some structures subjected to some types of damage
would fail the way shown. But there's no way I could explain it without
detailed drawings of the building, & more info about the assaults upon it.
That would be a fair amount of work to analyze.

Caution:
I'm no expert on such structures.
But I am very experienced in commercial building management. There's
no way possible to rig a building for demolition without management &
tenants noticing the extensive work to prepare.

Wish I knew more to help you out. Unfortunately for me I haven't grown tired enough of arguing with "truthers" and their pictures and videos that are mostly so blurry that at one point in time I forgot more than a few clear videos and pictures of the attack exist.

Mychael · Feb 23, 2020

We Never Know said:
That's another thing. When they told Bush what happened, he nodded and kept right on reading that book.

Dick Cheney was running the show for George H's goals to be fulfilled. The money was made and traded as the buildings fell. There were people that were there that day in the towers with all their evidence to show criminality that were targeted where the planes hit. A world agenda, the war crimes......the list goes so so deep, governments and media and so many others, all in bed together. How do you start the whole system over and build it properly, no one wanting to sacrifice their convenient lifestyles and artificial embracements or believes. Has it become to big to fix?
Do you just keep going or will it be destroyed totally? The root cause is internal in nature. Many landmines for your true patriots. My heart goes out to all the people killed or harmed.

Mychael · Feb 23, 2020

We Never Know said:
Our own government would never do anything like that against our own country, people and assets.... but then again there was Operation Northwoods.

Operation Northwoods was a proposed false flag operation against the Cuban government that originated within the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other U.S. government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against military targets and give the appearance of terrorism against American citizens[2], blaming them on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. The possibilities detailed in the document included the possible assassination of Cuban immigrants, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas[2], hijacking planes to be shot down or given the appearance of being shot down[2], blowing up a U.S. ship, and orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.[3] The proposals were rejected by President John F. Kennedy.

Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia

So many layers to the onion skin

Heyo · Feb 24, 2020

We Never Know said:
Anyone here that has architecture/engineering background I want your opinion. Do you think a 52 floor, all steel framed(I-beam and connectors) and concrete building that was damaged on one side, maybe two sides by scattered fires would free fall all at once, equal all over, at the exact same time?(Incidentally, this made WTC 7 the only steel skyscraper to have collapsed from fire.)
This has nothing to do with conspiracy theories or anything else.
I'm simply seeking opinions.
Video is of WTC 7 building falling.

I'm usually not into conspiracy theories but 9/11 has so many holes in the official story that it is impossible to believe without eyes wide shut.
As for the specific case of how the buildings collapsed, I'm not an expert so I have to go with the real experts. The association of architects and engineers (don't remember the exact name) thinks it's impossible for a building to collapse in that way with the damage received.
If what has happened on 9/11 had any impact on the science, you'd expect to see that in the textbooks on construction (and demolition). Do you?

Father Heathen · Feb 24, 2020

Shadow Wolf · Feb 24, 2020

QUOTE="Heyo, post: 6549011, member: 67118"]If what has happened on 9/11 had any impact on the science, you'd expect to see that in the textbooks on construction (and demolition). Do you?[/QUOTE]
Actually it has prompted warnings that such a fire could cause similar damage in other buildings. WTC 7 was pummeled by raining debris, it burned for many hours, and it's collapse has been explained, with thermal expansion causing column and floor failure, a major culprit in the collapse.
World Trade Center 7 Report Puts 9/11 Conspiracy Theory to Rest

74x12 · Feb 24, 2020

We Never Know said:
Anyone here that has architecture/engineering background I want your opinion. Do you think a 52 floor, all steel framed(I-beam and connectors) and concrete building that was damaged on one side, maybe two sides by scattered fires would free fall all at once, equal all over, at the exact same time?(Incidentally, this made WTC 7 the only steel skyscraper to have collapsed from fire.)
This has nothing to do with conspiracy theories or anything else.
I'm simply seeking opinions.
Video is of WTC 7 building falling.

No. Impossible.

Heyo · Feb 24, 2020

Shadow Wolf said:
QUOTE="Heyo, post: 6549011, member: 67118"]If what has happened on 9/11 had any impact on the science, you'd expect to see that in the textbooks on construction (and demolition). Do you?

Actually it has prompted warnings that such a fire could cause similar damage in other buildings. WTC 7 was pummeled by raining debris, it burned for many hours, and it's collapse has been explained, with thermal expansion causing column and floor failure, a major culprit in the collapse.
World Trade Center 7 Report Puts 9/11 Conspiracy Theory to Rest[/QUOTE]
Read the article, gonna read the report later. But that is not what I asked for. Did the findings of the report make it into the textbooks? I don't know, I don't study architecture.

exchemist · Feb 24, 2020

We Never Know said:
Anyone here that has architecture/engineering background I want your opinion. Do you think a 52 floor, all steel framed(I-beam and connectors) and concrete building that was damaged on one side, maybe two sides by scattered fires would free fall all at once, equal all over, at the exact same time?(Incidentally, this made WTC 7 the only steel skyscraper to have collapsed from fire.)
This has nothing to do with conspiracy theories or anything else.
I'm simply seeking opinions.
Video is of WTC 7 building falling.

On the contrary, the sole possible reason for posting this is to reheat stupid conspiracy theories. This was all gone over, in enormous detail, at the time, by engineers and architects who actually knew what they were talking about, as opposed to silly people on the internet with bees in their bonnets of various kinds. This topic is a real tinfoil hat job:

Let it go, for Christ's sake.

Shadow Wolf · Feb 24, 2020

exchemist said:
On the contrary, the sole possible reason for posting this is to reheat stupid conspiracy theories. This was all gone over, in enormous detail, at the time, by engineers and architects who actually knew what they were talking about, as opposed to silly people on the internet with bees in their bonnets of various kinds. This topic is a real tinfoil hat job:

Let it go, for Christ's sake.

The tin foil hat is seeing Elvis in a UFO. 9/11 truther conspiracies, that's to the level of kool aid drinking as the door to reason and facts are closed. It this point, the evidence, facts, and this-and-that have been reviewed and examined so much it's like trying to deny evolution. I do believe, very fully, that some of Dawkin's harsh words to describe evolution-deniers applies just as equally to 9/11 truthers.

exchemist · Feb 24, 2020

Shadow Wolf said:
The tin foil hat is seeing Elvis in a UFO. 9/11 truther conspiracies, that's to the level of kool aid drinking as the door to reason and facts are closed. It this point, the evidence, facts, and this-and-that have been reviewed and examined so much it's like trying to deny evolution. I do believe, very fully, that some of Dawkin's harsh words to describe evolution-deniers applies just as equally to 9/11 truthers.

Yes. It's a pity @We Never Know Never has chosen to try to resurrect this zombie conspiracy, as many of his or her posts are quite reasonable. But I suppose there is a bit of the mad bore in all of us........

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