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An open challenge to evolutionists.
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Iymus
Active Member
I hold that truth is more valid than lies, so if Miasma theory is more valid than Germ theory, then yes I would.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Um, in case you didn't know, evolution only applies to organic life-forms.Essentially Explain concept of Evolution "if valid" preceding Creationism.
It's exactly the same as showing people a wasp nest, and then asking the question of who designed it.
You see the problem there?
Evolution is used to describe and explain the history of life.
It only contradicts Creationism at the points where Creationism either isn't supported by evidence or is outright demonstrably false.
Well, I suspect you aren't reading research articles in biology, so your reading selection may not be representative of how evolution is used in practice. Most scientists simply don't give creationism a second thought: it has been shown to be incorrect long ago.
Evolution refers to the biological description of how species change over time. That's it.
It isn't concerned with stars, or galaxies, or the Big Bang, or anything along those lines. Only how species change over time.
It looks to me that you are using the word 'predating' incorrectly here. Are you wanting to say that Creationism is *logically* prior to evolution?
And why would you think that?
Maximus
the Confessor
God - the ground of all being - created the universe including, obviously, the physical laws that govern it. Biological evolution came later. There is no contradiction between the two.
See for example
Theistic Evolution: History and Beliefs - Articles
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Evolution would have to predate creationism. There's simply no getting around that.
You need....er better still...require, an evolved mind to even think up and invent that initial concept of creationism in the first place.
The undeniable proof is that big evolved noodle in your noggin.
Anything else?
Essentially Explain concept of Evolution "if valid" preceding Creationism.
Well the universe began, was a hot (very hot) cloud of highly compressed plasma. It expanded and cooled, the plasma evolved into quantum particles, further expanding and cooling allowed atoms of hydrogen to form, some of these evolved into helium. Disturbance in the cloud of atoms allowed some atoms to clump together, pulled by gravity. After about 200 million years gravity had compressed the hydrogen and helium so much that fusion caused the first suns to evolve.
These suns lived and died, in the process of dying more heavier elements were formed. Second generation suns evolved using hydrogen, helium and the newer elements.
The process continued and 3rd generation suns evolved. Our sun is a 3rd generation sun. Soon after its formation the accretion disk began to clump together (in the same way as those original quanta and atoms) and planets evolved.
Less than a billion years later conditions on earth were right for abiogenesis to occur.
Of course, a lot of the technicalities have been omitted but is that what you wanted?
This is only because it's being used against specific creationism claims. Creationism, in general, consist of only the concept of existence/life was created by some sort of deity or being. So if someone claims that god created all the breeds of dogs as being exactly like what they are today, evolution is used to show why that claim is false. Now if a creationism claim says that god created the single spark of existence and did not interfere in anything after that, then evolution has nothing to do with that claim, and can even be acceptable.
If you're talking about the Theory of Evolution, then it only deals with biology. And from your comment, it appears that you don't understand what the theory is and/or refuse to acknowledge what is being said. I gathered that from your comment about how you see evolution, which is, being used to contradict creationism.
Knowing and understanding what the theory is and rejecting it, is not the same as not knowing what it is and rejecting it based off of your belief that the purpose for The Theory of Evolution is to go against creationism.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, you omitted this one:
Further you omitted, whether you are doing methodological naturalism or philosophical naturalism or any related variant?
Yet further again you didn't explain and inform about this:
Science has limits: A few things that science does not do
Science doesn't draw conclusions about supernatural explanations
So yes, you omitted something worth mentioning.
What i omitted was many years of particle physics and cosmological research
Nothing philosophical about the universe or reality
Nor did i even mention supernatural god magic
Neither of which are worth even consider in the real world
Audie
Veteran Member
You do not have the capacity to mount a challenge, butEssentially Explain concept of Evolution "if valid" preceding Creationism.
dont take it personally. Nobody does.
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Err, what do man made tools have to do with evolution? Evolution is a branch in science, specifically biology, not a study in trade tools.Essentially Explain concept of Evolution "if valid" preceding Creationism.
Salvador
RF's Swedenborgian
Evolution is simply significant enough gene pool changes within a species changing over the course of many generations resulting in organisms having genetic traits different enough from their distant ancestors; so that there'd be no possible sexual reproduction occurring between somebody who were to have distant ancestral genetic traits with anybody living in the current population.
Of course, there's nothing random about the mechanisms that make evolution work by way of favorable genetic traits due to mutations more likely getting passed along to the next generation, natural selection, genetic drifting, or gene flow.
I'm ready for more fastener & driver identification challenges.
The contradiction is not of creationism in general, but of versions of creationism that present the different groups of living things arising out of order or fully formed as they exist today.
Tiberius
Well-Known Member
Why do you think an idea is more valid than another idea if it predates it?
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I mean do you really know this? And, after you answer that, the next question is: "a very hot cloud of highly compressed plasma was there?" Really?