How do Christians view Judaism?

WhyIsThatSo · Feb 21, 2020

Rival said:
The truth that has no backing whatsoever and is only believed by a handful of people who aren't happy with their identity and need to self-identify as Israelites even though they're really just Christians with an inferiority complex? As a Brit, I don't need to somehow up my credentials by appropriating someone else's identity; being British is blessing enough.

1. I'm not the one who gave (prophesied) the blessings to the inheritors ( sons of Jacob ) in the sight of and under the will of
who they know as "God".
2. The tracing out of nations ( peoples ) over time historically is a fairly easy endeavor in this technological day and age, and the
historical evidence speaks for itself. ( to those with ears to hear ).
3. And this coming from a citizen of a nation ( Britain ) who doesn't even know what his "Queen" sits upon at coronation . (just for starters)

Rival said:
I'm sorry you believe this rubbish. So far you've insulted the Israelites by claiming to be one, claiming their G-d is a demiurge, claiming they are ignorant, claiming they don't know where they're from and suggesting you know something that years upon years worth of historians and archaeologists don't.

I'm done with your anti-Semitic vapidity.

That's a fairly accurate summation, except for the "insult" part maybe ( but that works both ways too ).
and "ignorant" just means you "ignore" something that you SHOULD KNOW, or at least should WANT to know ( because it's beneficial )

However, I do have one question for you, if you don't mind...
tell me, how would you know that I am not a historian, or archaeologist... for that matter ???

I think the answer should be obvious......you don't know

PearlSeeker · Feb 21, 2020

IndigoChild5559 said:
When Paul writes that therre is no distinction between Jew and Gentile, do you really think he meant that Jews no longer exist?

Of course not. I understand Paul just meant that all need justification through faith.

sooda · Feb 22, 2020

Good-Ole-Rebel said:
As usual, you misrepresent Scripture. Zechariah the prophet and Zachariah the king are not the same persons and not the same time.

Nice try.

Good-Ole-Rebel

There were a couple of prominent men in the Bible named Zechariah (alternate spelling Zacharias or Zachariah). One was an Old Testament prophet who prophesied in the days of Haggai and who wrote the book of Zechariah (Ezra 5:1; Zechariah 1:1).

sooda · Feb 22, 2020

wizanda said:
The reason Yeshua said not to be called Rabbi, is it is something that existed since Babylon; God said the whole congregation is on the same level, no one has a hierarchy of playing leader.

Pharisee Oral traditions are said to exist 150 years before Christ, so the corruption started in Babylon; where now Rabbinic Judaism follows the Babylonian Talmud, and Pharisaic ideas that have existed since then.

A real Jew by definition of what is in the Tanakh, would accept Yeshua as an incarnation of King David, whilst denying Christianity based on the evidence; instead they've been mislead to follow the Rabbi.

In my opinion.

Beginning of Rabbinic Judaism
The beginning of Rabbinic Judaism is roughly marked by the collapse of Jerusalem in 70CE. However, it wasn’t till the 3rd century that it became the mainstream Judaic school of thought[2], after the codification of the Talmud (Mishnah and Gemara) in the 200s CE.
Reference: atarian-izarra.weebly.com/the-parting-of-the-ways---rabbinic-judaism-and-early-christianity.html

sooda · Feb 22, 2020

Jerusalem Talmud - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Talmud

The Jerusalem Talmud (Hebrew: תַּלְמוּד יְרוּשַׁלְמִי, Talmud Yerushalmi, often Yerushalmi for short), also known as the Palestinian Talmud or Talmuda de-Eretz Yisrael (Talmud of the Land of Israel), is a collection of Rabbinic notes on the second-century Jewish oral tradition known as the Mishnah.

Good-Ole-Rebel · Feb 22, 2020

sooda said:
There were a couple of prominent men in the Bible named Zechariah (alternate spelling Zacharias or Zachariah). One was an Old Testament prophet who prophesied in the days of Haggai and who wrote the book of Zechariah (Ezra 5:1; Zechariah 1:1).

That is not the point. The point was your misrepresentation of Scripture in your post #(235). I know who Zachariah the King was and who Zechariah the prophet was. As you do now also. Yet you throw in your misinformation in order to create some sort of confusion in the Scriptures.

I have seen you do this repeatedly. You lie, you misinform, you try and create confusion when it comes to the Bible and Jesus Christ. I have called you on it several times but you just ignore as you did here. You wait a couple of pages till you think your act is sufficiently covered up by other posts. Then you present again some useless piece of information that has nothing to do with what was being discussed.

Good-Ole-Rebel

sooda · Feb 22, 2020

Good-Ole-Rebel said:
That is not the point. The point was your misrepresentation of Scripture in your post #(235). I know who Zachariah the King was and who Zechariah the prophet was. As you do now also. Yet you throw in your misinformation in order to create some sort of confusion in the Scriptures.

I have seen you do this repeatedly. You lie, you misinform, you try and create confusion when it comes to the Bible and Jesus Christ. I have called you on it several times but you just ignore as you did here. You wait a couple of pages till you think your act is sufficiently covered up by other posts. Then you present again some useless piece of information that has nothing to do with what was being discussed.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Personal attack noted.. Have you discovered why the Jewish people celebrate Hanukkah?

The Feast of Hanukkah commemorates the victory God gave the Jewish people over Antiochus IV and his mighty army. The holiday is called Hanukkah (dedication), because the high point of the victory was rededicating the Temple in Jerusalem.

Many legends surround this historic event, but the most famous is the “miracle of the oil.”

2 Maccabees 10 GNT - The Rededication of the Temple

The Rededication of the Temple 10 Judas Maccabeus and his followers, under the leadership of the Lord, recaptured the Temple and the city of Jerusalem. 2 They tore down the altars which foreigners had set up in the marketplace and destroyed the other places of worship that had been built. 3 They purified the Temple and built a new altar.

sooda · Feb 22, 2020

WhyIsThatSo said:
1. I'm not the one who gave (prophesied) the blessings to the inheritors ( sons of Jacob ) in the sight of and under the will of
who they know as "God".
2. The tracing out of nations ( peoples ) over time historically is a fairly easy endeavor in this technological day and age, and the
historical evidence speaks for itself. ( to those with ears to hear ).
3. And this coming from a citizen of a nation ( Britain ) who doesn't even know what his "Queen" sits upon at coronation . (just for starters)

That's a fairly accurate summation, except for the "insult" part maybe ( but that works both ways too ).
and "ignorant" just means you "ignore" something that you SHOULD KNOW, or at least should WANT to know ( because it's beneficial )

However, I do have one question for you, if you don't mind...
tell me, how would you know that I am not a historian, or archaeologist... for that matter ???

I think the answer should be obvious......you don't know

British Israelites was a short-lived fad.. like a parlor game.

WhyIsThatSo · Feb 22, 2020

sooda said:
British Israelites was a short-lived fad.. like a parlor game.

"short-lived" on the surface perhaps. The truth is always "buried" when it threatens the status quo. This is the norm throughout
human history. Then the truth just goes "underground", until the time is right again.

sooda · Feb 22, 2020

WhyIsThatSo said:
"short-lived" on the surface perhaps. The truth is always "buried" when it threatens the status quo. This is the norm throughout
human history. Then the truth just goes "underground", until the time is right again.

British Israelism is hogwash, but it a great example of how ignorant people with an agenda try to reinvent scripture to represent Western characters and countries to first century history.

WhyIsThatSo · Feb 22, 2020

sooda said:
British Israelism is hogwash, but it a great example of how ignorant people with an agenda try to reinvent scripture to represent Western characters and countries to first century history.

"ignorance" = to IGNORE something that you should know (knowledge), or should want to know, because the knowledge gained will be beneficial in some way.

Harel13 · Feb 23, 2020

WhyIsThatSo said:
"Ephraim" and "Manasseh" = two of the "lost tribes", where did they go ? They can be traced historically.
Today they are the nations of Britain and America......why ?

If it makes you feel any better, a lot of Israelis already consider Israel to be the 51st state of the USA (or 52nd, if you include Area 51 as the 51st...)

WhyIsThatSo · Feb 23, 2020

Harel13 said:
If it makes you feel any better, a lot of Israelis already consider Israel to be the 51st state of the USA (or 52nd, if you include Area 51 as the 51st...)

If it makes you feel any better, I could not care less about Israel, the USA, or this world for that matter...
I'm simply stating the facts as they exist.

Harel13 · Feb 23, 2020

WhyIsThatSo said:
If it makes you feel any better, I could not care less about Israel, the USA, or this world for that matter...
I'm simply stating the facts as they exist.

I honestly do not care. I wasn't the one going on and on about real or fake Jews.

WhyIsThatSo · Feb 23, 2020

Harel13 said:
I honestly do not care. I wasn't the one going on and on about real or fake Jews.[/QU

Harel13 said:
I honestly do not care. I wasn't the one going on and on about real or fake Jews.

Neither was I......NEVER said one thing about "real or fake Jews" ( but YOU did ). Isn't it amazing how easily people can twist words of another ?

Harel13 · Feb 23, 2020

WhyIsThatSo said:
Neither was I......NEVER said one thing about "real or fake Jews" ( but YOU did ). Isn't it amazing how easily people can twist words of another ?

Real or fake "Israelites". Whatever.

Brickjectivity · Feb 25, 2020

Harel13 said:
Not sure if this is in the right section...
Anyway, through various discussions and, at times, heated debates online with Christians on different sites these last couple of years, I've come under the impression that at least some Christians view Judaism as "Christianity minus Jesus". Certainly, I'm pretty sure this is a mindset that groups like the Hebrew Christians and Messianic Judaism have used to preach to and convert Jews.

Is this really how Christians view Judaism?

Note: This isn't about what role Christians think Jews serve in the world, but about the religion itself.

Often in 'Bible based' churches, yes; because people often begin our education with reading the gospels. That is our introduction to Judaism which is not an introduction at all. This can change very quickly, though. Things change fast. There is a lot of change happening very quickly, so church ten years from now can be very different than it is today.

We often begin with no understanding of custom and law. Its very popular to think that passing out NT copies is equivalent to missionary work. Jesus is viewed as forming something new that is not Judaism, and it is assumed that his teachings are against those of the Pharisees and the Sadducees and the priests. The complex political themes, parables and overlays which build on Jewish understanding and basics are taken as original, completely divergent from an assumed strawman version of Judaism. This results in, yes, a very widespread view similar to what you are saying. So its like the Jews must have been an early version of Christians who had not yet found Jesus.

Wow so this is page 14? I was hoping for page 1. I'm not a page 14 person.

dybmh · Feb 27, 2020

wizanda said:
Rabbinic Judaism follows the Babylonian Talmud

How do you feel about the Jerusalem Talmud?

metis · Feb 27, 2020

dybmh said:
How do you feel about the Jerusalem Talmud?

Eventually, they were eventually meshed. Differences on items between the two were put in terms of "bracketing", thus setting limitations at either extreme.

Harel13 · Feb 27, 2020

metis said:
Eventually, they were eventually meshed. Differences on items between the two were put in terms of "bracketing", thus setting limitations at either extreme.

What do you mean? Halacha hardly goes by the Jerusalem Talmud.

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