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Do you think the weather/climate change has only to do with humans or is it also occuring naturally?

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
Has it happened before? Feel free to post evidence of it has or it hasn't?(don't forget your links)

Would it still happen without us? Feel free to post evidence of it would or it wouldn't? (don't forget your links)

PS this isnt a God, creation, belief, political, party, or BS thread. Let them 6 set this one out.:)
It's not rocket science. Humans have undoubtedly contributed detrimentally to CO2 levels. That has affected the climate, and hence natural weather patterns. To say that humans caused climate change is inaccurate. To say that it's entirely natural is inaccurate.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Has it happened before? Feel free to post evidence of it has or it hasn't?(don't forget your links)

Would it still happen without us? Feel free to post evidence of it would or it wouldn't? (don't forget your links)

PS this isnt a God, creation, belief, political, party, or BS thread. Let them 6 set this one out.:)
I believe....!!!!!
we humans are doing it to ourselves

yeah sure.....the ice core samples show climate shifts
but.....

the temp has risen 3degress in less than fifty years
compared to 7degrees over 10,000yrs

my family wants to say.....climate change
noting it's natural
I say.....global warming
noting Man's influence
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
saw one documentary years ago

our weather satellites have been photoshopping the temp at the equator
for decades

blue for cool
red for hot

and guess what.....
 

We Never Know

No Slack
It's not rocket science. Humans have undoubtedly contributed detrimentally to CO2 levels. That has affected the climate, and hence natural weather patterns. To say that humans caused climate change is inaccurate. To say that it's entirely natural is inaccurate.
Being we humans are part of nature, could it be classified as happening natural?
 

We Never Know

No Slack
I believe....!!!!!
we humans are doing it to ourselves

yeah sure.....the ice core samples show climate shifts
but.....

the temp has risen 3degress in less than fifty years
compared to 7degrees over 10,000yrs

my family wants to say.....climate change
noting it's natural
I say.....global warming
noting Man's influence

Being we humans are part of nature, could it be classified as happening natural? If it was a meteor it would be classified as natural.
 

dfnj

Well-Known Member
Has it happened before? Feel free to post evidence of it has or it hasn't?(don't forget your links)

Would it still happen without us? Feel free to post evidence of it would or it wouldn't? (don't forget your links)

PS this isnt a God, creation, belief, political, party, or BS thread. Let them 6 set this one out.:)

I'm pretty sure burning gasoline in HUGE quantities worldwide is going to have a cumulative pollution effect.

I'm going to go with the smart physicists at NASA who devout their lives to reputation and scientific truth:

Scientific Consensus | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

Evidence | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

For 1000 years carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has never been higher than 300 parts per million. We are not close to 450. Some scientists who are probably a little alarmists say around 500 or so all live on the planet will die. We are all frogs in water being brought to a boil.

Everyone loves Greta. Listen to hear argument:


The power of little girl logic!
 

We Never Know

No Slack
I'm pretty sure burning gasoline in HUGE quantities worldwide is going to have a cumulative pollution effect.

I'm going to go with the smart physicists at NASA who devout their lives to reputation and scientific truth:

Scientific Consensus | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

Evidence | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

For 1000 years carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has never been higher than 300 parts per million. We are not close to 450. Some scientists who are probably a little alarmists say around 500 or so all live on the planet will die. We are all frogs in water being brought to a boil.

Everyone loves Greta. Listen to hear argument:


The power of little girl logic!

Fossil records reveal that atmospheric CO2 levels around 600 million years ago were about 7,000 parts per million, compared with 379 ppm in 2005. Then approximately 480 million years ago those levels gradually dropped to 4,000 ppm over about 100 million years, while average temperatures remained at a steady 72 degrees. They then jumped rapidly to 4,500 ppm and guess what! Temperatures dove to an estimated average similar to today, even though the CO2 level was around twelve times higher than now. Yes, as CO2 went up, temperatures plummeted.
About 438 million years ago, atmospheric CO2 dropped from 4,500 ppm to 3,000 ppm, yet according to fossil records, world temperatures shot rapidly back up to an average 72 degrees. So regardless of whether CO2 levels were 7,000 ppm or 3,000 ppm, temperatures rose and fell independently.
https://www-forbes-com.cdn.ampproje...3/breaking-news-the-climate-actually-changes/
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
I'm pretty sure burning gasoline in HUGE quantities worldwide is going to have a cumulative pollution effect.

I'm going to go with the smart physicists at NASA who devout their lives to reputation and scientific truth:

Scientific Consensus | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

Evidence | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

For 1000 years carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has never been higher than 300 parts per million. We are not close to 450. Some scientists who are probably a little alarmists say around 500 or so all live on the planet will die. We are all frogs in water being brought to a boil.

Everyone loves Greta. Listen to hear argument:


The power of little girl logic!

There are too many people on the planet, but what does Greta expect us to do about that.

What kind of life does she expect us to live?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Greta is coming after you in her black helicopter, so run, run, run, and those young girls can really be a threat!:mad:
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
Being we humans are part of nature, could it be classified as happening natural?
Absolutely not. It’s classification is neither, and both. When we refer to nature, we refer to something greater than us. We distinguish between what we do and what occurs naturally. To lay it all on nature is to absolve us of responsibility.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
The biggest culprits should be targeted.

The Chinese sell the West solar panels while they continue to build coal-fired power stations.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Being we humans are part of nature, could it be classified as happening natural?
Not in the sense most people mean when they say natural change.
Al Gore has made a very good living out of that and Greta’s parents have realised that they can do the same.
You're seriously implying they're crying havoc for the money -- along with millions of unaffiliated scientists around the world?
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Fossil records reveal that atmospheric CO2 levels around 600 million years ago were about 7,000 parts per million, compared with 379 ppm in 2005. Then approximately 480 million years ago those levels gradually dropped to 4,000 ppm over about 100 million years, while average temperatures remained at a steady 72 degrees. They then jumped rapidly to 4,500 ppm and guess what! Temperatures dove to an estimated average similar to today, even though the CO2 level was around twelve times higher than now. Yes, as CO2 went up, temperatures plummeted.
About 438 million years ago, atmospheric CO2 dropped from 4,500 ppm to 3,000 ppm, yet according to fossil records, world temperatures shot rapidly back up to an average 72 degrees. So regardless of whether CO2 levels were 7,000 ppm or 3,000 ppm, temperatures rose and fell independently.
https://www-forbes-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/05/03/breaking-news-the-climate-actually-changes/amp/?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA=#aoh=15823553932390&csi=1&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/05/03/breaking-news-the-climate-actually-changes/
You think climate change is a direct result of a single cause?
 
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