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UK banning all petrol , diesel, and hybrid vehicles by 2035.

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Petrol and diesel ban: UK gives car industry 15 years to ditch fossil fuels - CNN

It's only 15 years away. *Yikes*

Apparently it's only electric and hydrogen vehicles that will be allowed.

It's going to be interesting to say the least.

My question is where are people going to hook up? How are the batteries going to be disposed of? And just how expensive will it be, considering electricity will be in massive demand as a companies take advantage of substantial price increases and gouging? Will there be continuous rolling blackouts and brown outs because of the demand of electricity taxing the grid?

And how are the electric companies going to be run? Will there be a ban as well on diesel turbines and the like?
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Petrol and diesel ban: UK gives car industry 15 years to ditch fossil fuels - CNN

It's only 15 years away. *Yikes*

Apparently it's only electric and hydrogen vehicles that will be allowed.

It's going to be interesting to say the least.

My question is where are people going to hook up? How are the batteries going to be disposed of? And just how expensive will it be, considering electricity will be in massive demand as a companies take advantage of substantial price increases and gouging? Will there be continuous rolling blackouts and brown outs because of the demand of electricity taxing the grid?

And how are the electric companies going to be run? Will there be a ban as well on diesel turbines and the like?
Johnson said it, don't believe it.
It's trying to play the Green card, and he knows that by 2035 he'll be long gone and not accountable (is he currently accountable??)

I'm involved in construction and many schemes I'm involved with do have charging points. BUT if this was serious they need to demand that all new houses are built with charging points; all new supermarkets, office developments, retail parks, car parks, etc. that are built have charging points in a ratio of something like 50%.

The other thing is, electric cars need to be noisier, so that people can hear them coming. That's slightly off topic but important IMHO
 

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
Staff member
Premium Member
The other thing is, electric cars need to be noisier, so that people can hear them coming. That's slightly off topic but important IMHO
I agree. Being legally blind in one eye I rely mostly on hearing cars a lot of the time.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Johnson said it, don't believe it.
It's trying to play the Green card, and he knows that by 2035 he'll be long gone and not accountable (is he currently accountable??)

I'm involved in construction and many schemes I'm involved with do have charging points. BUT if this was serious they need to demand that all new houses are built with charging points; all new supermarkets, office developments, retail parks, car parks, etc. that are built have charging points in a ratio of something like 50%.

The other thing is, electric cars need to be noisier, so that people can hear them coming. That's slightly off topic but important IMHO
That's a good point. There could be a massive increase in car people collisions.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Petrol and diesel ban: UK gives car industry 15 years to ditch fossil fuels - CNN

It's only 15 years away. *Yikes*

Apparently it's only electric and hydrogen vehicles that will be allowed.

It's going to be interesting to say the least.

My question is where are people going to hook up? How are the batteries going to be disposed of? And just how expensive will it be, considering electricity will be in massive demand as a companies take advantage of substantial price increases and gouging? Will there be continuous rolling blackouts and brown outs because of the demand of electricity taxing the grid?

And how are the electric companies going to be run? Will there be a ban as well on diesel turbines and the like?
First I think it is only a ban on new vehicle sales, which makes the impact a lot less sudden.

Second, I am sure it can be done with enough political will and expenditure of taxpayers’ money. The question, of course, as with everything Bozo says, is whether he means it, or whether he is speaking purely ex ano, as usual, without giving any thought to the government’s actual spending priorities.

Regarding power gen I am sure by 2030 the UK will be more than 50% renewables or nuclear, so the goal will have a beneficial impact.
 
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Incidentally i hear it takes 30 to 40 minutes at a rapid charge post.

it makes me wonder how people are going to vie for a charge if they're getting low considering there are millions and millions of people in a given population.

That's going to require a substantial amount of charging stations to say the least not to mention a line for people waiting to be charged. We all hear the tales of people having trouble even finding a parking meter. How much more so for a charging post much less waiting 30 to 40 minutes and even longer for a person to get back to their car?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Petrol and diesel ban: UK gives car industry 15 years to ditch fossil fuels - CNN

It's only 15 years away. *Yikes*

Apparently it's only electric and hydrogen vehicles that will be allowed.

It's going to be interesting to say the least.

My question is where are people going to hook up? How are the batteries going to be disposed of? And just how expensive will it be, considering electricity will be in massive demand as a companies take advantage of substantial price increases and gouging? Will there be continuous rolling blackouts and brown outs because of the demand of electricity taxing the grid?

And how are the electric companies going to be run? Will there be a ban as well on diesel turbines and the like?
I predict that reality will get in the way of this plan.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I predict that reality will get in the way of this plan.
I skimed some of the forums in the UK. Some hopeful few share that assessment.

Especially those living in the cold climate areas. Imagine a battery powered car in Sub-Zero temperatures? Not to mention having them reminded they are doing their bit with helping to combat global warming. Brrrrrr....
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I skimed some of the forums in the UK. Some hopeful few share that assessment.

Especially those living in the cold climate areas. Imagine a battery powered car in Sub-Zero temperatures? Not to mention having them reminded they are doing their bit with helping to combat global warming. Brrrrrr....
Also, that date is so soon that I doubt battery
energy density would be enuf for lengthy trips.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
My understanding is that Denmark has already accomplished much along this line.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
I wonder what they're going to do with all the batteries and the hazardous chemicals they contain?

The rise of electric cars could leave us with a big battery waste problem
But only if nothing is done about it. In fact the very interesting article you quote gives a number of options. I am rather taken with the idea of using old car batteries for domestic electricity storage. This is because wider use of renewables crucially depends on more storage capacity, since many renewable sources are intermittent. It could be a win-win.

But against this, I am 100% confident Bozo will not have the remotest clue about any of this, or of what he is getting into more generally.:rolleyes:
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Petrol and diesel ban: UK gives car industry 15 years to ditch fossil fuels - CNN

It's only 15 years away. *Yikes*

Apparently it's only electric and hydrogen vehicles that will be allowed.

It's going to be interesting to say the least.

My question is where are people going to hook up? How are the batteries going to be disposed of? And just how expensive will it be, considering electricity will be in massive demand as a companies take advantage of substantial price increases and gouging? Will there be continuous rolling blackouts and brown outs because of the demand of electricity taxing the grid?

And how are the electric companies going to be run? Will there be a ban as well on diesel turbines and the like?
If you have an IC car in 2035 then you can continue driving it, although on high road tax.
It's only IC sales that will end.

IC cars will still be on our roads on 2050 but they will have been purchased before 2035.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Different license requirements.
Machine gun license costs $10,000.
Ya gotta really like'm.
Road tax for big cubes is going through the roof already.

My little fiat Panda road tax is £30.
My wife's little Jimmy Jeep is £300!

Machine guns? Cheap little things.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I see pessimism is the currency for most in this thread. One point is the rapidly increasing speed of a basic charge as well as the increasing range between charges.

The new update allows the cars to connect to 200kW European ultra fast chargers, which can add up to 850 miles of range per hour to properly configured vehicles.
...
(but wait. there's more. coming soon)
Model 3 LR will be able to add 75 miles of driving range in as little at 5 minutes.

Top Gear Declares Tesla Model 3 Fastest Charging Car In The World | CleanTechnica
 
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