God is everywhere; is God in Hell?

coconut theology said:

You are mistaken, if referring to JEHOVAH the Ancient of Days of scripture:

That ("G-d is not a physical being") is not what scripture says and is actually spiritualism (satanic). The Father is not a perfume, not an aethereal essence pervading the universe.

Mat_6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Mat_16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Luk_11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.​

He, the Father, is a "Person", even His person (Job 13:8; Hebrews 1:3), of which Jesus (the Son) is the "express image" of.

As for the rest, see "His person" (Job 13:8); "form of God" (Philippians 2:6), "shape" (John 5:37), "image" (Genesis 1:26,27; Hebrews 1:3), "likeness" (Genesis 1:26,27), "being" (Acts 17:28), has a very real movable "Throne" on which He sits (Daniel 7:9-10; Revelation 4-5, &c), has "the hair of his head like the pure wool" (Daniel 7:9), "whose garment was white as snow" (Daniel 7:9), has a "right hand" (Revelation 5:1; Acts 7:55-56), able to be looked upon, "to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone" (Revelation 4:2), having His own "nature" (Galatians 4:8).

See also "back parts" (Exodus 33:23), and even a "divine nature" (2 Peter 1:4), see also "under his feet" (Exodus 24:10).

The angels are also called 'spirits' and "persons" ("fellows"; Hebrews 1:9), "young man" (Mark 16:5; Daniel 9:21; &c), and yet have real celestial (Heavenly) "bodies" with unfallen angelic "flesh" (1 Corinthians 15:35-58; Jude 1:7, Genesis 17-19, &c) an unfallen heavenly "nature" (Hebrews 2:16), where as we have bodies terrestrial (dust).

The Son is also a "person" (Hebrews 1:3; 2 Corinthians 2:10; Matthew 27:24; Deuteronomy 27:25; &c).

So is the Holy Ghost (John 14:16; &c)

Mankind are also called 'spirits' (1 Peter 3:19; Hebrews 12:23) and yet are real tangible beings, with bodies (made of dust).

Philippians 2:6; Daniel 3:25; Genesis 18:4, 19:2; Exodus 24:10-11; Psalms 18:9; John 5:37; Exodus 33:23,20,22; Daniel 7:9-10,13; Ezekiel 1:1,8,26-28; Acts 7:55-56; Psalms 24:1-10; John 20:17; 1 Peter 3:22; Matthew 18:10; Revelation 1:13-20, 2:1, 4:1-11, 5:1-14; Hebrews 1:13; Colossians 1:3-6; Numbers 12:8; Isaiah 45:23, 48:3; Revelation 3:16; Psalms 89:34; Psalms 104:33, 146:2; Acts 17:28; Genesis 1:26-27; Colossians 1:15; &c.

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Did Jesus or Moses say that G-d is a physical being,please?
If yes, then please quote from them? Right, please?

Regards

Jainarayan said:

Well, is he? For those who believe in an omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent God and believe in Hell, especially a literal one, is God there? I don't think it matters if Hell is literal or figurative. It's a place where condemned and punished souls are sent by God. Even if Hell is separation from God, where do the souls go? Is God not there also. Please explain the seeming paradox to me. How can an omnipotent and omnipresent God not be somewhere. To me, that negates God’s omni-everything. So, given that God is everywhere, as we were taught by Sister Mary Discipline of the Sisters of No Mercy, is God in Hell along with the tortured souls he sentenced there? Does he exist there?

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Short answer: Hell is not real.

Longer answer: Hell is eternal separation from God. Essentially, a soul decides that it does not want to be with God, so God says okay. However, Romans 8 assures us that "nothing can separate us from the love of God." That is to say that while we decide we don't want to be with God, God is still nearby. It's important to understand that this isn't punishment for not choosing God, any more than deciding to break up with a lover who still loves us (say, for reasons of compatibility).

Imagine, for instance that you leave your parents to go live in a forest... in the back yard of your parents' house. Is it fair to say that this "moving out" is illusory? Or suppose you go through a nasty divorce, only to move to the shed nearby. Real separation? Not really. If you have a real problem, your loved one can come help.

6 Reasons Why Hell is Not Real

4. Hell is a Place For Believers not Unbelievers
This is a very controversial statement of course. But when you look at the teaching of Jesus, who spoke more about hell than anyone else in the Bible, it becomes quickly clear that his audience consisted of believers, not unbelievers. Jesus was evidently concerned that his audience would not take his message all too seriously, that the people who listened to him thought they were okay since they belonged to the people of Israel, or, like the Pharisees, to a sect that observed the priestly laws, or, like the priests and the Sadducees, to the group that was actually in power in Israel (cf. Matthew 23:33). But as soon as non-Jews (Romans, Gentiles, Greeks, let’s say “nonbelievers”) came into the picture any talk of hell immediately stops. The Roman centurion’s faith is praised, the Samaritan women by the well finds salvation, the Gentile woman who had a demon-possessed daughter is treated according to her faith, etc. etc. but no hell is ever mentioned. That is odd given our ingrained idea that those who have never made a decision for Jesus are destined for hell.
One could wonder therefore why evangelists today would tempt nonbelievers to make a decision for Jesus by threatening them with hell. Hell is for believers, i.e. for hypocritical believers.

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The article goes on to contradict itself, saying that Hell is a real place because Jesus says so.

Here's what I believe. Hell is a place our own minds send us when we feel worthless. It is a place of eternal separation, but one should be very clear. Eternal and everlasting are not the same thing.
Eternity - Wikipedia

In classical philosophy, eternity means to be outside of time. Not "lasting forever".

Or more accurately, think about the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. This is often used to "prove" the existence of Hell because Jesus says so. But does it? Pay close attention to the words of Jesus. He says that both are in the SAME ROOM and in fact can see and call out to each other, but one is in agony from flames while the other is in the arms of Abraham. We are also told there is a gulf (a void) between these two places. But if we read the passage, it becomes clear that that gulf is a construct, a product of Lazarus and the rich man becoming dissociated from one another.

If we ever did believe Hell is real (and we could easily apply it to extreme misery on this Earth), there is still a teaching that Jesus "descended to Hell". This is often omitted from the creeds,but it is very important. You see, Jesus descended to Hell... to break open the gates!

Wiki "Harrowing of Hell".

Samantha Rinne said:

Short answer: Hell is not real.

Longer answer: Hell is eternal separation from God. Essentially, a soul decides that it does not want to be with God, so God says okay.

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I agree. The Eastern Orthodox Church has that view, and possibly the Roman Catholic. But I was wondering about those who believe in a literal place of eternal fire and torture. I can't remember his name, but there's a pastor who was interviewed on some History Channel show about Hell and the afterlife. He said that he unequivocally believes that Hell is a literal place (or lake) of real fire located under the Earth. I would like to hear his view on my question.

Jainarayan said:

Well, is he? For those who believe in an omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent God and believe in Hell, especially a literal one, is God there? I don't think it matters if Hell is literal or figurative. It's a place where condemned and punished souls are sent by God. Even if Hell is separation from God, where do the souls go? Is God not there also. Please explain the seeming paradox to me. How can an omnipotent and omnipresent God not be somewhere. To me, that negates God’s omni-everything. So, given that God is everywhere, as we were taught by Sister Mary Discipline of the Sisters of No Mercy, is God in Hell along with the tortured souls he sentenced there? Does he exist there?

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Naw. God just sends Father Abraham to do that stuff.

Luke 16:24

There must be a liaison office somewhere in Hell.

OMNIPRESENCE OF GOD - IS HE IN HELL?, IF HE IS EVERYWHERE, THEN HOW CAN ONE BE SEPARATED FROM HIM? ETC.

Jainarayan said:

Well, is he? For those who believe in an omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent God and believe in Hell, especially a literal one, is God there? I don't think it matters if Hell is literal or figurative. It's a place where condemned and punished souls are sent by God. Even if Hell is separation from God, where do the souls go? Is God not there also. Please explain the seeming paradox to me. How can an omnipotent and omnipresent God not be somewhere. To me, that negates God’s omni-everything. So, given that God is everywhere, as we were taught by Sister Mary Discipline of the Sisters of No Mercy, is God in Hell along with the tortured souls he sentenced there? Does he exist there?

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Jainarayan said:

Cop out!

Seriously, that's a good take, and one I think makes the most sense in the monotheistic religions. Btw, most of us polytheists and other non-monotheists don't generally see God(s) as omnipresent. We usually have to scream at them to get their attention.

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Hi Jainarayan

OMNIPRESENCE AND IT'S DEFINITION
I like your question and it's logic. Of course the answers you get will differ based upon the beliefs of the respondents. I am Christian, though I do not view Gods omnipresence as a physical presence of a spirit that is "omnipresent" in that his spirit "fills the universe" but rather that it is his influence is omnipresent. That is, my current model is that, like a light bulb in a dark room is a single entity, it's influence of spreading light goes beyond the physical bulb itself. It is a simple model and subject to change as my data improves and my mind matures, but that is, currently, my model for what "omnipresence" of God means.


HELL/HADES/WORLD OF SPIRITS/PURGATORY MODEL IN EARLY CHRISTIAN WORLDVIEWS
I also like the point of one of your respondents that the early Christian model of "hades" was not that of a burning, everlasting torture, but of a way-station for the spirits of individuals, a place where the spirits of all the dead went after their bodies died and they awaited the parousia of the Messiah and the subsequent resurrection from the dead.



Good luck in finding the type of insights you are looking for.

Clear
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Clear said:

Of course the answers you get will differ based upon the beliefs of the respondents.

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I was going to mention that very thing. I'm not sure if I should be surprised at the variety of beliefs and answers.

I believe He is but quite obviously not trapped there.

Good-Ole-Rebel said:

(Rev. 20:10) "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. "
(Rev. 20:14-15) "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."Good-Ole-Rebel

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Yes, the definition of the lake of fire is ' second death ' such as Jeremiah 51:39; Jeremiah 51:57 speaks of 'perpetual sleep'.
Since the wicked will be ' destroyed forever ' (Psalms 92:7) then second death is that perpetual sleep Not waking up.
So, in Scripture 'fire ' stands for that destruction or ' second death.'
Remember: Satan was never in any hell, biblical hell or otherwise.
Jesus will ' destroy ' sinner Satan as per Hebrews 2:14 B.
So, the torment or everlasting punishment is: everlasting destruction ---- 1 Thessalonians 1:9; Matthew 25:46

Windwalker said:

This is something like what I challenge Christians with. If God is believed to INFINITE, how can creation, or yourself, be outside of God? That would make God like a block of Swiss cheese with holes in it. There would be places where God is not, making God a limited, finite creature, and not the omnipresent Reality. No one has been able to answer that. God cannot be external to us, as be considered to be Infinite.

But the answer I give is relatively simple. God is not dualistic. God is not an object. In nonduality, there is no division between the subject and object. These are just perceptual frameworks, and not real reality. God is not our dualistic ideas about God. But that is what God is for most people. An idea. When we think about the Absolute, we make it outside ourselves, and thus not God, but an idea of God.

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I believe you are in error. Omnipresence is not the same thing as being everything. So what if God inhabits all your empty spaces. That still doesn't make Him you. I believe what you are talking about is not infinity but holisticism.

coconut theology said:

That is actually incorrect. The "spirits in prison" are men/mankind in the bondage of sin in the days of Noah, per the context. Would you like to see that?

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We see the word ' angels ' at 2 Peter 2:4-5, so the 'spirits' in prison are those fallen angels or spirits of 1 Peter 3:19

Terry Sampson said:

I say: There is one God, boundless (i.e. infinite) and eternal, in one Cosmos, which is also boundless and eternal. Heaven is being in God, knowing it, and liking it. Hell is not liking it, whether one knows where he or she is or not.

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I believe you are wrong. God is everywhere and Heaven is not.

I believe yo are wrong again. Hell is just a place.

Katzpur said:

I don't believe God is omnipresent, so I don't believe He's in Hell. I guess that means there is nothing for me to have to explain.

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If God isn't everywhere then He isn't answering your prayers because He is spending all His time with me.

Terry Sampson said:

I say: There is one God, boundless (i.e. infinite) and eternal, in one Cosmos, which is also boundless and eternal. Heaven is being in God, knowing it, and liking it. Hell is not liking it, whether one knows where he or she is or not.

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The Cosmos is a creation of G-d and G-d exists even if there is no cosmos. Right, please/

Regards

Invisibilis said:

God is real. Hell is not real.
It's wanting and needing to believe in the unreal which makes it hell.

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I believe the lake of fire mentioned in Revelations is Hell.

KenS said:

I'll ask Him when I get to Heaven.

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I believe you don't need to wait,; you can ask me now or read my answers on this post.

ChristineM said:

Interesting question that i, as an atheist, obviously cannot answer. However i am sure there will be some believers in an omni everything god that will give their opinion.

On the same track, i recently read an SF book by Iain M Banks called Surface Detail. It moves around a war to control artificial heavens and hell's. No god involved, just power hungry people. Very interesting, to me who considered Iain Banks a god anyway.

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I believe I will have to look that one up. I enjoy SciFi. No doubt people like the idea of playing god.

Jainarayan said:

Well, is he? For those who believe in an omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent God and believe in Hell, especially a literal one, is God there? I don't think it matters if Hell is literal or figurative. It's a place where condemned and punished souls are sent by God. Even if Hell is separation from God, where do the souls go? Is God not there also. Please explain the seeming paradox to me. How can an omnipotent and omnipresent God not be somewhere. To me, that negates God’s omni-everything. So, given that God is everywhere, as we were taught by Sister Mary Discipline of the Sisters of No Mercy, is God in Hell along with the tortured souls he sentenced there? Does he exist there?

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One take that makes sense is that hell is a state of the soul and not a literal place or realm. It is the state of the soul rejecting God's grace and experiencing it as torment. So heaven and hell are internal, just a matter of perspective.

Jainarayan said:

Well, is he? For those who believe in an omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent God and believe in Hell, especially a literal one, is God there? I don't think it matters if Hell is literal or figurative. It's a place where condemned and punished souls are sent by God. Even if Hell is separation from God, where do the souls go? Is God not there also. Please explain the seeming paradox to me. How can an omnipotent and omnipresent God not be somewhere. To me, that negates God’s omni-everything. So, given that God is everywhere, as we were taught by Sister Mary Discipline of the Sisters of No Mercy, is God in Hell along with the tortured souls he sentenced there? Does he exist there?

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I believe hell is the complete and total absence of Gods presence.

I would imagine it like a well, where the deeper you go, the darker it gets. In imagining it this way, places in upper hell such as Hades, there would still some minimal light (God's presence). But in the deepest pits of hell, it is complete torture and total agony, since God is the source of all that is good. And he is not there.

Saint Frankenstein said:

One take that makes sense is that hell is a state of the soul and not a literal place or realm. It is the state of the soul rejecting God's grace and experiencing it as torment. So heaven and hell are everywhere, just a matter of perspective.

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I think that's becoming the majority belief. It seems evangelicals and fundamentalists, and Bible literalists take Hell to be a physical realm.

Jainarayan said:

I think that's becoming the majority belief. It seems evangelicals and fundamentalists, and Bible literalists take Hell to be a physical realm.

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Taking religion literally is a good way to lead yourself astray.