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Your family in Hell whilst you're in Heaven?
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Terry Sampson
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LOL! Previously, you wrote:
So,
- given that you're interested in truth and in evidence;
- given that you believe that the bible is a book of superstitions written for the superstitious; and
- given that truth is clearly important to you,
- what words, in either the title of this thread or in the OP, suggest to you that there's even the slightest chance that you're going to find anything in this thread that might come close to being the kind of truth or evidence that is important to you?
- If it's truth and evidence you're looking for, you're in the wrong thread.
- So if you're in the wrong thread, why are you here?
- Your words, which I quoted first, tell me: You're not here to look for truth and evidence, you're here to jerk theists' claims.
- Now, I don't know where you're from, but where I come from, that's "meddling".
nPeace
Veteran Member
Not believing in him? Does God kill people merely for not believing in him? I have never seen that. Did you read that in the Bible? Could you point out where, if you have?
Can you show me where I can find this as a fact?
Humane, according to one dictionary says... having or showing compassion or benevolence.
That's what God is, according to the Bible.
God rids the earth of the wicked. It is righteous to do so. (2 Thessalonians 1:6)
It is also justice, to repay people for the wrong they do to others.
What do you think should be done to someone who is a serial killer, who rapes his victims, and then mercilessly butchers them - teenagers included?
Do you think they should go to prison for life? Just want to get your opinion, on this.
Why would the most humane being in existence never kill?
I see that you gave your opinion, but I would like to know why you think that your opinion should be a general rule.
nPeace
Veteran Member
Terry Sampson
Well-Known Member
Now, let's see if you get a warning from a Mod for calling the Pope a name in public.
epronovost
Well-Known Member
You tell me, I cannot tell what you believe in or what you think it is.
Can you tell me in your own words if the OP's family and I going to tortured for all eternity, destroyed or otherwise punished for being basically blasphemers and unbelievers?
Terry Sampson
Well-Known Member
Pope Hilarious II, maybe??
Cooky
Veteran Member
Nah. In Catholicism, both you and @Pope Hilarius II might get a pass on invincible ignorance. At least we hope.
Invincible ignorance (Catholic theology) - Wikipedia
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As I understand it, and based on what's been said in this thread, I was under the impression that there is a body of opinion which states that God effectively kills people for the "crime" of not believing in him, as opposed to torturing them...
Such a person should be imprisoned in terrible conditions for as long as they live and then be punished in the afterlife, as a kind of extension of their prison sentence. I believe such a person would be barred from ever setting foot in Heaven and should suffer the consequences of his deeds for all eternity. I believe in evil, and that evil people go to Hell. It is a place for evil people, not for good people who don't believe in a certain God - as not believing in God is not evil and is therefore not a reason to send anyone to Hell
Because even moderately humane beings never kill
nPeace
Veteran Member
I have made Jesus words my own words. They are what I believe.
I don't know who will be destroyed, other than the wicked.
I can only go by what is written. That's what God, Jesus, and the prophets said.
To make up ideas, and then say my idea is what will happen, is not rational.
Cooky
Veteran Member
I still think the Catholic position, that God punishes no one is the best. And that it's the total separation from God, that explicitly 'causes' anguish, pain and ill feelings, which is the root cause of the torment in hell -which is all initiated, and carried out by the soul who hates God, and not by God Himself.
....If a soul wishes to be separated from all that is good, out of spite for God, then that should be that souls decision, which God should allow through His offering of free will.
Because God is the fountain of life and all that is good. In His absence, there can only be pain.
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nPeace
Veteran Member
Not from what I read in the Bible... unless I missed it, and you can help me by pointing it out.
Are you referring to John 3:16, where some translations use the word believe?
If so, the Greek expression there means more than believe. Also, those people die from inherited sin, not from God killing them. God only kills the wicked. Those who know what is right, or refuses to, but delights in unrighteousness.
However, we are not more righteous than God... Or do you disagree? Do you think you are more righteous than God?
So you do believe in torturing people... forever (imprisoned in terrible conditions for as long as they live and then be punished in the afterlife). Punished how exactly?
God promises to remove all badness from his sight. What did Habakkuk say? (Habakkuk 1:13) . . .Your eyes are too pure to look on what is evil. . .
I'm sure one side of your house is not filthy, and the other side clean. I hope.
God will clean house. No "filth" will exist, eventually.
So you never killed anything. A centipede? A mosquito? A fly? Would you kill a snake? How about a dog that attacks you, or yours? Why... why not?
If you had a dog, that started mauling, would you put it down, or call the animal control, that will do it for you?
What's the difference between those animals, and a vicious human?
Cooky
Veteran Member
I have heard that Jesus appears to people seconds before death, and offers them the chance. The bible is not a tell-all. If it were, we would know everything.
....But an all loving God would never throw you away.
nPeace
Veteran Member
If the Catholic's position were based on what the Bible really teaches, I would accept it.
Cooky
Veteran Member
I trust it. Thousands of people for thousands of years dedicating their lives to God through the Church? God would never let us down. An all loving God would not allow it.
nPeace
Veteran Member
You trust the Catholic church? I'm sure you have your reasons. Would you mind sharing why?
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
Everyone is entitled to their faith, but this is not what the Bible says. Oh I forgot, some religions do not always follow the Bible.
Your Christian perspective is way off 1st there is no hell look the word up in Hebrew or greek 2nd nobody is in hell now that are dead Christ taught this in luke 16 with richman and lazerus there is a gulf in heaven those that overcome on one side with Abraham by the way who is alive and those that did not followed the way of the world satan to say. all dead go to heaven 2 Corinthians 5vrs 8 to be absent from this body is to be present with the lord...…. ecclesiastes 12 vrs 6-7 silver cord breaks soul goes to lord your not out here in the ground just your flesh body goes back to dirt we have a 1000yr millinium coming with Christ return all them that don't overcome it is summer school and gods elect the overcomers are teacher for that 1000yr then satan is released for short period and they are tested who they going to love GOD or satan then the lake of fire for all who fail GOD don't wont them and neither should you and all memory of them will be blotted out you will never miss them there are no tears in heaven all im saying can be found in the word of god not some church pamphlet but the word you have been hearing mans word for to long 1st ressurection is when you die if you have overcome john 3 vrs16 with Abraham on the right side the 2nd resurection has no power over you it is for those on the other side hopefully our teaching at that time we will pull many out of the second death with Christ help of course because we cant do nothing only Christ can and remember this GOD only is judge not you you really don't know what your family thinks only god does he is a heart knower that means mind reader ther last minitue on earth they might overcome just like the thieve on the right side of Christ he did not jump down of that cross to be baptized did he no he believed john 3 vrs 16 hope this helps you overcome
psalms 37 vrs 20 takes care of all that GOD is aconsuming fire the holy spirit for those that love him and a consuming fire for those that dont
read the subject of mark 9 to know what it means matthew 25 everlasting gone up in smoke forever no more......
not kill is a miss transalation the word in Hebrew and greek is murder criminal homicide psalms 144 the solders prayer
epronovost
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Am I, and the OP's family, considered wicked in your belief system?