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God is sick

1213

Well-Known Member
...He also condoned mass murder, sex slavery and rape.

Murder is unjust killing, God doesn’t order that. And we have no reason to believe He condones rape. And if you would read the whole Bible, you would let people to be free and not slaves, for example because if you love other as yourself and because:

The word that came to Jeremiah from Yahweh, after that the king Zedekiah had made a covenant with all the people who were at Jerusalem, to proclaim liberty to them; that every man should let his man-servant, and every man his maid-servant, who is a Hebrew or a Hebrewess, go free; that none should make bondservants of them, to wit, of a Jew his brother. All the princes and all the people obeyed, who had entered into the covenant, that everyone should let his man-servant, and everyone his maid-servant, go free, that none should make bondservants of them any more; they obeyed, and let them go: but afterwards they turned, and caused the servants and the handmaids, whom they had let go free, to return, and brought them into subjection for servants and for handmaids. Therefore the word of Yahweh came to Jeremiah from Yahweh, saying, At the end of seven years you shall let go every man his brother who is a Hebrew, who has been sold to you, and has served you six years, you shall let him go free from you: but your fathers didn't listen to me, neither inclined their ear. You were now turned, and had done that which is right in my eyes, in proclaiming liberty every man to his neighbor; and you had made a covenant before me in the house which is called by my name: but you turned and profaned my name, and caused every man his servant, and every man his handmaid, whom you had let go free at their pleasure, to return; and you brought them into subjection, to be to you for servants and for handmaids. Therefore thus says Yahweh: you have not listened to me, to proclaim liberty, every man to his brother, and every man to his neighbor: behold, I proclaim to you a liberty, says Yahweh, to the sword, to the pestilence, and to the famine; and I will make you to be tossed back and forth among all the kingdoms of the earth.
Jeremiah 34:8-17

Don't become bondservants of men.
1 Cor. 7:23

And I think people who must pay taxes are slaves.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Murder is unjust killing, God doesn’t order that. And we have no reason to believe He condones rape. And if you would read the whole Bible, you would let people to be free and not slaves, for example because if you love other as yourself and because:

The word that came to Jeremiah from Yahweh, after that the king Zedekiah had made a covenant with all the people who were at Jerusalem, to proclaim liberty to them; that every man should let his man-servant, and every man his maid-servant, who is a Hebrew or a Hebrewess, go free; that none should make bondservants of them, to wit, of a Jew his brother. All the princes and all the people obeyed, who had entered into the covenant, that everyone should let his man-servant, and everyone his maid-servant, go free, that none should make bondservants of them any more; they obeyed, and let them go: but afterwards they turned, and caused the servants and the handmaids, whom they had let go free, to return, and brought them into subjection for servants and for handmaids. Therefore the word of Yahweh came to Jeremiah from Yahweh, saying, At the end of seven years you shall let go every man his brother who is a Hebrew, who has been sold to you, and has served you six years, you shall let him go free from you: but your fathers didn't listen to me, neither inclined their ear. You were now turned, and had done that which is right in my eyes, in proclaiming liberty every man to his neighbor; and you had made a covenant before me in the house which is called by my name: but you turned and profaned my name, and caused every man his servant, and every man his handmaid, whom you had let go free at their pleasure, to return; and you brought them into subjection, to be to you for servants and for handmaids. Therefore thus says Yahweh: you have not listened to me, to proclaim liberty, every man to his brother, and every man to his neighbor: behold, I proclaim to you a liberty, says Yahweh, to the sword, to the pestilence, and to the famine; and I will make you to be tossed back and forth among all the kingdoms of the earth.
Jeremiah 34:8-17

Don't become bondservants of men.
1 Cor. 7:23

And I think people who must pay taxes are slaves.

I think your criteria for unjust and mine are somewhat different.

Telling your buddies to take the virgin women of conquers peoples and using them as sex slaves is condoning both slavery and rape.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
The first part of your answer is from old testament (you do know old testament is not for Christians?)
Some Christians may not think the OT applies to them, but they still take it as true. And if the OT is true then the characterizations of god as X, Y, and Z are true--still true. So, in that god abetted owning people as property and making them do what the owner wanted under fear of punishment, slavery, which is immoral, god was immoral, and because god never changes* he remains immoral til today. Or do you believe that keeping people as property and making them do what you want under fear of punishment to be moral?

*
Malachi 3:6
“For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.

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Ebionite

Well-Known Member
Don't forget, according to the bible he was the first genocidal maniac and murdered every living thing (that he created) except a close buddy and the buddies immediate family.
It's not murder when it's lawful. Sometimes there's no remedy for evil other than destruction.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
"God" wasn't involved, and Job means hated.

Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils
Psalm 106:37

The Book of Job describes a man who was pious, and because of his piety, becomes the subject of torture as God tries to prove to Satan that Job will remain pious despite the torture. God was most certainly involved.
 

Ebionite

Well-Known Member
The Book of Job describes a man who was pious, and because of his piety, becomes the subject of torture as God tries to prove to Satan that Job will remain pious despite the torture. God was most certainly involved.
That wasn't the reason. What was Job doing immediately before Satan came onto the scene?
In the book of Job "God" is a translation of Elohim, and it wasn't Elohim who was contending with Satan.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
It's not murder when it's lawful. Sometimes there's no remedy for evil other than destruction.

Ok, lets lets analyse what you just said.

First, an omniscient god created a race of humans and gives them free will, remember omniscient. He then sets them free to exercise their free will. Because he does not like what he knowingly created he kills them all, along with everything else, except a close buddy and buddies immediate family. How is this lawful?

Second, can i ask where was the statute written that makes genocide lawful?

Third, Kim Jong Un (who is a god by the way) makes an edict that everyone in the world should worship him. Does that make it lawful for him to nuke north America?
 

Ebionite

Well-Known Member
First, an omniscient god created a race of humans and gives them free will, remember omniscient.

And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
Jeremiah 32:35
 

1213

Well-Known Member
I think your criteria for unjust and mine are somewhat different.

Telling your buddies to take the virgin women of conquers peoples and using them as sex slaves is condoning both slavery and rape.

The idea of sex slaves seems to come from your mind, not from the Bible.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
That wasn't the reason. What was Job doing immediately before Satan came onto the scene?

There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. 1:2 And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters. 1:3 His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east. 1:4 And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them. 1:5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.

The Book of Job

So seems pretty pious to me.

In the book of Job "God" is a translation of Elohim, and it wasn't Elohim who was contending with Satan.

I can get behind Elohim also referring to Canaanite gods, but from the context of Christianity, the God in Job contending with Satan is the God.
 

Ebionite

Well-Known Member
So seems pretty pious to me.
And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not.
And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away.
And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.
Genesis 15:10-12

I can get behind Elohim also referring to Canaanite gods, but from the context of Christianity, the God in Job contending with Satan is the God.
The book of Job wasn't written by Christians.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not.
And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away.
And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.
Genesis 15:10-12

Is Abram Job?

The book of Job wasn't written by Christians.

Obviously. But it is used by them. In the context of a Christian God, this action taken is cruel.

But you didn't answer my question. Who do you think was contending with Satan concerning Job?
 

Ebionite

Well-Known Member
Is Abram Job?
No, but there a similar themes in the stories.

Obviously. But it is used by them. In the context of a Christian God, this action taken is cruel.
That's their problem.

But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Matthew 12:7

Who do you think was contending with Satan concerning Job?
According to the text it was YHWH.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
No, but there a similar themes in the stories.

Which has to do with what Job was doing before Satan entered the picture how? Drawing parallels is fine, but I am working from the context of the OP. My own take on Job is far more figurative.

That's their problem.

And the subject of the OP:
The God most Christians and Muslims promote makes me want to vomit!

According to the text it was YHWH.

Also God for the typical viewpoint of the Abrahamic faiths, no?
 
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