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"End Times" (Christianity)
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coconut theology
coconuts for Jesus
End Times, and the final events will be rapid ones:I have questions, regarding "End Times" in Christianity:
1) What events are going to happen?
2) In what order will such events occur?
Extra kudos for citing passages from the bible
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
An image of the events:
Link to enlarged Image Here.
It is a reference to the days of the dark ages and the persecution thereof, "after the tribulation of those days" (referred to in Daniel 7:25, 12:7; Revelation 11:2-3, 12:6,14, 13:5; Luke 21:24.)
And as such, ties directly to the events of the 6th Seal, currently under way:
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
We are right now, between those two verses.
The other events in it, already took place (history).
Earthquake – Lisbon, AD November 1, 1755 (to be followed up, there was an earthquake at Jesus death, and there was an earthquake at His resurrection (both of which involved Angels, including Gabriel), interesting is the fact that there are endtime events which parallel those in the events of Jesus in AD 31, sandwiched between two earthquakes, like a special resurrection, etc, see details in the Desire of Ages and Great Controversy)
Dark Day (Sun/Moon) – AD May 19, 1780
Stars – AD November 13, 1833
Heaven Departed as a scroll (not Yet, still Future) (like as a veil)
Dark Day (Sun/Moon) – AD May 19, 1780
Stars – AD November 13, 1833
Heaven Departed as a scroll (not Yet, still Future) (like as a veil)
Details:
[1,290, AD 508 unto AD 1798]
Daniel 12:11 KJB - "... a thousand two hundred and ninety days."
[1,335, AD 508 unto AD 1843/44]
Daniel 12:12 KJB - "Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days."
Revelation 14:13 KJB - "... Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth ..."
[70 Weeks, 62 + 7 + 1 [1/2 + 1/2], 457 BC unto AD 27 [Baptism], unto AD 31 [Cross], unto AD 34 [Stephen], then the remaining 1810, unto AD 1843/44]
Daniel 9:24-27 KJB - Whole ...
[5 Anti-typical feast Months, AD 31-100, unto AD 1833/34, Day of Trumpets, from Pentecost; Leviticus 23; Woe 1, Woe 2 and Woe 3, encompassing the whole 'Exodus', 'Wilderness' unto 'Canaan']
Revelation 9:5 KJB - "... five months ..."
Revelation 9:6 KJB - "... those days ..."
Revelation 9:10 KJB - "... five months ..."
[1,260, 42 months, time, times and 1/2 time; AD 538 unto AD 1798]
Daniel 7:25 KJB - "... a time and times and the dividing of time." ["wear out the saints"]
Daniel 12:7 KJB - "... a time, times, and a half ..." ["scatter the power of the holy people"]
Matthew 24:29 KJB - "... the tribulation of those days ..." [reference to Daniel]
Mark 13:24 KJB - "...that tribulation ..." [reference to Daniel]
Luke 21:24 KJB - "... the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."
Revelation 6:11 KJB - "... killed as they were ..." [two groups, past and future, see Rev. 20:4 KJB]
Revelation 11:2 KJB - "... given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months."
Revelation 11:3 KJB - "... a thousand two hundred and threescore days ..."
Revelation 12:6 KJB - "... a thousand two hundred and threescore days."
Revelation 12:14 KJB - "... a time, and times, and a half a time ..." ["persecuted", see vs 13]
Revelation 13:5 KJB - " ... forty and two months." ["power" was given to "him" [1st [sea] Beast, Rev. 13]]
[Great Lisbon Earthquake, AD 1755, November 1]
Revelation 6:12 KJB - "... a great earthquake ..."
[Great Dark Day, AD 1780, May 19 - Sun]
Joel 2:10 KJB - "... the sun ... shall be dark ..."
Joel 2:31 KJB - "The sun shall be turned into darkness ..."
Matthew 24:29 KJB - "... shall the sun be darkened ..."
Mark 13:24 KJB - "... the sun shall be darkened ..."
Luke 21:25 KJB - "And there shall be signs in the sun ..."
Acts 2:20 KJB - "The sun shall be turned into darkness ..."
Revelation 6:12 KJB - "... and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair ..."
[Great Dark Day, AD 1780, May 19 - Moon]
Joel 2:10 KJB - "... and the moon shall be dark ..."
Joel 2:31 KJB - "... and the moon into blood ..." [before the great and terrible day of the LORD come]
Matthew 24:29 KJB - "... and the moon shall not give her light ..."
Mark 13:24 KJB - "... and the moon shall not give her light,"
Luke 21:25 KJB - "... and in the moon ..."
Acts 2:20 KJB - "... and the moon into blood ..." [before that great and notable day of the Lord come]]
Revelation 6:12 KJB - "... and the moon became as blood;"
[Reign of Terror, French Revolution, AD 1793 unto AD 1797/8; 'spiritually Egypt and Sodom']
Revelation 11:9 KJB - "... three days and an half ..."
Revelation 11:11 KJB - "... after three days and a half ..."
[Great Leonid Meteor Shower, AD 1833, November 13]
Matthew 24:29 KJB - "... and the stars shall fall from heaven ..."
Mark 13:25 KJB - "And the stars of heaven shall fall ..."
Luke 21:25 KJB - "... and in the stars ..."
Revelation 6:13 KJB - "And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth ..."
[Day of Atonement, AD 1844, October 22; 2,300 which began in 457 BC, Ezra 7, Daniel 9, etc ending in AD 1843/44]
Daniel 8:14 KJB - "... Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."
Revelation 9:15 KJB - "... prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year ..." [Rev. 14:6-7; Leviticus 23:26-32; 1 Kings 8:2; Daniel 8:13,14,26, etc]
Revelation 10:6 KJB - "... that there should be time no longer ..." [no more prophetic time as a test]
Luke 21:25 KJB - "... and upon earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;"
Isaiah 13:7 KJB - "Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:"
Isaiah 13:8 KJB - "And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrow shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth ..."
Luke 21:26 KJB - "Men's heart's failing them from fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth ..."
Isaiah 13:10 KJB - "For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine."
Joel 2:10 KJB - "... and the stars shall withdraw their shining:"
Joel 3:15 KJB - "The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining."
[The Close of probation for mankind in receiving and assimilating the Everlasting Gospel]
Daniel 12:1 KJB -"And at that time shall Michael stand up ... there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time ..."
Luke 13:25 KJB - "When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without ..."
Revelation 10:7 KJB - "In the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished ..."
Revelation 22:11 KJB - "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still."
[7 Last plagues, Wrath of God poured out]
Job 14:13 KJB - "... thy wrath ..."
Revelation 11:18 KJB - "... and thy wrath is come ..." [Revelation 16:2-17 KJB]
[Final Events]
Jeremiah 25:30 KJB - "... The LORD shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth."
Joel 2:11 KJB - "And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army ..."
Joel 3:16 KJB - "The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, utter his voice from Jerusalem ..." [New Jerusalem in Heaven]
Joel 3:16 KJB - "... and the heavens and the earth shall shake ..."
Mark 13:25 KJB - "... and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken."
Luke 21:26 KJB - "... for the powers of heaven shall be shaken."
Hebrews 12:26 KJB - "... I shake not the earth only, but also heaven:"
1 Kings 18:44 KJB - "... ariseth a little cloud out of the sea, like a man's hand ..."
Matthew 24:30 KJB - "And then shall the appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven ..."
Revelation 6:14 KJB - "And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together ..."
Revelation 16:18 KJB - "... a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great."
Revelation 6:14 KJB - "... and every mountain and island were moved out of their places."
Revelation 16:20 KJB - "And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found."
Matthew 24:30 KJB - "... and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."
Mark 13:26 KJB - "And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory."
Luke 21:27 KJB - "And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and glory."
Revelation 6:15 KJB - "And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every freeman, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;"
The National Sunday Law takes place soon:Joel 2:11 KJB - "And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army ..."
Joel 3:16 KJB - "The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, utter his voice from Jerusalem ..." [New Jerusalem in Heaven]
Joel 3:16 KJB - "... and the heavens and the earth shall shake ..."
Mark 13:25 KJB - "... and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken."
Luke 21:26 KJB - "... for the powers of heaven shall be shaken."
Hebrews 12:26 KJB - "... I shake not the earth only, but also heaven:"
1 Kings 18:44 KJB - "... ariseth a little cloud out of the sea, like a man's hand ..."
Matthew 24:30 KJB - "And then shall the appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven ..."
Revelation 6:14 KJB - "And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together ..."
Revelation 16:18 KJB - "... a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great."
Revelation 6:14 KJB - "... and every mountain and island were moved out of their places."
Revelation 16:20 KJB - "And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found."
Matthew 24:30 KJB - "... and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."
Mark 13:26 KJB - "And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory."
Luke 21:27 KJB - "And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and glory."
Revelation 6:15 KJB - "And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every freeman, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;"
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I'll let you know right after they happen.
Terry Sampson
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exchemist
Veteran Member
Well, this should bring all the 7th Day Adventists and JWs out of the woodwork.I have questions, regarding "End Times" in Christianity:
1) What events are going to happen?
2) In what order will such events occur?
Extra kudos for citing passages from the bible
Now, where's my popcorn?
amatuerscholar
Member
I have questions, regarding "End Times" in Christianity:
1) What events are going to happen?
2) In what order will such events occur?
Extra kudos for citing passages from the bible
Very difficult question. Part of it is because people generally misunderstand the nature of a few works, specifically Revelations. According to mainstream scholars, the book of Revelations isn't about the end times, but is about things happening at the time in which the book is being written. It was written in a code so as to not invite the wrath of Rome, which the book is really taking to task. However, the book has later been reinterpreted to be speaking of the end times, and that is where a lot of the end times prophecies happen.
Instead, we should be looking at Jesus, Paul, and the apocalyptic or eschatological teachings within Judaism. Looking at Josephus, he mentions a few would be messiahs who try to usher in the end times. In each case, we have something similar happening. There is a group that goes out to the wilderness, and then begins a march into Jerusalem (and generally they are slaughtered). The idea was that by marching into Jerusalem, God would intervene and Rome would be cast away, so that the Kingdom of God could be set up in its place.
Jesus probably had a similar view. It's why he went into the Temple and "destroyed" it. It was a symbolic destruction that was meant to be seen as a cleansing that preceded God's setting up His Kingdom. Many view the actions of Jesus as being someone who is trying to force God to usher in this new Kingdom.
What both views had in similar was that what amounted to the end times simply would be the destruction of the earthly kingdom, and the ushering in of a new Kingdom, the Kingdom of God. They also thought they could help force it.
We get a bit of a different view from Paul. Paul believes he is living in the end times, and that it would happen before he was dead. He thought it was immanent. Part of this had to do with the idea of resurrection. Jesus being resurrected, for Paul, wasn't something unique. It signified the start of the general resurrection, a view that Jews had had for quite some time, and a view that was part of the Pharisaic school. Some of his churches even thought that the resurrection already happened, such as the Corinthians, who some believed they themselves had been resurrected. Paul then had to clear that up for them.
Paul also took on the view of Jeremiah and other Hebrew prophets, namely the idea that every knee shall bow at the end of times. This is why Paul goes out to the Gentiles and doesn't advocate for them to convert, because it wasn't necessary when God set up his kingdom. Every nation would be welcomed in, they just needed to hear the message.
exchemist
Veteran Member
Now that is not at all what I was expecting and makes very interesting reading.
coconut theology
coconuts for Jesus
Present!Well, this should bring all the 7th Day Adventists ...out of the woodwork.
Now, where's my popcorn?
Revelation 12 is understood after the following manner:
Revelation as a whole, along with Daniel may be seen in fullness of structure here -
Study Notes – Michael the archangel [X6] – Appendix 6 – Daniel & the Revelation compared, 7 Branch Candlestick (PDF)
Study Notes – Michael the archangel [X7] – Appendix 7 – Daniel 11.1-20 KJB, 3 Angels Messages, a work in progress (PDF)
Study Notes – Michael the archangel [X7] – Appendix 7 – Daniel 11.1-20 KJB, 3 Angels Messages, a work in progress (PDF)
I also want to include, as a Seventh-day Adventist, the material from the Spirit of Prophecy, in matters of OP, very comprehensive (detailed):
The Book Great Controversy also sheds great light, Read (listen to) First Chapter and appropriate later chapters (around chapter 35 Liberty of Conscience Threatened unto the ending)
You can also peruse the following helps:
The Final Events Study Guide – Doug Batchelor – Amazing Facts (PDF)
The Final Events Of Bible Prophecy Magazine – Doug Batchelor – Amazing Facts – AFScan (PDF)
The Day Of The LORD Magazine – Doug Batchelor – Amazing Facts – AFScan (PDF)
Daniel & Revelation Magazine – Doug Batchelor – Amazing Facts – AFScan (PDF)
questfortruth
Well-Known Member
I have so many to say, with evidence. But you should become my pen pal, write me PM.I have questions, regarding "End Times" in Christianity:
1) What events are going to happen?
2) In what order will such events occur?
Extra kudos for citing passages from the bible
questfortruth
Well-Known Member
Look at Revelation verses about white horse and red horse, then look at "Doomsday Clock"I have questions, regarding "End Times" in Christianity:
1) What events are going to happen?
2) In what order will such events occur?
Extra kudos for citing passages from the bible
I have questions, regarding "End Times" in Christianity:
1) What events are going to happen?
2) In what order will such events occur?
Extra kudos for citing passages from the bible
Well one must say it did happen as such one can quote dates to you.
The 'Glory of God' has come via the Gate facing East.
But first the Two Witnesses had to come and give prophecy for 1260 years. The 7 kingdoms and 10 Kings of the Beast had to subdue the Holy land and hold it captive until the Gospel was preached throughout the Nations, for 1260 years.
So in the year 1260, which was 1844 the edict of toleration was signed and the time of the Gentiles was fulfilled.
May 22nd 1844, the Gate opened, the Bab declared that He was the promised one in Scriptures and in 9 tumultuous years prepared the way for the Glory of God, Baha'u'llah, the Father. In 1863 Baha'u'llah openly declared His mission.
All supported in the Bible and other scriptures.
Regards Tony
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