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The truth behind Ron Wyatt's archaeological discoveries.

Shad

Veteran Member
Why would the Wyatt museum display stolen goods?

His goods are fakes that is why.

My point is if his items were authentic and verified he would not have any of the items he claims are real due to 1) being a nobody 2) no connection with any major institution for funding, security, preservation, etc.No archaeology institution is going to hand out items without knowledge those items are safe. Wyatt does not have the training nor funding.


Do you know that they are stolen? If so, why are the relevant authorities not claiming them back?

See above.

As far as the grain silos are concerned, I understand that grain is usually stored in silos for annual needs. Seven years of famine calls for unusually large silos, and this is what was found at Siqqara, dating to a period of Egyptian history that corresponds with the times of Joseph.

Ad hoc rescue and begging the question. You are assuming what you wish to prove via Joseph and the silos. A large silo does not prove anything beside needing a large silo. That could be easily explained as supply and demand. A high yield season necessitates larger silos
 

sooda

Veteran Member
His goods are fakes that is why.

My point is if his items were authentic and verified he would not have any of the items he claims are real due to 1) being a nobody 2) no connection with any major institution for funding, security, preservation, etc.No archaeology institution is going to hand out items without knowledge those items are safe. Wyatt does not have the training nor funding.




See above.



Ad hoc rescue and begging the question. You are assuming what you wish to prove via Joseph and the silos. A large silo does not prove anything beside needing a large silo. That could be easily explained as supply and demand. A high yield season necessitates larger silos

There are granaries is Jordan that date to 11,000 BC.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
There are granaries is Jordan that date to 11,000 BC.

Sure. Silos are normal for a society that developed agriculture with high yields and developing specialist jobs

Keep in mind what Egypt was during this era (Joseph time frame) and what Syria was not; a bread basket. Pointing out large silos in such a place and time is a "well.. duh" moment
 

Redemptionsong

Well-Known Member
None of it is "genuinely " historic as when it describes real events
it is so sketchy that one gets little information.

I believe there is a sound geographic and historic foundation to the whole Bible.

From your response, I gather that you have not had the good fortune to have visited Israel, but if you had, you would have seen for yourself the thousands of sites and artifacts that confirm this land as a land occupied by the Israelites.

Whilst visiting Jerusalem in 1990, I was taken along Hezekiah's tunnel by a Palestinian guide. With just tapers to light our way, we walked through a narrow conduit between the Kidron Valley and the pool of Siloam. At the time I knew little about this tunnel, but was later excited to find it mentioned in scripture [2 Kings 20:20; 2 Chron. 32:3,32; Isaiah 22:9]. Inscriptions made by the tunnelers have helped to confirm this conduit as the one that King Hezekiah ordered be built to provide supplies of water during a siege of the city.

Did Hezekiah exist? Certainly. He reigned in Judah from about 716 B.C.E. for 29 years. Hezekiah met Isaiah, and was familiar with the warnings given by the prophet Isaiah about the Assyrian invasion under Sennacherib [2 Kings 19:20]. Hezekiah also had his life extended by fifteen years after Isaiah had told him to 'set thine house in order; for thou shalt die and not live'. Only prayer and tears brought compassion from God [2 Kings 20:6].

To further add to the binding of scripture, the prophet Jeremiah states that Micah prophesied during the reign of Hezekiah [Jeremiah 26:18].

Hezekiah's tunnel is just one of numerous stories that could be told that matches the physical evidence in Israel with the documentary evidence of the Bible.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Just a note: Any thread with the title "the truth behind Ron Wyatt's archaeological discoveries" belongs in a joke forum.

He claims to have found the anchor stones for Noah's Ark.

Ron Wyatt - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Wyatt
Ronald Eldon Wyatt
(2 June 1933 – August 4, 1999) was an adventurer noted for advocating the Durupınar site as the site of Noah's Ark, along with almost 100 other alleged Bible-related discoveries. He has been dismissed by scientists, historians, biblical scholars, as well as his fellow creationists. 1 Biography 2 Amateur archaeology
 

Redemptionsong

Well-Known Member
It isn't historical at all. That was never the intention.. Its teaching narrative to teach about Israel's relationship with God. Its a tale of redemption.. Its a morality tale. Its didactic literature. NOT history.

How can you convey a spiritual message about Israel's relationship with God if Israel doesn't exist?
 

Redemptionsong

Well-Known Member
He claims to have found the anchor stones for Noah's Ark.

Ron Wyatt - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Wyatt
Ronald Eldon Wyatt
(2 June 1933 – August 4, 1999) was an adventurer noted for advocating the Durupınar site as the site of Noah's Ark, along with almost 100 other alleged Bible-related discoveries. He has been dismissed by scientists, historians, biblical scholars, as well as his fellow creationists. 1 Biography 2 Amateur archaeology

Yes, we've had similar cuttings provided by others.

Ron Wyatt may have been dismissed by the archaeological establishment but this does not prove that all his discoveries were wrong.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Yes, we've had similar cuttings provided by others.

Ron Wyatt may have been dismissed by the archaeological establishment but this does not prove that all his discoveries were wrong.

Consider why Christians would glorify liars, cheats and conmen. Is that the message you want to send American children?
 

sooda

Veteran Member
I didn't. You said that Israel, Jacob, did not exist. You said he was just a myth. If Jacob did not exist, then the tribes of Israel did not exist, and hence all Israelites are a myth.

Israel emerged from the Canaanite tribes in Palestine. They were a landless bedu tribe whereas the Canaanites were successful with organized cities and industry like mining, metallurgy and pottery making. They were protected by Egyptian garrisons and paid tribute to Pharaoh.
 

Redemptionsong

Well-Known Member
Israel emerged from the Canaanite tribes in Palestine. They were a landless bedu tribe whereas the Canaanites were successful with organized cities and industry like mining, metallurgy and pottery making. They were protected by Egyptian garrisons and paid tribute to Pharaoh.

So, according to your history, Israel never had an exodus from Egypt. Therefore Moses, Joseph, Jacob, Isaac and Abraham never existed!

Try convincing Jews, Christians and Muslims on that score! In trying to rewrite history, you have also made a mockery of God's Word; a mockery of the historical narrative of redemption.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
So, according to your history, Israel never had an exodus from Egypt. Therefore Moses, Joseph, Jacob, Isaac and Abraham never existed!

Try convincing Jews, Christians and Muslims on that score! In trying to rewrite history, you have also made a mockery of God's Word; a mockery of the historical narrative of redemption.

Do you think America doesn't exist if you don't believe Pecos Bill created the Grand Canyon?
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
So, according to your history, Israel never had an exodus from Egypt. Therefore Moses, Joseph, Jacob, Isaac and Abraham never existed!

Here's the thing. Believing that the epic story of Exodus is mostly legend doesn't mean believing that it all fiction. I'm confident that there's a kernel of truth at the heart of it, but that truth doesn't include the Parting of the Red Sea.

To me, the most plausible explanation is this. A small tribal group of Cananites moved to the outer edge of Egypt for a few generations. A charismatic leader convinced them to follow him back to their ancestral home. When they got there the land was largely occupied by people who didn't want them there. After a couple of generations of violence and mayhem the intruders were absorbed into the local population. But the story of Moses was quite inspiring and the legends started to grow almost immediately. They continued to grow for a few centuries, until we got the Epic of Exodus. More like a docudrama, fiction based on a real story, than history. But still very gripping and inspiring.

But the reason people like Wyatt have tried and failed, for centuries, to find any real evidence is because it didn't really happen as told. Not even close.
Tom
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Here's the thing. Believing that the epic story of Exodus is mostly legend doesn't mean believing that it all fiction. I'm confident that there's a kernel of truth at the heart of it, but that truth doesn't include the Parting of the Red Sea.

To me, the most plausible explanation is this. A small tribal group of Cananites moved to the outer edge of Egypt for a few generations. A charismatic leader convinced them to follow him back to their ancestral home. When they got there the land was largely occupied by people who didn't want them there. After a couple of generations of violence and mayhem the intruders were absorbed into the local population. But the story of Moses was quite inspiring and the legends started to grow almost immediately. They continued to grow for a few centuries, until we got the Epic of Exodus. More like a docudrama, fiction based on a real story, than history. But still very gripping and inspiring.

But the reason people like Wyatt have tried and failed, for centuries, to find any real evidence is because it didn't really happen as told. Not even close.
Tom

From Habiru to Hebrews: The Roots of the Jewish Tradition

From Habiru to Hebrews: The Roots of the Jewish Tradition
 

Redemptionsong

Well-Known Member
Here's the thing. Believing that the epic story of Exodus is mostly legend doesn't mean believing that it all fiction. I'm confident that there's a kernel of truth at the heart of it, but that truth doesn't include the Parting of the Red Sea.

To me, the most plausible explanation is this. A small tribal group of Cananites moved to the outer edge of Egypt for a few generations. A charismatic leader convinced them to follow him back to their ancestral home. When they got there the land was largely occupied by people who didn't want them there. After a couple of generations of violence and mayhem the intruders were absorbed into the local population. But the story of Moses was quite inspiring and the legends started to grow almost immediately. They continued to grow for a few centuries, until we got the Epic of Exodus. More like a docudrama, fiction based on a real story, than history. But still very gripping and inspiring.

But the reason people like Wyatt have tried and failed, for centuries, to find any real evidence is because it didn't really happen as told. Not even close.
Tom

So, what you're telling me is that it's not the history that you find hard to believe but the miraculous events associated with the history. In other words, it's God's involvement you don't like.

The trouble is, the Bible does not just contain accurate history and geography. IMO, it contains a lot more than that. It contains truth at every level, and each is connected to the other. Once you start to unravel one element of truth, you unravel other truths by association.

Take, for example, the death and resurrection of Jesus. For many people the idea that Jesus was crucified by the Romans is understandable. This is what the Romans did to many of their opponents. That's history, you could say. The resurrection, on the other hand, is something quite different. It involves a miracle of God. People don't ordinarily come back to life and show themselves alive. Yet, without the resurrection being a literal, real, event, there would be no Christian faith today. The birth of the Christian Church is down to the grace of God, made possible through Jesus' resurrection and ascension to heaven. It was from heaven that the Holy Spirit was sent at Pentecost. It was a promise fulfilled.

Now, we have a problem. Do you deny the existence of the Christian Church? It only exists because of the person of Jesus Christ. Do we also deny that Jesus Christ existed? Do we then deny all the prophecies, and types, of his coming found in the Tanakh?

People have tried writing histories of the Bible, with God taken out. It doesn't work!

And I disagree with you about the lack of evidence that has been found to confirm the Bible. There are mountains of artifacts, and other forms of evidence, that fit with the Bible and its account of history.
 
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Ebionite

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RonWyatts_wheel3.JPG
 

Wandering Monk

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A picture. Great. This is supposed to be a chariot wheel and axle from Pharaoh's army.

What institute has custody of this? Where can we go to analyze it? Maybe we could get a date from the (still presereved?) wood of the axle and wheel rims. We could also do a chemical analysis of any metals to see what types they are (copper, bronze, iron.)
 
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