She holds an odd mix of libertarian & liberal views.
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As Arranged, Trump Has Been Acquitted
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Actually, the data seems to suggest that, in the US at least, those not following those bronze age rules of morality are primarily in the Bible Belt. Hard to figure, really.
I wish you would pause for just a second to reflect on something rather important:
First, it is not @It Aint Necessarily So who is aborting babies, nor even supporting abortion -- most Humanists do not, and would much prefer sensible, unafraid sex education for young people approaching sexual maturity so that these things don't happen -- or at least happen less often.
And second, those piles of "bloody aborted babies" that you describe were mostly the product of women who self-describe as Christian -- as most Americans do.
Therefore, I think it unconscionable of you to hold @It Aint Necessarily So , or any other Humanist, accountable for the evils that you see -- because we are not. Just for example, Humanists aren't terrified by birth control -- and are thus somewhat LESS LIKELY to be responsible for unplanned pregnancies. And the data supports this. Linking Religion and Teen Pregnancy: There's a Map for That - TheHumanist.com
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
At least my dreams don't feature all those oiled up semi naked Greeks.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Good-Ole-Rebel
Well-Known Member
But Egypt, Mongolia, and Africa, is not Christian. There are Christians there, just like with China, but they will never be a Christian nation. So, there you go. You could go there. Enjoy living under a non-christian authority.
Good-Ole-Rebel
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
No, but culture exchanges have influences, even if minimal. Or, think of how to this day we are still influenced in various areas by the Ancient Egyptians.Ancient Greece basically laid the foundations of our society, with Rome developing a sort of frame for us.
sooda
Veteran Member
Can't have Ethics lawyers in the WH.
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Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
So again, which specific laws in the US are only found in Christianity and aren't specific features in human societies? For instance, there is "Though shall not steal or murder," but that is a necessary one for maintaining peace amongst citizens.
In fact, the US has laws that are flagrantly non-christian, like separation of Church and State.
Good-Ole-Rebel
Well-Known Member
As did Christianity all of western civilization. But, as I said, and as you said, you look forward to the day when Christianity and Christians are gone and how much better life will be for you. Yet it is in those countries where Christianity has made an impact that life is better.
If you are around to witness it, Rome again will have an immediate influence on your way of life, but without Christ or Christianity. It will be the Rome you are working for now in your efforts against God and Christ.
Good-Ole-Rebel
Good-Ole-Rebel
Well-Known Member
I have already showed you that our law is based upon English Law. And English Law is based upon the Bible. If you watched the impeachment hearings you saw the chief justice with his right hand in the air and left hand on the Bible swearing an oath to God. The God of the Bible.
Nothing wrong with the first amendment. There is wrong in the way the 'separation of church and state' is used today by the anti-christian pack.
Good-Ole-Rebel
Babies aren't aborted. Fetuses and embryos are. Try again.
If you had a valid argument, you wouldn't need to resort to deceit, would you?
What I find offensive are religious zealots trying to impose their fairy tales on reasonable people who prefer to live outside of primitive religions. We don't care what you think your god wants.
What I find offensive is people trying to turn women into incubators for the church using the power of the state to enforce their religion on those who prefer to live without it. Your religion is for you and those who need that crutch to get through life. Many have outgrown both Santa and Jesus.
No you don't. More fairy tales. I have no reason to believe any of that. Neither do you, but that's where we part ways. You don't need a reason to believe. You just do it anyway. Even my dogs need a reason before believing anything.
Here you are trying to promote yourself as an authority on the Bible, but merely demonstrating that you have no such authority. She reported that the Bible condones slavery, you had a conniption as you always do when another flaw in your biblical morality is described, and then went on to confirm that indeed your Bible condones slavery. Talk about a moral cesspool.
Why would I or anybody else turn to a book that condones slavery, rape, and genocide for moral guidance?
No, it is you who is clueless even about your own scriptures. Look at your post above, trying to say that your bible doesn't condone slavery by saying it does. You've disqualified yourself as even being competent regarding your Bible, much less an authority.
That's not a rebuttal. That's waving your hand at an argument. The argument supporting the claim that they are sister ideologies stands unrebutted.
Why would I read the Mayflower compact to see the founding principles of America? They're in the Constitution, which, as I reported in ignored detail, has nothing in common with biblical scripture.
If none of you will address the specifics of the argument, it must be a good one. Show me the biblical scriptures that are the source of the US Constitution. You can't and haven't because they don't exist.
The Spanish Inquisition was impacted by Christianity, and it wasn't too pleasant for anybody but sadists.
I always have, two of them. I wouldn't live under a Christian theocracy.
Good luck with that. There is no argument here, just a claim that the US Constitution is a byproduct of the Christian Bible.
This is the same discussion we've all had with Christians claiming that science and secular humanism are also gifts of Christianity, also with zero evidentiary support. What part of the scientific method comes from scripture? The skepticism? The empiricism? What part of secular humanism comes from this Bible? Maybe it's, "We are committed to the application of reason and science to the understanding of the universe and to the solving of human problems." That sounds pretty Christian.
Or maybe it's "We deplore efforts to denigrate human intelligence, to seek to explain the world in supernatural terms, and to look outside nature for salvation" or "We believe that scientific discovery and technology can contribute to the betterment of human life." Right out of Revelation.
Or maybe it's, "We believe in an open and pluralistic society and that democracy is the best guarantee of protecting human rights from authoritarian elites and repressive majorities" or "We are committed to the principle of the separation of church and state" Aren't those in Psalms?
I don't see any gifts from Christianity - just the attempt to steal credit for the great ideas of humanism and the Enlightenment, which the church has fought tooth and nail. They claim credit for the moral foundation of the West, but what is their contribution to your moral code or mine? I am unaware, for example, of even a single moral precept original to Jesus that is part of my life or worth incorporating into my life. I don't love enemies, I won't offer an aggressor my other cheek, and I consider meekness a curse, not a blessing.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
Don't forget to include San Francisco, California, and all other liberal cities and states and individuals who approve of Bronze Age Sodom and Gomorrah "morality".
Spartan
Well-Known Member
Tsk tsk...
If it weren't for Jesus / Creator, you wouldn't even be breathing.
And what gifts does he give that you can't get anywhere else? Salvation. Righteousness. Eternal life. Blessings in heaven. Of course, you won't believe any of that until it's Judgment Day. Then you will have a whole new appreciation for what you've so far kicked to the curb.
It looks to me like San Francisco is carrying a cross.
Their efforts to take care of "the Least"(the poor, the mentally ill, the immigrants), in a country dominated by "Christian" Capitalists has come at a high cost.
But it's always been like that. Even Jesus said it would be. He never promised anybody a rose garden.
Tom
I have no reason to believe that, and neither do you, but that's where we part ways. You don't need a reason to believe things. You are willing to believe whatever you hope is true.
Once again, I have no reason to believe any of that, and once again, neither do you.
And I consider my moral code superior to the Christian one. You call yourself righteous, but I don't. You support an ideology that has made you a bigot. There is nothing righteous in maligning every member of a demographic that is largely hard-working, law-abiding, decent people trying to support their families and communities. This applies to both gays and atheist, two groups your church targets for scapegoating.
Your religion teaches you to hate them and call it love, to persecute them and call it helping. I don't do that. Why? Because being a bigot is not righteous. It's the opposite.
You were just seen defending biblical slavery. I don't do that, either. But you do. Slavery is immoral, but your god never god the memo.
How about you naming a single moral principle original to the words attributed to Jesus that the rest of the world agrees is a keeper. This is supposedly a god with perfect understanding, yet the ethics of secular humanism runs circles around that ancient ideology. You'd be doing more with slaves than merely defending slavery if an alternative method to consulting scripture didn't exist to tell your church that slavery is not righteous.
This was written by a man named Richard Banford
"Do you know his name? Sure you do. He talks to you every day. You could not live a normal life without him. You believe in him, whether you like it or not. Unless you abandon him completely, you cannot deny he exists.
"My god is a more personal god than yours can ever be, for if you have enough sense to understand these words, my god lives within you. He lives within us all, to some degree. A heartbreaking few cannot understand him, but this is not their fault. The real tragedy is the multitudes who ignore much of his counsel, particularly when he questions your god too deeply.
"My god has been around longer than your god. He was here before the many other gods that preceded your god. Though you will likely scoff at the notion, my god was the father of your god, as he was to all gods. But that was long ago when he was young and not yet sure of himself. Though many of your god's followers try to hold him down, my god grows stronger and more independent each day.
"When your god expelled us from paradise for eating an apple, my god taught us to grow our own fruit.
"When your god forbade knowledge, demanding we live in ignorance, my god created books.
"When your god smote cities like a tantrum-prone child, my god helped to rebuild them.
"When your god insisted the world was flat, my god showed his followers it was round, to their peril at the hands of your god's followers.
"While your god watched in silence as children sickened and died, my god created medicines to make them well.
"When your god winked and nodded at slavery, my god argued passionately against it.
"While your god represses half the human race, my god considers woman to be the equal of man.
"When your god only helps those who help themselves, my god rolls up his sleeves and actually does help until your god decides to join in, and then steals all the credit.
"When your god inspired great buildings and great art, my god made them possible.
"While your god says we are all born sinners, tainted before we even draw breath, my god says we are all born innocent; a clean slate with limitless potential.
"While your god offers dubious allusions of an afterlife, my god provides for us here in this life.
"While your god makes amazing promises, but offers not a shred of proof, my god performs amazing deeds, and the proof is there to be seen by all.
"While your god demands blind faith and obsequious obedience, my god encourages questions, even about himself.
"When your god says "Thou shalt not," my god says "You can do anything."
"My god is reason. He does more in a day than your god will ever do."
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Couldn't address anything I said, huh? Looks like you know it's true, but support the lying, perverted, adulterer anyway. Funny thing, that. Speaks volumes.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Trump hasn't repented though.
He said so himself. Didn't you watch the video?
Woberts
The Perfumed Seneschal
Do you really think you'll change anything? Indoctrination runs deep in their minds.