Sin

I want to approach this from a different angle.

My previous thread wasn’t satisfactory.


Here goes:

1. Sin entered the world because of Adam.
2. We all inherit this sin.
3. We are all sinners.
4. We need to be redeemed from our sin.
5. Jesus came to do that.

Question 1: Is this the Christian doctrine?

Question 2: Why do we need to be redeemed?

Benefits?

Question 3: How is it accomplished?

Give me the mechanics of it in detail please.

And what do we have to do to accomplish it?

Question 4: Does the entire thing collapse if there was no Adam?

Or can it still be reconciled without an Adam?


Please answer in your own words without quoting the Bible. Some people do not benefit from hearing Bible verses. Please answer so a child (like me) can understand.

Gerry said:

Please answer in your own words without quoting the Bible.

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Gerry said:

• Sin entered the world because of Adam.

• We all inherit this sin.

• We are all sinners.

• We need to be redeemed from our sin.

• Jesus came to do that.

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1. Genes of Man entered the offspring of Man thru the first man and woman.
2. We all inherit our Genes from first man and woman.
3. We are not perfect life.
4. Life for a Life.
5. Life came as an instrument to redeem and be a perfect example for life.

I do not affirm nor deny this is Christian doctrine without using the bible.

Gerry said:

I want to approach this from a different angle.

My previous thread wasn’t satisfactory.


Here goes:

1. Sin entered the world because of Adam.
2. We all inherit this sin.
3. We are all sinners.
4. We need to be redeemed from our sin.
5. Jesus came to do that.

Question 1: Is this the Christian doctrine?

Question 2: Why do we need to be redeemed?

Benefits?

Question 3: How is it accomplished?

Give me the mechanics of it in detail please.

And what do we have to do to accomplish it?

Question 4: Does the entire thing collapse if there was no Adam?

Or can it still be reconciled without an Adam?


Please answer in your own words without quoting the Bible. Some people do not benefit from hearing Bible verses. Please answer so a child (like me) can understand.

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Yes, your 5 points are part of Christian doctrine. They don't tell it all, but they are part of Christian doctrine.

One needs to be redeemed to be back into a right relationship with God and to live forever with God. To not be redeemed means you live forever separate from God.

Redemption is accomplished through the work of Jesus Christ on the Cross, resurrection, and ascension. God's work of imputation is involved in this. Imputation is transference. Three major imputations. 1.) imputation of Adams sin to his race. 2.) imputation of the sin of Adams race to Christ. 3.) imputation of Christ's righteousness to the believer.

Well, if there is no Adam, then there is no original sin. I'm not sure what you are asking here. That which God accomplishes in salvation is based upon the First Adam. It involves his sin, and it involves his sin being imputed to his race.

If there is no Adam, and everyone is just a sinner on their own, then which one did Jesus die for? Only through imputaton can One die for many. God counts all guilty in one Adam so He can count all righteous in One Jesus Christ.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Good-Ole-Rebel said:

Yes, your 5 points are part of Christian doctrine. They don't tell it all, but they are part of Christian doctrine.

One needs to be redeemed to be back into a right relationship with God and to live forever with God. To not be redeemed means you live forever separate from God.

Redemption is accomplished through the work of Jesus Christ on the Cross, resurrection, and ascension. God's work of imputation is involved in this. Imputation is transference. Three major imputations. 1.) imputation of Adams sin to his race. 2.) imputation of the sin of Adams race to Christ. 3.) imputation of Christ's righteousness to the believer.

Well, if there is no Adam, then there is no original sin. I'm not sure what you are asking here. That which God accomplishes in salvation is based upon the First Adam. It involves his sin, and it involves his sin being imputed to his race.

If there is no Adam, and everyone is just a sinner on their own, then which one did Jesus die for? Only through imputaton can One die for many. God counts all guilty in one Adam so He can count all righteous in One Jesus Christ.

Good-Ole-Rebel

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I thought most people understand there was never an original person named Adam. So, I was wondering how the doctrine holds up with that understanding?
It seems like it could still work, but I don’t know how the religion would portray it.

Gerry said:

I thought most people understand there was never an original person named Adam. So, I was wondering how the doctrine holds up with that understanding?
It seems like it could still work, but I don’t know how the religion would portray it.

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Why does it seem like it could still work?

Good-Ole-Rebel

Good-Ole-Rebel said:

Why does it seem like it could still work?

Good-Ole-Rebel

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That is the question.
I was hoping you could answer my questions.
That’s why I made this thread.

Gerry said:

That is the question.
I was hoping you could answer my questions.
That’s why I made this thread.

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I did answer. Without Adam it won't work. As I said, if all are just guilty in and of themselves for their sins, then Christ can only die for one. Which one will it be? What are the chances it would be your or me?.

But you say it could still work. So I ask, why does it seem it could still work?

Good-Ole-Rebel

Good-Ole-Rebel said:

I did answer. Without Adam it won't work. As I said, if all are just guilty in and of themselves for their sins, then Christ can only die for one. Which one will it be? What are the chances it would be your or me?.

But you say it could still work. So I ask, why does it seem it could still work?

Good-Ole-Rebel

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Ah, very good.
Thank you.
I either misread your earlier post, or did not understand.
You made it quite clear here.
I appreciate it.

Gerry said:

1. Sin entered the world because of Adam.
2. We all inherit this sin.
3. We are all sinners.
4. We need to be redeemed from our sin.
5. Jesus came to do that.

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Question 1: Is this the Christian doctrine?

Basically yes.

Question 2: Why do we need to be redeemed?

Because we were sold into slavery to sin and death with no way to get ourselves out of it.

Benefits?

Being redeemed sets us free of that slavery. It puts us in line for everlasting life when Jesus returns to set up his kingdom rule over the earth, and it provided the basis for forgiveness of our sins in the meantime.

Question 3: How is it accomplished?

Adam lost his perfection and became defective due to sin. This genetic defect was passed down to all his offspring. Jesus offered to balance the scales of God's perfect justice by giving a "life for a life". (Deuteronomy 19:21)
In this case it required a perfect life to atone for the perfect life Adam lost for his children. Since no human on earth was perfect, it required Jesus to come from heaven and be born a human on earth and be born as a perfect, sinless human. His sacrifice was called a "ransom", (Ephesians 1:7) which we know is a demand made for something that is stolen, in order for it to be given back.

Give me the mechanics of it in detail please.

Jesus' perfect life was given as an exchange for the lives of Adam's children.

Gal 3:13
"Christ purchased us, releasing us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us...”

And what do we have to do to accomplish it?

By exercising faith in Jesus' sacrifice we tell God that we wish to come back to him and to be restored to the relationship that God had with humans before satan led them into disobedience. It is a reconciliation with God.

Paul put it this way.....2 Corinthians 5:18-19...
"But all things are from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of the reconciliation, 19 namely, that God was by means of Christ reconciling a world to himself, not counting their offenses against them, and he entrusted to us the message of the reconciliation."

Question 4: Does the entire thing collapse if there was no Adam?

Yes. The Edenic scenario sets the stage for everything that followed. Without Adam's sin, nothing makes any sense.

Or can it still be reconciled without an Adam?
No Adam means no sin....no sin means no need of a redeemer....no redeemer means no Jesus....no Jesus means no Christianity...

Please answer in your own words without quoting the Bible. Some people do not benefit from hearing Bible verses. Please answer so a child (like me) can understand.

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Sorry, but the verses I used were vital to the discussion I believe.....I hope a child might understand with a little help....

Gerry said:

Ah, very good.
Thank you.
I either misread your earlier post, or did not understand.
You made it quite clear here.
I appreciate it.

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You're quite welcome.

Good-Ole-Rebel