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3rdAngel

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Are all sins equal in the eyes of god?
According to the scriptures, the penalty of sin is death to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; ROMANS 2:12. For those who accept God's gift however in times of ignorance God does not hold us accountable for sin until we have been given a knowledge of the truth and reject it *ACTS 17:30-31; HEBREWS 10:26-39. So sin is sin and as the scriptures teach; For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all *JAMES 2:10. That said the penalty of sin is the same but not all sins are equal in God's eyes in the sense that there is more accountability for sin depending on how many people it effects and also if a sin is done in ignornance or not. Do you know know what sin is?
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
The 'thought and desire for sin' -- something to think on, yes with the verses you point to about the heart. Plenty to think on, since in the OT we learn there is a promise for a new heart, to replace a heart of stone (lacking love, compassion?) with a 'heart of flesh'.
Yes this is why JESUS pointed out to Nicodemus that unless we are born again (to have a new heart; JEREMIAH 31:31-34; HEBREWS 8:10-12) we cannot see or enter into the kingdom of heaven *JOHN 3:3-7; 1 JOHN 3:6-10. Sin is the difference between the people of God and the children of the devil
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
Can I be FAITH?
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *ROMANS 10:17. We demonstrate our faith by believing and following God's Word. We can only have faith as we believe and follow what God says. Faith according to the scriptures simply means to believe and follow what God says.
 

MonkeyFire

Well-Known Member
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *ROMANS 10:17. We demonstrate our faith by believing and following God's Word. We can only have faith as we believe and follow what God says. Faith according to the scriptures simply means to believe and follow what God says.

Faith in life is complete hope, it goes well with all the morality I trust in people.
 

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
According to the scriptures, the penalty of sin is death to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; ROMANS 2:12. For those who accept God's gift however in times of ignorance God does not hold us accountable for sin until we have been given a knowledge of the truth and reject it *ACTS 17:30-31; HEBREWS 10:26-39. So sin is sin and as the scriptures teach; For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all *JAMES 2:10. That said the penalty of sin is the same but not all sins are equal in God's eyes in the sense that there is more accountability for sin depending on how many people it effects and also if a sin is done in ignornance or not. Do you know know what sin is?
Seems to me you barely, and I mean barely, scratched the surface...
Why would certain sins require death (Exo 22:18; Exo 19:12; Num 15:36; Exo 21:17) while others merely get told that the sinner and up to ten generations after merely cannot enter into the congregation (Deu 23:2; Exo 12:19)?

What of those who were to be burnt (Gen 38:24; Lev 20:14; Lev 21:9; Jer 29:22; Eze 23:25; Dan 3:19-23)

Or those who were "put under the saw", or made to walk through fire( 2Sa 12:31)

Or those who were striped ( Deu 25:3 )

Scourged with thorns (Jdg_8:16.)

mutilated (Jdg 1:6; 2Ma 7:4; 2Sa 4:12)

imprisoned, exiled or had things confiscated (Ezr 7:26; Jer 37:15; Jer 38:6; Act 4:3; Act 5:18; Act 12:4; 1Ki 2:26; 1Ki 2:36-38)

Due compensation was yet another punishment for sin ( Exo 21:18-36; Lev 24:18-21; Deu 19:21)

Stoning was rather popular (Lev 20:2; Lev 20:27; Lev 24:14; Num 14:10; Num 15:33-36; Deu 13:10; Deu 17:5; Deu 22:21; Deu 22:24; Jos 7:25; 1Ki 21:10; Eze 16:40)

Crucificion (Mat 27:35; Mat 27:38; Mar 15:24; Mar 15:27; Luk 23:33)

Beheadings (Mat 14:10; Mar 6:16; Mar 6:27; Mar 6:28)

Scourging (Lev 19:20; Deu 22:18; Deu 25:2; Deu 25:3; Pro 17:10; Pro 19:29; Pro 20:30; Mat 27:26; Mar 15:15; Luk 23:16; Joh 19:1; Act 22:24; Act 22:29)

Even hanging is mentioned (Num 25:4; 2Sa 21:6; 2Sa 21:9; Gen 40:22; Deu 21:22; Deu 21:23; Jos 8:29).
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
Hello Mestemia, thanks for your post. You were indeed posted a detailed new covenant response in regards to your original question that has more than covered answered your original question which was ....
Mestemia said: Are all sins equal in the eyes of god?
Responded with the New covenant scriptures here to which the OLD Covenant scriptures pointed to.
3rdAngel said: According to the scriptures, the penalty of sin is death to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; ROMANS 2:12. For those who accept God's gift however in times of ignorance God does not hold us accountable for sin until we have been given a knowledge of the truth and reject it *ACTS 17:30-31; HEBREWS 10:26-39. So sin is sin and as the scriptures teach; For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all *JAMES 2:10. That said the penalty of sin is the same but not all sins are equal in God's eyes in the sense that there is more accountability for sin depending on how many people it effects and also if a sin is done in ignornance or not. Do you know know what sin is?
Your response...
Seems to me you barely, and I mean barely, scratched the surface... Why would certain sins require death (Exo 22:18; Exo 19:12; Num 15:36; Exo 21:17) while others merely get told that the sinner and up to ten generations after merely cannot enter into the congregation (Deu 23:2; Exo 12:19)?

What of those who were to be burnt (Gen 38:24; Lev 20:14; Lev 21:9; Jer 29:22; Eze 23:25; Dan 3:19-23)

Or those who were "put under the saw", or made to walk through fire( 2Sa 12:31)

Or those who were striped ( Deu 25:3 )

Scourged with thorns (Jdg_8:16.)

mutilated (Jdg 1:6; 2Ma 7:4; 2Sa 4:12)

imprisoned, exiled or had things confiscated (Ezr 7:26; Jer 37:15; Jer 38:6; Act 4:3; Act 5:18; Act 12:4; 1Ki 2:26; 1Ki 2:36-38)

Due compensation was yet another punishment for sin ( Exo 21:18-36; Lev 24:18-21; Deu 19:21)

Stoning was rather popular (Lev 20:2; Lev 20:27; Lev 24:14; Num 14:10; Num 15:33-36; Deu 13:10; Deu 17:5; Deu 22:21; Deu 22:24; Jos 7:25; 1Ki 21:10; Eze 16:40)

Crucificion (Mat 27:35; Mat 27:38; Mar 15:24; Mar 15:27; Luk 23:33)

Beheadings (Mat 14:10; Mar 6:16; Mar 6:27; Mar 6:28)

Scourging (Lev 19:20; Deu 22:18; Deu 25:2; Deu 25:3; Pro 17:10; Pro 19:29; Pro 20:30; Mat 27:26; Mar 15:15; Luk 23:16; Joh 19:1; Act 22:24; Act 22:29)

Even hanging is mentioned (Num 25:4; 2Sa 21:6; 2Sa 21:9; Gen 40:22; Deu 21:22; Deu 21:23; Jos 8:29).
Where you are confused in your understanding of the scriptures is that your referring to old covenant scripture relating to the death penalty for the nation of ISRAEL under old covenant. Trouble is my friend we are not in the Old Covenant now we are in the NEW covenant and we are not a part of the nation of ISRAEL.

I believe your response here shows a lack of understanding in regards to the New Covenant that the Old pointed to and the new testament scriptures that fulfill the old. Let's see why?

Much of the Old Covenant pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the new covenant and were shadows of thing to come *HEBREWS 8:10-12; HEBREWS 13:20; HEBREWS 9:1-12; HEBREWS 8:13

Nearly all God's 10 commandments under the OLD COVENANT had the death penalty attached to them for openly practicing sin under the CIVIL laws of ISRAEL if they were broken *DEUTERONOMY 13:6-18; 1 SAMUEL 26:19; DEUTERONOMY 13:1-10; 17:2-5; 27:15; DEUTERONOMY 7:25-26; LEVITICUS 24:10-17; EXODUS 31:14-15; 35:2; LEVITICUS 20:9; DEUTERONOMY 21:18-21; EXODUS 21:17; EXODUS 21:12-14; LEVITICUS 20; JOHN 8:5; EXODUS 21:16; DEUTERONOMY 19:15-21.

That was to teach God's people the wages of SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) is death as it does in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 6:23 although JESUS says vengence is mine at his 2nd coming *ROMANS 12:17-19; REVELATION 22:12. So the penalty of sin is still just as much active as it was in the OLD Covenant accept sins penalty will not bee carried out until the second coming of Chrsit *HEBREWS 10:26-39; REVELATION 22:12; REVELATION 20:11-15; 2 PETER 2:4-22; etc..

According to God's WORD, ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

Ok so many of the old testament scriptures you have provided in your post are simply fulfilled under the new covenant and the new testament scriptures for which you have simply disregarded. The above scriptures show why your claims are in error. The first post addressed to you I think answered your question very well if you consider the scriptures here you have not considered.

I asked you a question earlier, do you know what sin is? :)
 
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3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
Where did God come from?
What was there before God?

God lives outside of time. He has always been from everlasting to everlasting....

PSALMS 90:2-3 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever you had formed the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God

1 TIMOTHY 1:17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen

REVELATION 10:6 And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, "There will be no more delay!"

GENESIS 21:33 Abraham planted a tamarisk tree in Beer-sheba, and called there on the name of the LORD, the Everlasting God

Hope this is helpful :)
 

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
Hello Mestemia, thanks for your post. You were indeed posted a detailed new covenant response in regards to your original question that has more than covered answered your original question which was ....

Responded with the New covenant scriptures here to which the OLD Covenant scriptures pointed to.

Your response...

Where you are confused in your understanding of the scriptures is that your referring to old covenant scripture relating to the death penalty for the nation of ISRAEL under old covenant. Trouble is my friend we are not in the Old Covenant now we are in the NEW covenant and we are not a part of the nation of ISRAEL.

Your response below shows a lack of understanding in regards to the New Covenant that the Old pointed to and the new testament scriptures that fulfill the old. Let's see why?

Where you are confused is that your response is to point people back to the Old Covenant scriptures in your post here when we are now living in the NEW Covenant. Much of the Old Covenant pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the new covenant and were shadows of thing to come *HEBREWS 8:10-12; HEBREWS 13:20; HEBREWS 9:1-12; HEBREWS 8:13

Nearly all God's 10 commandments under the OLD COVENANT had the death penalty attached to them for openly practicing sin under the CIVIL laws of ISRAEL if they were broken *DEUTERONOMY 13:6-18; 1 SAMUEL 26:19; DEUTERONOMY 13:1-10; 17:2-5; 27:15; DEUTERONOMY 7:25-26; LEVITICUS 24:10-17; EXODUS 31:14-15; 35:2; LEVITICUS 20:9; DEUTERONOMY 21:18-21; EXODUS 21:17; EXODUS 21:12-14; LEVITICUS 20; JOHN 8:5; EXODUS 21:16; DEUTERONOMY 19:15-21.

That was to teach God's people the wages of SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) is death as it does in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 6:23 although JESUS says vengence is mine at his 2nd coming *ROMANS 12:17-19; REVELATION 22:12.

According to God's WORD, ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

Ok so many of the old testament scriptures you have provided in your post are simply fulfilled under the new covenant and the new testament scriptures for which you have simply disregarded. The above scriptures show why your claims are in error. The first post addressed to you I think answered your question very well if you consider the scriptures here you have not considered.

I asked you a question earlier, do you know what sin is? :)
I am not confused.
I am investigating your understanding of the Bible.
More specifically, your understanding of God via the Bible.
This is not about how the punishment of sin concerns us humans.
But an attempt to get an insight of your understanding of God through your understanding of the Bible.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
I am not confused.
I am investigating your understanding of the Bible.
More specifically, your understanding of God via the Bible.
This is not about how the punishment of sin concerns us humans.
But an attempt to get an insight of your understanding of God through your understanding of the Bible.

Ok no problem. Do you know what sin is? :)
 
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Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Good question though and an interesting one.

My understanding is that the english word for hell in the OT is from the Hebrew word used as שׁאול שׁאל; she'ôl she'ôl (H7585) which means the world of the dead, including its accessories and inmates: - grave, hell, pit. The Greek words used is ᾅδης hadēs G1492; properly unseen, that is, " Hades" or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell. When you look at the word meanings for both the Hebrew and Greek the word use and application refers to the place of the dead being the grave. I do not believe in the Catholic Church's teaching on Hell, burning in Hell and the state of the dead etc. It is not biblical and a false doctrine IMO.

Does that mean that you reject the immortality of the soul? Are souls conscious in sheol (hades)

What is a soul then? And how does it differ from the spirit in your view?
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
Does that mean that you reject the immortality of the soul? Are souls conscious in sheol (hades) What is a soul then? And how does it differ from the spirit in your view?

Hello Deeje, great question. If you believe the scriptures, death is like a sleep and there is no such thing as the Catholic concept of immortality of the soul. It is not biblical if you follow the scriptures alone IMO and is one that links into the false teaching of Hell we discussed earlier. The soul נפשׁ; nephesh or ψυχή; psuchē (Greek) simply means a living creature and can be applied to people or animals. Spirit רוּח ; rûach or πνεῦμα; pneuma (in Greek) means breath of life; mind; thoughts and feelings.
 
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3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
Your interpretation of the bible?

Welcome Ayjay. Not really the bible interprets itself as we are guided through his Spirit. Those who do not believe God's Word, do not know God, His Word or his Spirit therefore cannot understand God or his Word according to the scriptures :)
 

Ayjaydee

Active Member
Welcome Ayjay. Not really the bible interprets itself as we are guided through his Spirit. Those who do not believe God's Word, do not know God, His Word or his Spirit therefore cannot understand God or his Word according to the scriptures :)
I can find plenty of folks just as convinced of guidance as you are who will disagree with you on many of the meanings of various passages.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
I can find plenty of folks just as convinced of guidance as you are who will disagree with you on many of the meanings of various passages.
Indeed, it is just as the bible has said it would be. So how are you going to know who is teaching the truth and who is not? Who is from God and who is not according to the scriptuers? :)
 
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