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Two Gods?!

Iymus

Iymus

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questfortruth said:
There are beings that God did not create: “you are not of God. Your father is the devil” (Bible), and if
so, that is, two Gods.


Doubting whether God exists is called agnosticism. It arose because of such a logical error: two fundamental Gods are taken for one God.
Do not get confused: there are only two Gods in the whole world: Existing and Non-Existing (Holy Spirit and evil spirit, cf. John 13:27).

Since there is the Existing God and the Non-Existing god, the Existing God actually exists. Finally, has science proven the Existing God?​
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One body if cells not in agreement with that body then cast off and considered no longer of that body. Classified then as cancer because no longer doing the will of the body and is judged.

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Paul Moses

Paul Moses

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questfortruth said:
There are beings that God did not create: “you are not of God. Your father is the devil” (Bible), and if
so, that is, two Gods.


Doubting whether God exists is called agnosticism. It arose because of such a logical error: two fundamental Gods are taken for one God.
Do not get confused: there are only two Gods in the whole world: Existing and Non-Existing (Holy Spirit and evil spirit, cf. John 13:27).

Since there is the Existing God and the Non-Existing god, the Existing God actually exists. Finally, has science proven the Existing God?​
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TagliatelliMonster said:
There are only 2 unicorns. The Existing and the Non-Existing unicorns.

But only the existing unicorns eat rainbows.
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Paul Moses

Paul Moses

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Both are still wrong. Satan is the power that rules the earth. None follow God or the bible.
Like Santa Clause or The Easter Bunny.
 
questfortruth

questfortruth

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TagliatelliMonster said:
Is it?

1 Samuel 15:3 - Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ***.

Exodus 12:29 - And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that [was] in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.

Isaiah 13:16 - Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

Hosea 13:16 - Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

2 Kings 15:16 - Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that [were] therein, and the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not [to him], therefore he smote [it; and] all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.

Numbers 31:17 - Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

Psalms 135:8 - Who smote the firstborn of Egypt, both of man and beast.

Acts 7:19 - The same dealt subtilly with our kindred, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children, to the end they might not live.

Psalms 136:10 - To him that smote Egypt in their firstborn: for his mercy [endureth] for ever:

Exodus 1:16 - And he said, When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women, and see [them] upon the stools; if it [be] a son, then ye shall kill him: but if it [be] a daughter, then she shall live.

Matthew 2:16-18 - Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men. (Read More...)

Amos 1:13 - Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of the children of Ammon, and for four, I will not turn away [the punishment] thereof; because they have ripped up the women with child of Gilead, that they might enlarge their border:

Hosea 9:11-16 - [As for] Ephraim, their glory shall fly away like a bird, from the birth, and from the womb, and from the conception.




Seems as if your god doesn't really shy away from infantacide and such... he does it himself and orders others to do it as well.
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By loving sinners God loves not sin, but His saints, if a sinner repents, there will be more friends for His saints.
 
blü 2

blü 2

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Premium Member
questfortruth said:
The Bible testimony, that there is alternative to the Existent God, is backed up by empirical evidence: wars, terror, and (physical and mental) suffering.
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If you read the Tanakh, you'll find that Yahweh, god of the bible, evolves throughout the story, from being one of many gods ("You shall have no other gods before me" &c) to the monogod of Isaiah, and after the bible for Christians, in the 4th century CE to the Trinity. So God is a malleable idea.
questfortruth said:
[Albert Einstein video]
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That video is entirely fictitious, of course.

And no, evil is not merely the absence of God. The Tanakh clearly shows God actively involved in plagues, murder of the firstborn, famines, invasive war, massacres of populations (not just Jericho), mass rape, human sacrifice, slavery, subjugation of women, religious intolerance, and more. The NT shows that the God of Christians thinks human sacrifice is a great notion.

On top of that, I've already mentioned Epicurus ─ the Greek philosopher who's said to have said, in effect,

Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.

Is god both able and willing?
Then where does evil come from?

Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him god?​

And it remains true that God, for all the claims of omnipotence and benevolence, neither says nor does. The idea of an omnipotent onlooker who refuses to help the decent folk or discourage the others, who lets plague, famine, flood, hurricanes, earthquakes, and so on happen while [he] sits on [his] omnipotent hands, has no claim to moral authority about anything. (And as for sacrificing your son to yourself, that's just psycho, isn't it?)​
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
questfortruth said:
There are beings that God did not create: “you are not of God. Your father is the devil” (Bible), and if
so, that is, two Gods.
Doubting whether God exists is called agnosticism. It arose because of such a logical error: two fundamental Gods are taken for one God.
Do not get confused: there are only two Gods in the whole world: Existing and Non-Existing (Holy Spirit and evil spirit, cf. John 13:27).
Since there is the Existing God and the Non-Existing god, the Existing God actually exists. Finally, has science proven the Existing God?​
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I find that 'God / god' is a title and Not always meaning which God/ god.
2 Corinthians 4:4 calls Satan as the 'god' of this world of badness, but he is Not the Almighty God of the Bible.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
blü 2 said:
If you read the Tanakh, you'll find that Yahweh, god of the bible, evolves throughout the story, from being one of many gods ("You shall have no other gods before me" &c) to the monogod of Isaiah, and after the bible for Christians, in the 4th century CE to the Trinity. So God is a malleable idea.
.............. The idea of an omnipotent onlooker who refuses to help the decent folk or discourage the others, who lets plague, famine, flood, hurricanes, earthquakes, and so on happen while [he] sits on [his] omnipotent hands, has no claim to moral authority about anything. (And as for sacrificing your son to yourself, that's just psycho, isn't it?)​
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Huh? Jesus never said his God lets (Luke 21:11) happen so that He can sit on his hands.
Rather, God will bring to ruin those ruining the Earth - Revelation 11:18 B.
It is 'man' who has Not kept God's Golden rule and polluted Earth. So why blame God ______
Jesus paid a ransom sacrifice for us (Not to his God ) - Matthew 20:28
Suppose you went to Jordan and got arrested and sent to jail to be executed.
On your behalf the King of Jordan places one of his sons in your place to be executed, and you are set free.
This is what God did for you.
 
questfortruth

questfortruth

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URAVIP2ME said:
I find that 'God / god' is a title and Not always meaning which God/ god.
2 Corinthians 4:4 calls Satan as the 'god' of this world of badness, but he is Not the Almighty God of the Bible.
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We suffer not because there is Good, and Good God in Heaven, but because there are satan and evil people on Earth.


Death, Sickness, Suffering, Injustice, Failure, Loneliness are the names of the evil spirit. Evil people spoil all taste of life. They crush people in the streets with cars. And it is unpleasant for kind people that there are idiots in the world, simply because of heartfelt sympathy, empathy to the innocent victims.

And the fact that children die of cancer is not the fault of God, but the fault of those who detonated nuclear bombs and put chemistry, bio-weaponary, and plastic into food. This satan is indestructible, because he is the first and last enemy (cf. 1 Corinthians 15:26), the evil alpha and omega, the spirit of evil. The execution of satan by some miracle will not help, because evil people will revive him again, because their own nature, because their own spirit is evil. Evil gives rise to evil people and they give rise to evil (cf. Revelation 20:2-3 and Matthew 24:12).

God is Holy Spirit: it is not the rose, which you gave your mother, but the Good Spirit of that action. The Spirit of Love, Justice, Compassion, the Spirit of all that is Holy, Spirit of Creativity, Spirit of Personality and self-awareness (that is why God has Personality). The sick alternative to Holy Spirit is the evil spirit: as any sinful action comes with spirit of evil, spirit of murder and destruction.
 
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questfortruth

questfortruth

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URAVIP2ME said:
It is 'man' who has Not kept God's Golden rule and polluted Earth. So why blame God ______
Jesus paid a ransom sacrifice for us
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Would you like to read something bad about atheism? There is book with video from prominent atheism researcher. But, the thread then will be deleted. So, write me PM. But you can look up the videos of another man:
 
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questfortruth

questfortruth

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Ayjaydee said:
The cause of suffering is desire and delusion
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The more deep root is the Double God fallacy. Look up two rulers according to each City:

On the city of God against the pagans (Latin: Dē cīvitāte Deī contrā pāgānōs), often called The City of God, is a book of Christian philosophy written in Latin by Augustine of Hippo in the early 5th century AD. The book was in response to allegations that Christianity brought about the decline of Rome and is considered one of Augustine's most important works, standing alongside The Confessions, The Enchiridion, On Christian Doctrine, and On the Trinity. As a work of one of the most influential Church Fathers, The City of God is a cornerstone of Western thought, expounding on many profound questions of theology, such as the suffering of the righteous, the existence of evil, the conflict between free will and divine omniscience, and the doctrine of original sin.

The book presents human history as a conflict between what Augustine calls the Earthly City (often colloquially referred to as the City of Man, but never by Augustine) and the City of God, a conflict that is destined to end in victory for the latter. The City of God is marked by people who forego earthly pleasure to dedicate themselves to the eternal truths of God, now revealed fully in the Christian faith. The Earthly City, on the other hand, consists of people who have immersed themselves in the cares and pleasures of the present, passing world.

 
Ayjaydee

Ayjaydee

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I pu
questfortruth said:
The more deep root is the Double God fallacy. Look up two rulers according to each City:

On the city of God against the pagans (Latin: Dē cīvitāte Deī contrā pāgānōs), often called The City of God, is a book of Christian philosophy written in Latin by Augustine of Hippo in the early 5th century AD. The book was in response to allegations that Christianity brought about the decline of Rome and is considered one of Augustine's most important works, standing alongside The Confessions, The Enchiridion, On Christian Doctrine, and On the Trinity. As a work of one of the most influential Church Fathers, The City of God is a cornerstone of Western thought, expounding on many profound questions of theology, such as the suffering of the righteous, the existence of evil, the conflict between free will and divine omniscience, and the doctrine of original sin.

The book presents human history as a conflict between what Augustine calls the Earthly City (often colloquially referred to as the City of Man, but never by Augustine) and the City of God, a conflict that is destined to end in victory for the latter. The City of God is marked by people who forego earthly pleasure to dedicate themselves to the eternal truths of God, now revealed fully in the Christian faith. The Earthly City, on the other hand, consists of people who have immersed themselves in the cares and pleasures of the present, passing world.

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I have no interest in fiction
Greed and delusion are the cause of suffering
 
blü 2

blü 2

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URAVIP2ME said:
Huh? Jesus never said his God lets (Luke 21:11) happen so that He can sit on his hands.
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So why does God let it happen?
URAVIP2ME said:
Rather, God will bring to ruin those ruining the Earth - Revelation 11:18 B.
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Fix it mañana, eh? That certainly fits what we know.
URAVIP2ME said:
It is 'man' who has Not kept God's Golden rule and polluted Earth. So why blame God ______
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I didn't say God polluted the earth. I said God stood by and watched the earth being polluted and did, and is doing, and will do, exactly nothing about it.
URAVIP2ME said:
,Jesus paid a ransom sacrifice for us (Not to his God ) - Matthew 20:28
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Talk me through it. What exactly was the point of Jesus' death, which as the NT makes clear was part of the mission statement from the start? What did a death by crucifixion accomplish that an omnipotent God couldn't do without a death by crucifixion, exactly?
URAVIP2ME said:
Suppose you went to Jordan and got arrested and sent to jail to be executed.
On your behalf the King of Jordan places one of his sons in your place to be executed, and you are set free.
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Why was I arrested and sentenced to death, exactly? What was the charge, and who constituted the court?

And if I was doing something wrong, why didn't God step in and make sure it didn't happen? If [he]'s omnipotent, [he] can do that without stirring a muscle.

So I say again ─ a being who is omnipotent and who just looks on and does nothing when bad things are happening all around has no claim to moral authority.

Pretty much everyone I personally know is doing more to save the world than God is. Even me.
 
McBell

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
questfortruth said:
The root of all evil is the fight between the two driving motives: serving for two Gods, every one is the driving motive. Evil people serve satan, good people serve Existing God.
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So the Bible is wrong then, money isn't the root of all evil?
 
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