A huge problem with the JW religion:

sooda · Jan 23, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
You would have to support that with massive evidence. I don't think you can. And as to the translation by the JW's it is far from perfect. One example is their almost anal need to use the word "Jehovah" even where there is no valid excuse for that name. Second some verses are clearly misinterpreted to go along with their personal beliefs. One example is given here:

Is the New World Translation a valid version of the Bible? | GotQuestions.org

Well, JWs generally reject higher education as dangerous. You see the inherent problem.

sooda · Jan 23, 2020

kjw47 said:
I looked it up online--. I shared fact with you. You look it up.

Certain groups of Christians interpret this verse to mean the 144,000 will be members of their particular church – which, they believe, is the only church on Earth possessing the truth about God. This conclusion is based on a faulty understanding of the harlot’s identity in Revelation 17:5.

Subduction Zone · Jan 23, 2020

kjw47 said:
opinion of a man== The Facts of Israelite God worship history and The teachings of Jesus say that man is the one in error. One cannot get any better backing than the teachings of Jesus. His teachings prove 100% no trinity god exists. If you knew what he actually taught( in every translation on earth those teachings are the same) you would know his teachings back the JW teachers. But instead you rely on mans words like the ones you posted. Those men do not know what Jesus actually teaches--Not a single trinitarian religion teaches these teachings correctly.

All you have is "the opinion of a man". You rely on a book of myths. You have no reliable evidence for your Bible. The sciences are based upon evidence. You only have faith. The sciences are what made your conversation here possible. What do you have besides circular reasoning?

Subduction Zone · Jan 23, 2020

kjw47 said:
There is no error in my post--just FACT.

You do not seem to know what "FACT"s are. You only have opinions based upon myth. Now I can explain to you how we know that there was no Flood. Early Christian geologists realized that there was no Flood. In fact saying that there was a flood is the same as claiming that God lied. That is why any Christian that understands the sciences and is honest rejects the Flood myth.

kjw47 · Jan 24, 2020

sojourner said:
Fortunately, I have scholarship on my side.

Wow what a dillusion you suffer.

kjw47 · Jan 24, 2020

sooda said:
Certain groups of Christians interpret this verse to mean the 144,000 will be members of their particular church – which, they believe, is the only church on Earth possessing the truth about God. This conclusion is based on a faulty understanding of the harlot’s identity in Revelation 17:5.

Not at all

kjw47 · Jan 24, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
All you have is "the opinion of a man". You rely on a book of myths. You have no reliable evidence for your Bible. The sciences are based upon evidence. You only have faith. The sciences are what made your conversation here possible. What do you have besides circular reasoning?

Facts.

kjw47 · Jan 24, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
You do not seem to know what "FACT"s are. You only have opinions based upon myth. Now I can explain to you how we know that there was no Flood. Early Christian geologists realized that there was no Flood. In fact saying that there was a flood is the same as claiming that God lied. That is why any Christian that understands the sciences and is honest rejects the Flood myth.

They also taught--the earth was flat--If one stood against that, were burned alive for heresy by ones claiming to be Jesus appointed teachers--Wow are they in major error to believe he is with them.

Subduction Zone · Jan 24, 2020

kjw47 said:
Facts.

I don't think you understand that term.

But since you probably believe in the Noah's Ark myth would you like to discuss the facts and evidence that tells us that it never happened? At least not as portrayed in the Bible.

Subduction Zone · Jan 24, 2020

kjw47 said:
They also taught--the earth was flat--If one stood against that, were burned alive for heresy by ones claiming to be Jesus appointed teachers--Wow are they in major error to believe he is with them.

Who taught that the Earth was flat? No Christians that I know of was burnt or burned others for this teaching. The Bible does only describe the Earth as flat and fixed in place. It does not describe it as a sphere.

I predict a answer that demonstrates a lack of understanding of the Bible and geometry

sojourner · Jan 24, 2020

kjw47 said:
Wow what a dillusion you suffer.

“Dillusion?” Is that an illusion of dill pickles? Or did you mean “disillusion?” Or possibly “delusion?” Any way you slice this pickle, you scoff at scholarship when your post could CLEARLY benefit from some.

kjw47 · Jan 25, 2020

sojourner said:
“Dillusion?” Is that an illusion of dill pickles? Or did you mean “disillusion?” Or possibly “delusion?” Any way you slice this pickle, you scoff at scholarship when your post could CLEARLY benefit from some.

The fact remains for all--God was NEVER a trinity.

sojourner · Jan 25, 2020

kjw47 said:
The fact remains for all--God was NEVER a trinity.

Your belief is that “God was never a Trinity.” You appear to have trouble discerning “fact” from “belief.” Facts are outwardly revealing to third party perspective. That’s not the case here. You hold a belief.

My truth is that God has always been a Trinity — and a singularity, and a pantheon, and a thousand other beliefs that people hold. And the really fun part is that all can (and do) exist side-by-side with equal viability. The difference between you and I is that the notion that God could be something you don’t believe, or can’t fathom, or wrap your mind around, makes you very, very uncomfortable. That’s how belief works. Anything that goes against what you believe to be true fosters anger, fright, despair, and dread. OTOH, your belief doesn’t bother me in the least. Because my truth allows for differences in belief and is not constrained to the tiny box created by belief. Belief causes one to hang on. Truth allows one to open and let go. God is known by a thousand names, and yet is the Unnameable One. My truth tells me that God is way too big for us to stuff in a box we can comprehend.

Subduction Zone · Jan 25, 2020

sojourner said:
Your belief is that “God was never a Trinity.” You appear to have trouble discerning “fact” from “belief.” Facts are outwardly revealing to third party perspective. That’s not the case here. You hold a belief.

My truth is that God has always been a Trinity — and a singularity, and a pantheon, and a thousand other beliefs that people hold. And the really fun part is that all can (and do) exist side-by-side with equal viability. The difference between you and I is that the notion that God could be something you don’t believe, or can’t fathom, or wrap your mind around, makes you very, very uncomfortable. That’s how belief works. Anything that goes against what you believe to be true fosters anger, fright, despair, and dread. OTOH, your belief doesn’t bother me in the least. Because my truth allows for differences in belief and is not constrained to the tiny box created by belief. Belief causes one to hang on. Truth allows one to open and let go. God is known by a thousand names, and yet is the Unnameable One. My truth tells me that God is way too big for us to stuff in a box we can comprehend.

if you remember the example that started this thread the sect that he belongs to is rather cruel to members of the flock that do not toe the official party line. That makes for what appears to be very limited reasoning by the members.

sojourner · Jan 26, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
if you remember the example that started this thread the sect that he belongs to is rather cruel to members of the flock that do not toe the official party line. That makes for what appears to be very limited reasoning by the members.

The “party line” doesn’t have enough bandwidth to support the diversity of truths that serve the breadth of the human family. Therefore, the ‘party line’ doesn’t serve either humanity or God; it only serves the “party.”

coconut theology · Jan 28, 2020

kjw47 said:
No evidence of what? The teachings of Jesus back my teachers.

I have some questions if you have some time? Some are in regards the books I have received from the WTS/JW org members back in the country I came from (having since moved). One is "What does the Bible really teach?" and the other is "Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy".

Would you be willing to look at those materials with me? I would like for you to explain a few things in them in a bit more detail from scripture, and have a bit of dialogue about what I believe also.

kjw47 · Jan 29, 2020

sojourner said:
Your belief is that “God was never a Trinity.” You appear to have trouble discerning “fact” from “belief.” Facts are outwardly revealing to third party perspective. That’s not the case here. You hold a belief.

My truth is that God has always been a Trinity — and a singularity, and a pantheon, and a thousand other beliefs that people hold. And the really fun part is that all can (and do) exist side-by-side with equal viability. The difference between you and I is that the notion that God could be something you don’t believe, or can’t fathom, or wrap your mind around, makes you very, very uncomfortable. That’s how belief works. Anything that goes against what you believe to be true fosters anger, fright, despair, and dread. OTOH, your belief doesn’t bother me in the least. Because my truth allows for differences in belief and is not constrained to the tiny box created by belief. Belief causes one to hang on. Truth allows one to open and let go. God is known by a thousand names, and yet is the Unnameable One. My truth tells me that God is way too big for us to stuff in a box we can comprehend.

From Moses on up until this very day--The Israelites while serving the true living God--serve, teach and worship a single being God-YHWH(YHVH(Jehovah) taught to every bible writer taught to Jesus his first 30 years attending the Israelite places of worship. Taught by every bible writer and Jesus--John 20:17, Rev 3:12--1Cor 8:6, 2Cor 1:3 1Cor 15:24-28--1Peter 1:3--John at Rev 1:6--Facts make truth not personal belief. Jesus warned all they wouldn't know him on account of his( Jesus) name.-John 15:20-21

kjw47 · Jan 29, 2020

coconut theology said:
I have some questions if you have some time? Some are in regards the books I have received from the WTS/JW org members back in the country I came from (having since moved). One is "What does the Bible really teach?" and the other is "Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy".

Would you be willing to look at those materials with me? I would like for you to explain a few things in them in a bit more detail from scripture, and have a bit of dialogue about what I believe also.

Ask a question.

cataway · Jan 29, 2020

sojourner said:
Your belief is that “God was never a Trinity.” You appear to have trouble discerning “fact” from “belief.” Facts are outwardly revealing to third party perspective. That’s not the case here. You hold a belief.

My truth is that God has always been a Trinity — and a singularity, and a pantheon, and a thousand other beliefs that people hold. And the really fun part is that all can (and do) exist side-by-side with equal viability. The difference between you and I is that the notion that God could be something you don’t believe, or can’t fathom, or wrap your mind around, makes you very, very uncomfortable. That’s how belief works. Anything that goes against what you believe to be true fosters anger, fright, despair, and dread. OTOH, your belief doesn’t bother me in the least. Because my truth allows for differences in belief and is not constrained to the tiny box created by belief. Belief causes one to hang on. Truth allows one to open and let go. God is known by a thousand names, and yet is the Unnameable One. My truth tells me that God is way too big for us to stuff in a box we can comprehend.

Isaiah 45:
5" I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.
There is no God except me.
I will strengthen you, although you did not know me,
6 In order that people may know
From the rising of the sun to its setting
That there is none besides me.
I am Jehovah, and there is no one else."
makes it rather plane there is but one true God

sojourner · Jan 29, 2020

cataway said:
Isaiah 45:
5" I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.
There is no God except me.
I will strengthen you, although you did not know me,
6 In order that people may know
From the rising of the sun to its setting
That there is none besides me.
I am Jehovah, and there is no one else."
makes it rather plane there is but one true God

Yes, and that’s precisely what the doctrine of the Trinity asserts, too.

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