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Who is "this generation" in Mark 13?

Rational Agnostic

Well-Known Member
I have made a few threads about this before, but am making another to refute the idea that the generation referred to in Mark 13 is referring to a future generation and not to the generation alive at Jesus' time. When I point out that Mark 13:30 states that Jesus' second coming was supposed to occur during the generation of his disciples, many Christians attempt to make the argument that "this generation" refers to the future generation when Jesus will return, rather than the generation alive at the time of Jesus. At first glance, it seems that this claim may be valid. However, a further study will reveal that it is not valid, and that the generation referred to in Mark 13:30 must have been the generation alive at the time of Jesus. To see this, consider the similarities of Matthew 10 and Mark 13, which both refer to apocalyptic events. I have highlighted the wording in red that is nearly exactly the same in both chapters, indicating that both of these chapters are referring to the second coming of Jesus and the end of the world. I have then highlighted in blue the specific prophecy (in both chapters) which states when this will occur.

Mark 13:

As Jesus was leaving the temple, one of his disciples said to him, “Look, Teacher! What massive stones! What magnificent buildings!”

2 “Do you see all these great buildings?” replied Jesus. “Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”


3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John and Andrew asked him privately, 4 “Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are all about to be fulfilled?”


5 Jesus said to them: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 6 Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many. 7 When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 8 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains.


9 “You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them. 10 And the gospel must first be preached to all nations. 11 Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit.


12 “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 13 Everyone will hate you because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.



14 “When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’a]">[a] standing where itb]">[b] does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 15 Let no one on the housetop go down or enter the house to take anything out. 16 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 17 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 18 Pray that this will not take place in winter, 19 because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now—and never to be equaled again.


20 “If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. 21 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it. 22 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 23 So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.


24 “But in those days, following that distress,

“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
25 the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’c]">[c]


26 “At that time people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.


28 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 29 Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that itd]">[d] is near, right at the door. 30 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.



Matthew 10:1-23:

Jesus called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out impure spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.

2 These are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon (who is called Peter) and his brother Andrew; James son of Zebedee, and his brother John; 3 Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Zealot and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him.


5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7 As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’ 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,a]">[a] drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.


9 “Do not get any gold or silver or copper to take with you in your belts— 10 no bag for the journey or extra shirt or sandals or a staff, for the worker is worth his keep. 11 Whatever town or village you enter, search there for some worthy person and stay at their house until you leave. 12 As you enter the home, give it your greeting. 13 If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.


16 “I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves. 17 Be on your guard; you will be handed over to the local councils and be flogged in the synagogues. 18 On my account you will be brought before governors and kings as witnesses to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20 for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.



21 “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 22 You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

So, we can see that this prophecy was clearly predicted to occur within the lifetimes of the disciples alive at Jesus' time. Both Matthew 10 and Mark 13 reference the second coming of Jesus (as indicated by the context) and both indicate that the second coming and final judgment was supposed to occur within the lifetime of Jesus' disciples. Any ambiguity about the phrase "this generation" in Mark 13 is cleared up in Matthew 10, indicating that this was clearly a failed prophecy. We also see this event referred to as the "day of judgment" in Matthew 10, providing even more confirming evidence that this was indeed a prophecy about the fictional "Judgment Day", which was supposed to have occurred nearly 2000 years ago.
 

allright

Active Member
Really try reading verse 32 where Jesus says he doesnt know the time of the end
and Acts 1:3 where he tells his disciples it isnt for them to know the times or seasons of his return
 

101G

Well-Known Member
GINOLJC, to all.
Addressing the OP, there are only two generation on this planet.and these two generations are identified as either,

A. the righteous generation

B. the evil generation

scripture, Matthew 3:7 "But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? or this,

now this, Psalms 112:2 "His seed shall be mighty upon earth: the generation of the upright shall be blessed.

so there was only one time when the upright exist.

but a generation can be identified by a certian event, example Generation x, or the hippie generation,

but in reference to Mark 13:30 "Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done". now to understand "this generation" one must know what "ALL THESE THING" that will happen at the time of "THIS" generation. so if one read back through Mark 13 up to verse 30 then one will know what generation is "THIS". example, And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven". well has this happen yet? when it do then it will be in "This" generation time.. he said when all these things are done. well some of these things are not yet done.

but was not some things done in "THIS" generation? yes, but not all things. so that come back to what I said, this generation is when the events happen, and there has always been an A. a righteous generation, and B. an evil generation when things happen.

I hope that helped.

PICJAD
 

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
I have made a few threads about this before, but am making another to refute the idea that the generation referred to in Mark 13 is referring to a future generation and not to the generation alive at Jesus' time. When I point out that Mark 13:30 states that Jesus' second coming was supposed to occur during the generation of his disciples, many Christians attempt to make the argument that "this generation" refers to the future generation when Jesus will return, rather than the generation alive at the time of Jesus. At first glance, it seems that this claim may be valid. However, a further study will reveal that it is not valid, and that the generation referred to in Mark 13:30 must have been the generation alive at the time of Jesus. To see this, consider the similarities of Matthew 10 and Mark 13, which both refer to apocalyptic events. I have highlighted the wording in red that is nearly exactly the same in both chapters, indicating that both of these chapters are referring to the second coming of Jesus and the end of the world. I have then highlighted in blue the specific prophecy (in both chapters) which states when this will occur.

Mark 13:

As Jesus was leaving the temple, one of his disciples said to him, “Look, Teacher! What massive stones! What magnificent buildings!”

2 “Do you see all these great buildings?” replied Jesus. “Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”


3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John and Andrew asked him privately, 4 “Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are all about to be fulfilled?”


5 Jesus said to them: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 6 Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many. 7 When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 8 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains.


9 “You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them. 10 And the gospel must first be preached to all nations. 11 Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit.


12 “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 13 Everyone will hate you because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.



14 “When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’a]">[a] standing where itb]">[b] does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 15 Let no one on the housetop go down or enter the house to take anything out. 16 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 17 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 18 Pray that this will not take place in winter, 19 because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now—and never to be equaled again.


20 “If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. 21 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it. 22 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 23 So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.


24 “But in those days, following that distress,

“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
25 the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’c]">[c]


26 “At that time people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.


28 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 29 Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that itd]">[d] is near, right at the door. 30 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.



Matthew 10:1-23:

Jesus called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out impure spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.

2 These are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon (who is called Peter) and his brother Andrew; James son of Zebedee, and his brother John; 3 Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Zealot and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him.


5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7 As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’ 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,a]">[a] drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.


9 “Do not get any gold or silver or copper to take with you in your belts— 10 no bag for the journey or extra shirt or sandals or a staff, for the worker is worth his keep. 11 Whatever town or village you enter, search there for some worthy person and stay at their house until you leave. 12 As you enter the home, give it your greeting. 13 If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.


16 “I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves. 17 Be on your guard; you will be handed over to the local councils and be flogged in the synagogues. 18 On my account you will be brought before governors and kings as witnesses to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20 for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.



21 “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 22 You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

So, we can see that this prophecy was clearly predicted to occur within the lifetimes of the disciples alive at Jesus' time. Both Matthew 10 and Mark 13 reference the second coming of Jesus (as indicated by the context) and both indicate that the second coming and final judgment was supposed to occur within the lifetime of Jesus' disciples. Any ambiguity about the phrase "this generation" in Mark 13 is cleared up in Matthew 10, indicating that this was clearly a failed prophecy. We also see this event referred to as the "day of judgment" in Matthew 10, providing even more confirming evidence that this was indeed a prophecy about the fictional "Judgment Day", which was supposed to have occurred nearly 2000 years ago.
I look at the Bible as a spiritual book, from the Lord, creator of everything.
Why would He be talking to me about somewhat meaningless literal earthly concepts only?
The Lord is infinity, his Word is also infinity.
There is an infinity of spiritual information packed into every word and every letter, and every punctuation mark, of what you quoted. My weak, finite mind cannot, and will not understand it, in this world. But I’m excited that I can get a tiny glimpse of what is being said there, while I live on this earth. And even more excited that I will have eternity to learn more and more and more.
Meanwhile, I can see a glimpse of myself and my walk with the Lord described there. And also, a glimpse of what was changing on earth in respect to the Lord’s church.
 

leov

Well-Known Member
I have made a few threads about this before, but am making another to refute the idea that the generation referred to in Mark 13 is referring to a future generation and not to the generation alive at Jesus' time. When I point out that Mark 13:30 states that Jesus' second coming was supposed to occur during the generation of his disciples, many Christians attempt to make the argument that "this generation" refers to the future generation when Jesus will return, rather than the generation alive at the time of Jesus. At first glance, it seems that this claim may be valid. However, a further study will reveal that it is not valid, and that the generation referred to in Mark 13:30 must have been the generation alive at the time of Jesus. To see this, consider the similarities of Matthew 10 and Mark 13, which both refer to apocalyptic events. I have highlighted the wording in red that is nearly exactly the same in both chapters, indicating that both of these chapters are referring to the second coming of Jesus and the end of the world. I have then highlighted in blue the specific prophecy (in both chapters) which states when this will occur.

Mark 13:

As Jesus was leaving the temple, one of his disciples said to him, “Look, Teacher! What massive stones! What magnificent buildings!”

2 “Do you see all these great buildings?” replied Jesus. “Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”


3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John and Andrew asked him privately, 4 “Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are all about to be fulfilled?”


5 Jesus said to them: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 6 Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many. 7 When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 8 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains.


9 “You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them. 10 And the gospel must first be preached to all nations. 11 Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit.


12 “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 13 Everyone will hate you because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.



14 “When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’a]">[a] standing where itb]">[b] does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 15 Let no one on the housetop go down or enter the house to take anything out. 16 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 17 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 18 Pray that this will not take place in winter, 19 because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now—and never to be equaled again.


20 “If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. 21 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it. 22 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 23 So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.


24 “But in those days, following that distress,

“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
25 the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’c]">[c]


26 “At that time people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.


28 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 29 Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that itd]">[d] is near, right at the door. 30 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.



Matthew 10:1-23:

Jesus called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out impure spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.

2 These are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon (who is called Peter) and his brother Andrew; James son of Zebedee, and his brother John; 3 Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Zealot and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him.


5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7 As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’ 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,a]">[a] drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.


9 “Do not get any gold or silver or copper to take with you in your belts— 10 no bag for the journey or extra shirt or sandals or a staff, for the worker is worth his keep. 11 Whatever town or village you enter, search there for some worthy person and stay at their house until you leave. 12 As you enter the home, give it your greeting. 13 If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.


16 “I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves. 17 Be on your guard; you will be handed over to the local councils and be flogged in the synagogues. 18 On my account you will be brought before governors and kings as witnesses to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20 for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.



21 “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 22 You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

So, we can see that this prophecy was clearly predicted to occur within the lifetimes of the disciples alive at Jesus' time. Both Matthew 10 and Mark 13 reference the second coming of Jesus (as indicated by the context) and both indicate that the second coming and final judgment was supposed to occur within the lifetime of Jesus' disciples. Any ambiguity about the phrase "this generation" in Mark 13 is cleared up in Matthew 10, indicating that this was clearly a failed prophecy. We also see this event referred to as the "day of judgment" in Matthew 10, providing even more confirming evidence that this was indeed a prophecy about the fictional "Judgment Day", which was supposed to have occurred nearly 2000 years ago.
Human race
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Really try reading verse 32 where Jesus says he doesnt know the time of the end
and Acts 1:3 where he tells his disciples it isnt for them to know the times or seasons of his return
Yes, he does not know the end time. I could know that I was going to do something next week, but I still would not know when. Jesus did give a time limit. That passed at least 1,900 years ago.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
I have made a few threads about this before, but am making another to refute the idea that the generation referred to in Mark 13 is referring to a future generation and not to the generation alive at Jesus' time. When I point out that Mark 13:30 states that Jesus' second coming was supposed to occur during the generation of his disciples, many Christians attempt to make the argument that "this generation" refers to the future generation when Jesus will return, rather than the generation alive at the time of Jesus. At first glance, it seems that this claim may be valid. However, a further study will reveal that it is not valid, and that the generation referred to in Mark 13:30 must have been the generation alive at the time of Jesus........

Hello Hubert,

Mark 13 parrallels with Matthew 24. I believe that "this generation" is in reference to the "last generation" because the context to the question being asked by the disciples is what are the "signs" that will come to pass prior to the "2nd coming" and "the end of the world". JESUS then goes on to answer this question showing all the signs that will come to pass which will take place before JESUS returns and the end of the world.

It is to this generation that sees all these signs come to pass collectively that is the generation that sees the return of JESUS and the end of the world, not a generation that only sees some things come to pass.

WHAT MUST TAKE PLACE BEFORE THE END OF THE WORLD ?

MATTHEW 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and WHAT WILL BE THE SIGN OF YOUR COMING AND THE END OF THE WORLD?

1. Destruction of Juresalem *Matthew 24:15-22 (fulfilled)
2. False teachers, messengers, false Christs and false prophets *Matthew 24:4-5; 11; 24 (Being fulfilled and continues to be fulfilled 40,000 Christian denominations today)
3. Nations will rise againse nations and wars and rumours of wars *Matthew 24:6-7; 10 (being fulfilled)
4. God’s people will be persecuted for sharing God’s Word *Matthew 24:9 (Being fulfilled and continues to be fulfilled)
5. The gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness to all nations; and then shall the end come (needs to be fulfilled in a generation yet to be fulfilled). *Matthew 24:14
6. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken *Matthew 24:29-30.
7. So likewise you, when you shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors *Matthew 24:33
8. It will be as it was in the days that were before the flood *Matthew 24:38-39

In other words, the annihilation of this world, era, age, and so on, will not be triggered by the collapse of a single sign listed in Matthew 24, but, all the signs of this aion (world) will converge together to bring the end and the second coming which will be a public event according to the scriptures.

Your interpretation of the scriptures here are in error not the scriptures. Please let me know if you want to discuss a specific section of your OP in detail as all your highlighted sections can be clearly explained through the scriptures if your confused by them.

Hope this is helpful :)
 
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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Hello Hubert,

I believe that "this generation" is in reference to the "last generation" because the context to the question being asked by the disciples is what are the "signs" that will come to pass prior to the "2nd coming" and "the end of the world". JESUS then goes on to answer this question showing all the signs which will come before JESUS returns and the end of the world.

It is to this generation that sees all these signs come to pass collectively that is the generation that sees the return of JESUS and the end of the world, not a generation that only sees some things come to pass.

Your interpretation of the scriptures here are in error not the scriptures.

WHAT MUST TAKE PLACE BEFORE THE END OF THE WORLD ?

MATTHEW 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?



1. Destruction of Juresalem *Matthew 24:15-22 (fulfilled)



2. False teachers, messengers, false Christs and false prophets *Matthew 24:4-5; 11; 24 (Being fulfilled and continues to be fulfilled 40,000 Christian denominations today)



3. Nations will rise againse nations and wars and rumours of wars *Matthew 24:6-7; 10 (being fulfilled)



4. God’s people will be persecuted for sharing God’s Word *Matthew 24:9 (Being fulfilled and continues to be fulfilled)



5. The gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness to all nations; and then shall the end come (needs to be fulfilled in a generation yet to be fulfilled). *Matthew 24:14



6. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken *Matthew 24:29-30.



7. So likewise you, when you shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors *Matthew 24:33



8. It will be as it was in the days that were before the flood *Matthew 24:38-39


In other words, the annihilation of this world, era, age, and so on, will not be triggered by the collapse of a single sign listed in Matthew 24, but, all the signs of this aion (world) will converge together to bring the end and the second coming which will be a public event.
Wow!! Now that is some seriously added context.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John and Andrew asked him privately, 4 “Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are all about to be fulfilled?”

26 “At that time people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.

Concentrate on these parts and you will understand that Jesus was talking about a dual fulfilment of his prophesy. The first fulfilment occurred with Jerusalem’s destruction in 70 C.E.....and one was to occur when his promised return took place.

I don’t know what translation you are using, but it’s not a very good one. Using the Greek interlinear and Strongs Concordance, the translation reveals something interesting.....

When the disciples asked Jesus for a sign of his return, they had no idea that it was going to take another 2,000 years to take place...at that time Jesus didn’t either. But when Jesus promised to return, the word the disciples used was not “coming” but “presence”. Why is that significant? Because Jesus’ “presence” (parousia) needed a sign to alert the Christians that it had taken place. You don’t need a sign for something that everyone can see.

Jesus “presence” and his “coming”, we believe are two separate events. One at the beginning of his presence, and one at the end when it says that “all eyes will see him”.

The second part of the “sign” we believe has been in evidence since 1914, when Jesus was installed as King in heaven. (Daniel 7:13-14) The book of Daniel addressed much of what would take place in “the time of the end” including Jesus’ coronation and the march of world powers right down to our day.

The first part of the sign was unprecedented war, followed by pestilence and earthquakes...an increase in lawlessness....and love disappearing from the world. 1914 saw the outbreak of the FIRST World War.....the likes of which had never been seen in the history of the world. Features of the sign are worsening as the end draws closer. A world wide preaching about God’s Kingdom was also part of the sign. (Matthew 24:14)

When Jesus said that the “generation” who saw the sign in 70 CE was still going to be in existence when he returned, what did he mean? Obviously he could not have meant it literally, as in the same literal generation as his first disciples.....but because Jesus’ disciples in the first century were all of the “elect” (that is, those specifically chosen for positions in the heavenly kingdom, which Paul said that resulted in their “adoption as sons” Romans 8:14-17) these are Christ’s “brothers”.

Jesus also foretold that Christianity would be infiltrated by “weeds”, virtually choking out the “wheat” for however long God allowed the “wheat and the weeds” to “grow together” until the “harvest time”. No one knew when that would be, not even Jesus at that time (Matthew 24:36)

In the Bible book of Daniel, he spoke about “the time of the end”.....a time when all of the things that Jesus spoke about as the “sign of his presence” would take place. It was a time for cleansing, whitening and refining of God’s worship.....and in view of the divided state of “Christianity” and their activities over the past 2,000 years, who can deny that such a cleansing was needed?

After the cleansing, the “wheat” was now free to be selected again, after a long period where Christianity ran off the rails, and only the very brave dared to speak the truth. (making it slim pickings for the wheat) Christianity became apostate in exactly the same way that Judaism had before it.

The “generation” that Jesus spoke about.....are ‘generated’ by God, adopted by him as his spiritual sons who will rule with Christ as “kings and priests” in his kingdom. (Revelation 20:6) this selection began in the first century, was interrupted by the foretold apostasy, and finalised in “the time of the end”.
FWIW...this is how I see it.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
I have made a few threads about this before, but am making another to refute the idea that the generation referred to in Mark 13 is referring to a future generation and not to the generation alive at Jesus' time. When I point out that Mark 13:30 states that Jesus' second coming was supposed to occur during the generation of his disciples, many Christians attempt to make the argument that "this generation" refers to the future generation when Jesus will return, rather than the generation alive at the time of Jesus. At first glance, it seems that this claim may be valid. However, a further study will reveal that it is not valid, and that the generation referred to in Mark 13:30 must have been the generation alive at the time of Jesus. To see this, consider the similarities of Matthew 10 and Mark 13, which both refer to apocalyptic events. I have highlighted the wording in red that is nearly exactly the same in both chapters, indicating that both of these chapters are referring to the second coming of Jesus and the end of the world. I have then highlighted in blue the specific prophecy (in both chapters) which states when this will occur.

Mark 13:

As Jesus was leaving the temple, one of his disciples said to him, “Look, Teacher! What massive stones! What magnificent buildings!”

2 “Do you see all these great buildings?” replied Jesus. “Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”


3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John and Andrew asked him privately, 4 “Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are all about to be fulfilled?”


5 Jesus said to them: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 6 Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many. 7 When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 8 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains.


9 “You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them. 10 And the gospel must first be preached to all nations. 11 Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit.


12 “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 13 Everyone will hate you because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.



14 “When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’a]">[a] standing where itb]">[b] does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 15 Let no one on the housetop go down or enter the house to take anything out. 16 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 17 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 18 Pray that this will not take place in winter, 19 because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now—and never to be equaled again.


20 “If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. 21 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it. 22 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 23 So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.


24 “But in those days, following that distress,

“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
25 the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’c]">[c]


26 “At that time people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.


28 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 29 Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that itd]">[d] is near, right at the door. 30 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.



Matthew 10:1-23:

Jesus called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out impure spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.

2 These are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon (who is called Peter) and his brother Andrew; James son of Zebedee, and his brother John; 3 Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Zealot and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him.


5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7 As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’ 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,a]">[a] drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.


9 “Do not get any gold or silver or copper to take with you in your belts— 10 no bag for the journey or extra shirt or sandals or a staff, for the worker is worth his keep. 11 Whatever town or village you enter, search there for some worthy person and stay at their house until you leave. 12 As you enter the home, give it your greeting. 13 If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.


16 “I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves. 17 Be on your guard; you will be handed over to the local councils and be flogged in the synagogues. 18 On my account you will be brought before governors and kings as witnesses to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20 for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.



21 “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 22 You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

So, we can see that this prophecy was clearly predicted to occur within the lifetimes of the disciples alive at Jesus' time. Both Matthew 10 and Mark 13 reference the second coming of Jesus (as indicated by the context) and both indicate that the second coming and final judgment was supposed to occur within the lifetime of Jesus' disciples. Any ambiguity about the phrase "this generation" in Mark 13 is cleared up in Matthew 10, indicating that this was clearly a failed prophecy. We also see this event referred to as the "day of judgment" in Matthew 10, providing even more confirming evidence that this was indeed a prophecy about the fictional "Judgment Day", which was supposed to have occurred nearly 2000 years ago.
Scriptures are spiritually discerned. Even people who study for years and have the Spirit still don't know everything.

What you're doing is misunderstanding and inoculating yourself to the scriptures.

Matthew 13:19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
I have made a few threads about this before, but am making another to refute the idea that the generation referred to in Mark 13 is referring to a future generation and not to the generation alive at Jesus' time. When I point out that Mark 13:30 states that Jesus' second coming was supposed to occur during the generation of his disciples, many Christians attempt to make the argument that "this generation" refers to the future generation when Jesus will return, rather than the generation alive at the time of Jesus. At first glance, it seems that this claim may be valid. However, a further study will reveal that it is not valid, and that the generation referred to in Mark 13:30 must have been the generation alive at the time of Jesus. To see this, consider the similarities of Matthew 10 and Mark 13, which both refer to apocalyptic events. I have highlighted the wording in red that is nearly exactly the same in both chapters, indicating that both of these chapters are referring to the second coming of Jesus and the end of the world. I have then highlighted in blue the specific prophecy (in both chapters) which states when this will occur.

Mark 13:

As Jesus was leaving the temple, one of his disciples said to him, “Look, Teacher! What massive stones! What magnificent buildings!”

2 “Do you see all these great buildings?” replied Jesus. “Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”


3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John and Andrew asked him privately, 4 “Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are all about to be fulfilled?”


5 Jesus said to them: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 6 Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many. 7 When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 8 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains.


9 “You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them. 10 And the gospel must first be preached to all nations. 11 Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit.


12 “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 13 Everyone will hate you because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.



14 “When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’a]">[a] standing where itb]">[b] does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 15 Let no one on the housetop go down or enter the house to take anything out. 16 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 17 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 18 Pray that this will not take place in winter, 19 because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now—and never to be equaled again.


20 “If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. 21 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it. 22 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 23 So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.


24 “But in those days, following that distress,

“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
25 the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’c]">[c]


26 “At that time people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.


28 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 29 Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that itd]">[d] is near, right at the door. 30 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.



Matthew 10:1-23:

Jesus called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out impure spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.

2 These are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon (who is called Peter) and his brother Andrew; James son of Zebedee, and his brother John; 3 Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Zealot and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him.


5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7 As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’ 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,a]">[a] drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.


9 “Do not get any gold or silver or copper to take with you in your belts— 10 no bag for the journey or extra shirt or sandals or a staff, for the worker is worth his keep. 11 Whatever town or village you enter, search there for some worthy person and stay at their house until you leave. 12 As you enter the home, give it your greeting. 13 If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.


16 “I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves. 17 Be on your guard; you will be handed over to the local councils and be flogged in the synagogues. 18 On my account you will be brought before governors and kings as witnesses to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20 for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.



21 “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 22 You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

So, we can see that this prophecy was clearly predicted to occur within the lifetimes of the disciples alive at Jesus' time. Both Matthew 10 and Mark 13 reference the second coming of Jesus (as indicated by the context) and both indicate that the second coming and final judgment was supposed to occur within the lifetime of Jesus' disciples. Any ambiguity about the phrase "this generation" in Mark 13 is cleared up in Matthew 10, indicating that this was clearly a failed prophecy. We also see this event referred to as the "day of judgment" in Matthew 10, providing even more confirming evidence that this was indeed a prophecy about the fictional "Judgment Day", which was supposed to have occurred nearly 2000 years ago.


Seeing that you skip right over the most important verse in Mark 13..in Verse 28 Jesus Christ said --"now learn a parable of the fig tree; when her branches get tinder, and put a fork sleeves you know that summer is near"

Now why would Jesus Christ make such a statement to learn the parable of the fig tree.. what's so important about the parable of the fig tree..that Jesus Christ wants people to learn it..
did you, yourself learn the parable of the fig tree..
The parable of the fig tree..starts in the book of Genesis all the way down to the book of Revelation...But as anyone took the time to learn the parable of the fig tree..

The parable of the fig tree. Is not
Past Tents as some people would have people to believe..
The parable of the fig tree was future tents. from the day Jesus Christ given the parable of the fig tree..
The parable of the fig tree came to it's fulfilment in what year?
And what nation in the world represents the parable of the fig tree?
And when that Nation fulfilled the parable of the fig tree... Ushered in the closing of this world..
This world is coming to it's end in a very not to far distance from us..
We are that Generation of the parable of the fig tree..to see and witness the coming of this world coming to it's close - end.
 
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sooda

Veteran Member
Seeing that you skip right over the most important verse in Mark 13..in Verse 28 Jesus Christ said --"now learn a parable of the fig tree; when her branches get tinder, and put a fork sleeves you know that summer is near"

Now why would Jesus Christ make such a statement to learn the parable of the fig tree.. what's so important about the parable of the fig tree..that Jesus Christ wants people to learn it..
did you, yourself learn the parable of the fig tree..
The parable of the fig tree..starts in the book of Genesis all the way down to the book of Revelation...But as anyone took the time to learn the parable of the fig tree..

The parable of the fig tree. Is not
Past Tents as some people would have people to believe..
The parable of the fig tree was future tents. from the day Jesus Christ given the parable of the fig tree..
The parable of the fig tree came to it's fulfilment in what year?
And what nation in the world represents the parable of the fig tree?
And when that Nation fulfilled the parable of the fig tree... Ushered in the closing of this world..
This world is coming to it's end in a very not to far distance from us..
We are that Generation of the parable of the fig tree..to see and witness the coming of this world coming to it's close - end.

Fig trees bear fruit twice a year.. Remember that the Temple was destroyed in August during the time of the grape harvest.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Hello Hubert,

Mark 13 parrallels with Matthew 24. I believe that "this generation" is in reference to the "last generation" because the context to the question being asked by the disciples is what are the "signs" that will come to pass prior to the "2nd coming" and "the end of the world". JESUS then goes on to answer this question showing all the signs that will come to pass which will take place before JESUS returns and the end of the world.

It is to this generation that sees all these signs come to pass collectively that is the generation that sees the return of JESUS and the end of the world, not a generation that only sees some things come to pass.

WHAT MUST TAKE PLACE BEFORE THE END OF THE WORLD ?

MATTHEW 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and WHAT WILL BE THE SIGN OF YOUR COMING AND THE END OF THE WORLD?

1. Destruction of Juresalem *Matthew 24:15-22 (fulfilled)
2. False teachers, messengers, false Christs and false prophets *Matthew 24:4-5; 11; 24 (Being fulfilled and continues to be fulfilled 40,000 Christian denominations today)
3. Nations will rise againse nations and wars and rumours of wars *Matthew 24:6-7; 10 (being fulfilled)
4. God’s people will be persecuted for sharing God’s Word *Matthew 24:9 (Being fulfilled and continues to be fulfilled)
5. The gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness to all nations; and then shall the end come (needs to be fulfilled in a generation yet to be fulfilled). *Matthew 24:14
6. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken *Matthew 24:29-30.
7. So likewise you, when you shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors *Matthew 24:33
8. It will be as it was in the days that were before the flood *Matthew 24:38-39

In other words, the annihilation of this world, era, age, and so on, will not be triggered by the collapse of a single sign listed in Matthew 24, but, all the signs of this aion (world) will converge together to bring the end and the second coming which will be a public event according to the scriptures.

Your interpretation of the scriptures here are in error not the scriptures. Please let me know if you want to discuss a specific section of your OP in detail as all your highlighted sections can be clearly explained through the scriptures if your confused by them.

Hope this is helpful :)


3rd angel..can you explain the parable of the fig tree..
Start with the book of Genesis and go all the way to the book of Revelation..
And line up everything about the parable of the fig tree. From Genesis to Revelation.
Can you do that..
When Jesus Christ given the parable of the fig tree..from that year.. to what year did the the parable of the fig tree come to it's fulfilment and what Nation in the world represents the parable of the fig tree.
That brought about the fulfilment of the parable of the fig tree?
And is so important about the parable of the fig tree that Jesus Christ wants people to learn it.
When the parable of the fig tree came to it's fulfilment from that year forward what things are to happen in bring this world to it's end.
It's all foretold in the book of Jesus Christ Revelation.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Scriptures are spiritually discerned. Even people who study for years and have the Spirit still don't know everything.

What you're doing is misunderstanding and inoculating yourself to the scriptures.

Matthew 13:19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

Judea despised Israel .. The north was more prosperous and had better farming and fishing than the arid, hardscrabble of Judea. Its important to remember that as you read scripture. It becomes clearer.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Fig trees bear fruit twice a year.. Remember that the Temple was destroyed in August during the time of the grape harvest.


No.you remember that the parable of the fig tree points to one nation that brought about the fulfilment of the parable of the fig tree.
Which nation in the world represents the fig tree.
And when Jesus Christ given the parable of the fig tree from that year to what year in the future did the parable of the fig tree come to it's fulfilment.
There's only one nation in the world represents a fig tree...What nation is that and when in what year did that Nation become to be recognized as a nation in the world?

The parable of the fig tree...starts in the book of Genesis and goes all the way down to the book of Jesus Christ book of Revelation.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
I have made a few threads about this before, but am making another to refute the idea that the generation referred to in Mark 13 is referring to a future generation and not to the generation alive at Jesus' time. When I point out that Mark 13:30 states that Jesus' second coming was supposed to occur during the generation of his disciples, many Christians attempt to make the argument that "this generation" refers to the future generation when Jesus will return, rather than the generation alive at the time of Jesus. At first glance, it seems that this claim may be valid. However, a further study will reveal that it is not valid, and that the generation referred to in Mark 13:30 must have been the generation alive at the time of Jesus. To see this, consider the similarities of Matthew 10 and Mark 13, which both refer to apocalyptic events. I have highlighted the wording in red that is nearly exactly the same in both chapters, indicating that both of these chapters are referring to the second coming of Jesus and the end of the world. I have then highlighted in blue the specific prophecy (in both chapters) which states when this will occur.

Mark 13:

As Jesus was leaving the temple, one of his disciples said to him, “Look, Teacher! What massive stones! What magnificent buildings!”

2 “Do you see all these great buildings?” replied Jesus. “Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”


3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John and Andrew asked him privately, 4 “Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are all about to be fulfilled?”


5 Jesus said to them: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 6 Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many. 7 When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 8 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains.


9 “You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them. 10 And the gospel must first be preached to all nations. 11 Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit.


12 “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 13 Everyone will hate you because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.



14 “When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’a]">[a] standing where itb]">[b] does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 15 Let no one on the housetop go down or enter the house to take anything out. 16 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 17 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 18 Pray that this will not take place in winter, 19 because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now—and never to be equaled again.


20 “If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. 21 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it. 22 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 23 So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.


24 “But in those days, following that distress,

“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
25 the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’c]">[c]


26 “At that time people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.


28 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 29 Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that itd]">[d] is near, right at the door. 30 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.



Matthew 10:1-23:

Jesus called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out impure spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.

2 These are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon (who is called Peter) and his brother Andrew; James son of Zebedee, and his brother John; 3 Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Zealot and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him.


5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7 As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’ 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,a]">[a] drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.


9 “Do not get any gold or silver or copper to take with you in your belts— 10 no bag for the journey or extra shirt or sandals or a staff, for the worker is worth his keep. 11 Whatever town or village you enter, search there for some worthy person and stay at their house until you leave. 12 As you enter the home, give it your greeting. 13 If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.


16 “I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves. 17 Be on your guard; you will be handed over to the local councils and be flogged in the synagogues. 18 On my account you will be brought before governors and kings as witnesses to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20 for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.



21 “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 22 You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

So, we can see that this prophecy was clearly predicted to occur within the lifetimes of the disciples alive at Jesus' time. Both Matthew 10 and Mark 13 reference the second coming of Jesus (as indicated by the context) and both indicate that the second coming and final judgment was supposed to occur within the lifetime of Jesus' disciples. Any ambiguity about the phrase "this generation" in Mark 13 is cleared up in Matthew 10, indicating that this was clearly a failed prophecy. We also see this event referred to as the "day of judgment" in Matthew 10, providing even more confirming evidence that this was indeed a prophecy about the fictional "Judgment Day", which was supposed to have occurred nearly 2000 years ago.

Re: the Lost Sheep of Israel......

Modern readers of the NT often know little about the geopolitical world of first-century Palestine. It is commonly assumed that “the Jews” were an undifferentiated community living amicably in the part of the world we now call “the Holy Land” united in their resentment of the political imposition of Roman rule to which all were equally subject.

But, he says, “this is a gross distortion of the historical and cultural reality.”

The northern province of Galilee was decisively distinct—in history, political status, and culture—from the southern province of Judea which contained the holy city of Jerusalem.

Admitting that the following is a drastic oversimplification but hoping that it’s not a complete caricature, Professor France summarizes seven differences:

  1. Racially the area of the former Northern Kingdom of Israel had had, ever since the Assyrian conquest in the eighth century B.C., a more mixed population, within which more conservative Jewish areas (like Nazareth and Capernaum) stood in close proximity to largely pagan cities, of which in the first century the new Hellenistic centers of Tiberias and Sepphoris were the chief examples.
  2. Geographically Galilee was separated from Judea by the non-Jewish territory of Samaria, and from Perea in the southeast by the Hellenistic settlements of Decapolis.
  3. Politically Galilee had been under separate administration from Judea during almost all its history since the tenth century B.C. (apart from a period of “reunification” under the Maccabees), and in the time of Jesus it was under a (supposedly) native Herodian prince, while Judea and Samaria had since A.D. 6 been under the direct rule of a Roman prefect.
  4. Economically Galilee offered better agricultural and fishing resources than the more mountainous territory of Judea, making the wealth of some Galileans the envy of their southern neighbors.
  5. Culturally Judeans despised their northern neighbors as country cousins, their lack of Jewish sophistication being compounded by their greater openness to Hellenistic influence.
  6. Linguistically Galileans spoke a distinctive form of Aramaic whose slovenly consonants (they dropped their aitches!) were the butt of Judean humor.
  7. Religiously the Judean opinion was that Galileans were lax in their observance of proper ritual, and the problem was exacerbated by the distance of Galilee from the temple and the theological leadership, which was focused in Jerusalem.
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7 Differences Between Galilee and Judea in the Time of Jesus
 
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