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Creationists and ID Proponents, please.....

leroy

leroy

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Audie said:
Far from false it is dead on and you cannot
demonstrate otherwise.

If btw magnetism and comets (?)
are "positive arguments" then why
dont you go yec?
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I am not a YeC because the eviance strongly supports an old earth.

All I am saying is that YeC do try to present a positive case for their view and atleast they try to answer to hard questions, which is something that atheist from this forum usually never do.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Wild Fox said:
The fact that we can see measure the alteration of magnetic poles along the Atlantic ocean floor representing the changing of the north and south magnetic fields back an forth in succession representing the slow separation of the continents bordering the east and west Atlantic is clearly against a young earth idea and those changes only started when Pangea separated.
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Kinda dumb to bring that up as yecsupport.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
leroy said:
I am not a YeC because the eviance strongly supports an old earth.

All I am saying is that YeC do try to present a positive case for their view and atleast they try to answer to hard questions, which is something that atheist from this forum usually never do.
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So quickly I am reminded why you
spent so long in ig city.
 
Bear Wild

Bear Wild

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Audie said:
Kinda dumb to bring that up as yecsupport.
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The alternating magnetic poles along the Atlantic floor is evidence of how slow the processes in geological are which is in direct opposition to a young earth creationist belief. There is no evidence for YEC and that is the point.
 
Bear Wild

Bear Wild

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Wandering Monk said:
Because the iron in the new sea floor retains the magnetic polarization of the earth when the new material hardens.
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Exactly. The poles switch back and fourth between north and south throughout the history of the earth. The new deposition of basalt at the mid Atlantic ridge will take on the magnetic polar pattern of that time. This pattern was evidence in understanding plate tectonics as the plates on either side of the Atlantic separated. The point is that this is clear evidence against a young earth as we see evidence of the slow process that separates the plates.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Wild Fox said:
The alternating magnetic poles along the Atlantic floor is evidence of how slow the processes in geological are which is in direct opposition to a young earth creationist belief. There is no evidence for YEC and that is the point.
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Well yes I know that.

Not everyone does. (nor how to use quotation marks, or the difference between
a comet and a comment :D)

...the "earth magnetic field" or the "comments can only last for 15,000 years" are positive arguments for YEC.
 
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tas8831

tas8831

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leroy said:
I am not a yec, I simply pointed the fact that there are rebuttals to the list
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Nice dodge - do you think the rebuttals have merit?

if so, how do you know?

Can you provide an example of a rebuttal that was valid?
 
tas8831

tas8831

Well-Known Member
leroy said:
That simply is not true, arguments like the "earth magnetic field" or the "comments can only last for 15,000 years" are positive arguments for YEC.

You might argue that the arguments are bad, but you can't make the false accusation that you just made
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If the arguments are bad, and this has been shown, and the claims are still made... what do we make of them?
 
leroy

leroy

Well-Known Member
tas8831 said:
Nice dodge - do you think the rebuttals have merit?

if so, how do you know?

Can you provide an example of a rebuttal that was valid?
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Both talk origins and creation wiki have both good and bad rebuttals, this is an example of a poor rebuttal from talk origins, with a nice creationist answer.



Some fossil species are still living (Talk.Origins) - CreationWiki, the encyclopedia of creation science

The main point of the article being that organisms would gain neutral mutations in a stable environment, and therefore by genetic drift organisms are expected to change even if there is no selective pressure, meaning that there is no excuse, Darwinism cant explain the lack of evolution of living fossils.
 
MonkeyFire

MonkeyFire

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The center of time is where all the darkness occurs, before and after time is the sweet spot where you are perfect always before, and here after. Point being creation isnt what you think, it's more of a middle point than a starting point, and it's not all glitz and glamour.
 
TagliatelliMonster

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
leroy said:
Both talk origins and creation wiki have both good and bad rebuttals, this is an example of a poor rebuttal from talk origins, with a nice creationist answer.



Some fossil species are still living (Talk.Origins) - CreationWiki, the encyclopedia of creation science

The main point of the article being that organisms would gain neutral mutations in a stable environment, and therefore by genetic drift organisms are expected to change even if there is no selective pressure, meaning that there is no excuse, Darwinism cant explain the lack of evolution of living fossils.
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I haven't read the link. I might later.

But I would think neutral mutations would change the DNA, not the fysiology - or at least not much. If fysiology is affected, chances are big that mutations are not going to be neutral. There might / will be some small visible changes irrelevant to fitness, but it would not be much.
 
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