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Why should diversity of religion exist?

Tumah

Veteran Member
All the scriptures of the major religions teach us to be good.

Examples are:

Zoroastrian Faith teaches - Good thoughts, good words and good deeds
Judaism - teaches peace and that one day there will be no more war and the wolf and lamb will lie down together

Christian Faith. Love one another, love your enemies

Quran - Islam - return good for evil

And so on. These are just a tiny few.
1. Your original post said "create love and unity" not "to be good".

2. You have not quoted any Jewish sources illustrating the point of your OP (see point 1). You have paraphrased a Jewish verse teaching that one day there will be world peace. All these words "love, unity, good, peace" are not synonyms.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Matthew 22[34]But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sad'ducees, they came together.
[35] And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question, to test him.
[36] "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?"
[37] And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38] This is the great and
first Commandment.
[39] And a
second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[40] On these T
wo Commandments depend all the law and the prophets."

You'll also see much the same in Mark 12[28-34].
Yeah... and where in any of them did Jesus say, "there are only Two Commandments that we are to follow"? Nowhere metis.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Very true. But in this age the more education we can get and the more we learn to think for ourselves instead of blindly being spoon fed I think we will overcome this problem.
A questioning mind is a very valuable asset and more and more people are starting to think for themselves and do their own research but there’s a long way to go.

Those who blindly follow without investigating themselves are open and vulnerable to being easily manipulated.
We humans are what we are. I don't think hoping we'll change is going to work. I think we need to recognize and accept what we are and find systems that can accommodate our shortcomings without enabling our own worst inclinations. Unfortunately, every time we try this, our worst inclinations come galloping in looking to take advantage.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
I think that the moral teachings of all religions tell us to treat others how we wish to be treated. We all want to be loved and accepted I believe.
Now you have to define love.
From what Paul said, love "does not rejoice over unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth" (1 Corinthians 13:6).
You are not suggesting that the same Jesus who said those words, acted unloving when he chased those Jews out the temple, and overturned their tables, sending coins scattering, are you?
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member

1. Your original post said "create love and unity" not "to be good".

2. You have not quoted any Jewish sources illustrating the point of your OP (see point 1). You have paraphrased a Jewish verse teaching that one day there will be world peace. All these words "love, unity, good, peace" are not synonyms.

Leviticus 19:18 "You shall not take revenge and you shall not bear a grudge; you shall love your neighbor as yourself, I am God."

"... The three loves—love of G‑d, love of Torah and love of one's fellow—are one. One cannot differentiate between them, for they are of a single essence. And since they are of a single essence, each one embodies all three.... "

Jewish Unity

Thus the greater challenge for the Jew in this age, is to come to terms with the possibility that G_d has also given other Messages to other people. They may have to consider all those that accept the Torah is given by G_d are also One.

Regards Tony
 
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Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
What would be the harm if we prayed and meditated and visited each other’s places of worship?

Visiting my place of worship would involve me inviting you into my home and into the most sacred space therein. That is something I only do with great care and caution. Very few are welcome there especially if they are outsiders. So when you ask what the harm is? You are simply not welcome there. I know outsiders will neither understand nor respect the space and I do not want their energy sullying it. Do not trespass where you are not welcomed or wanted.


So why don’t the religionists visit and worship together and establish friendship and fellowship because they all teach love and unity?

Probably because religious teachings and practices are more complicated than that. Also, people have different tastes and preferences. No offense to those of you who like that all American restaurant style, but I'm not going to voluntarily go out to eat at some steak and potatoes place unless you're paying. I just don't like the food. Religion is the same way.


believe if each religion extends true friendship to the other religions the time will come when diversity of religion will cease and we will be as one family.

Gods, I hope not. Eliminating religious diversity would quite literally require brainwashing of the entire human species to be some sort of creepy, Borg-like hivemind. I'll pass.

See - A World With Many Religions is Better Than a World With Only One
 
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CG Didymus

Veteran Member
That sounds awful, who are those fanatics according to you, what are they practising?
There is a continuum from "Who cares" and being very liberal on religious beliefs and doctrines to those fanatics that believe their Scripture 100% and very literally. Obviously those fanatics must not be allowed to do that.
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
Although religion is meant to create love and unity it represents probably the largest group of ‘us and thems’ on the planet.

Some religions instead compete with one another for the number 1 spot and some leaders teach their followers that any other religion but theirs is satanic thus creating prejudices and hate between religions. There have even been wars so deep has the prejudice and hatred become.

But does it have to be like this?

Outwardly the different religions have different customs and traditions but inwardly they all strive for a higher purpose.

What would be the harm if we prayed and meditated and visited each other’s places of worship? In my travels I’ve visited Hindu Temples, Christian Churches, Muslim Mosques, Jewish Synagogues and Buddhist Pagodas and I found they all believe in truth and goodness.

So why don’t the religionists visit and worship together and establish friendship and fellowship because they all teach love and unity?

My wife and I who are of a different Faith have been visiting our local Catholic Church and we have made so many friends. They are so welcoming and loving. I believe if each religion extends true friendship to the other religions the time will come when diversity of religion will cease and we will be as one family.

What do you think?

Religion necessarily does not create unity, rather it segregates people in to groups of "us" and them".

Are you allowed to partake of the sacraments in that church? However friendly they may be, you will always be an outsider unless you fully accept their version of god.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Religion necessarily does not create unity, rather it segregates people in to groups of "us" and them".

Are you allowed to partake of the sacraments in that church? However friendly they may be, you will always be an outsider unless you fully accept their version of god.
Speaking of sacraments, Baha'i aren't allowed to drink alcoholic beverages, so if the communion service was offered, and used wine, what would the Baha'i do? Plus, before communion the Baha'i would have to go do a confession. Baha'is don't confess their sins to priests. And, Baha'is believe in the "oneness" of religion. I like to point out that some religions had some pretty horrible beliefs and practices. So I think there is a limit to where even a Baha'i would go to be "one" with and friends with people in other religions. But, I understand what they are trying to say, most religious people believe in love and unity and should, therefore, love and be friends with each other. I wonder how many Christians out in some remote jungle wanted to be one with the people and Jesus with them, and were so happy when they got invited to dinner... then found out they were dinner. Oh, sorry Tony, I'm being negative again.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Speaking of sacraments, Baha'i aren't allowed to drink alcoholic beverages, so if the communion service was offered, and used wine, what would the Baha'i do? Plus, before communion the Baha'i would have to go do a confession. Baha'is don't confess their sins to priests. And, Baha'is believe in the "oneness" of religion. I like to point out that some religions had some pretty horrible beliefs and practices. So I think there is a limit to where even a Baha'i would go to be "one" with and friends with people in other religions. But, I understand what they are trying to say, most religious people believe in love and unity and should, therefore, love and be friends with each other. I wonder how many Christians out in some remote jungle wanted to be one with the people and Jesus with them, and were so happy when they got invited to dinner... then found out they were dinner. Oh, sorry Tony, I'm being negative again.

If the guys in the jungle could just get 10 people from 10 different religions to throw in that pot ... it would be rather unifying.
 

Bird123

Well-Known Member
What we can know, is not God, but all that the Messengers are.

Regards Tony


God is not using middlemen. God has placed all the knowledge around us. All the secrets of the universe stare us in the face. We were never meant for others to do it for us. Each person's journey is up to them.

God is knowable. On the other hand, how many are taking the effort. On the other hand, that's OK. That's not what this world is about.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
God is not using middlemen. God has placed all the knowledge around us. All the secrets of the universe stare us in the face. We were never meant for others to do it for us. Each person's journey is up to them.

God is knowable. On the other hand, how many are taking the effort. On the other hand, that's OK. That's not what this world is about.

I would ask what does one know of God?

Where is that knowledge sourced from?

Regards Tony
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
Leviticus 19:18 "You shall not take revenge and you shall not bear a grudge; you shall love your neighbor as yourself, I am God."

"... The three loves—love of G‑d, love of Torah and love of one's fellow—are one. One cannot differentiate between them, for they are of a single essence. And since they are of a single essence, each one embodies all three.... "

Jewish Unity
Do you realize you quoted a passage and site speaking about Jewish unity, not world unity?

Thus the greater challenge for the Jew in this age, is to come to terms with the possibility that G_d has also given other Messages to other people. They may have to consider all those that accept the Torah is given by G_d are also One.

Regards Tony
"Thus" implies that what you had been saying previously, leads into your following conclusion. But your conclusion here can't be derived from what you've said before. It's based on no Jewish sources.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Do you realize you quoted a passage and site speaking about Jewish unity, not world unity?

I see there is more in that passage than many Jews would like there to be.

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts neither are your ways my ways, says the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts." (Isa. 40:21-2)

"Thus" implies that what you had been saying previously, leads into your following conclusion. But your conclusion here can't be derived from what you've said before. It's based on no Jewish sources.

It is based on the Messiah, no less. I understand you do not agree.

"As God fills the whole world, so also the soul fills the whole body. As God sees, but cannot be seen, so also the soul sees, but cannot be seen. As God nourishes the whole world, so also the soul nourishes the whole body. As God is pure, so also the soul is pure. As God dwells in the inmost part of the Universe, so also the soul dwells in the inmost part of the body. (Berakot 10a)

Regards Tony
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
I see there is more in that passage than many Jews would like there to be.

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts neither are your ways my ways, says the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts." (Isa. 40:21-2)
It takes hubris of quite some size, to equate your thoughts with G-d's thoughts.

It is based on the Messiah, no less. I understand you do not agree.
How could I agree when the Messiah has not yet arrived to speak?

"As God fills the whole world, so also the soul fills the whole body. As God sees, but cannot be seen, so also the soul sees, but cannot be seen. As God nourishes the whole world, so also the soul nourishes the whole body. As God is pure, so also the soul is pure. As God dwells in the inmost part of the Universe, so also the soul dwells in the inmost part of the body. (Berakot 10a)

Regards Tony
You've quoted a passage in the Talmud describing the similarities between the soul and G-d. One thing I'll give you credit for, you sure know how to use those non-sequiturs.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
What high standards are you talking about, Adrian? Did he not curse people who did not believe in One God and his own ministry?

Then why did He encourage His followers to associate will ALL peoples in a spirit of love and fellowship? He did not teach hatred and distancing ourselves from those whose beliefs differ from our own.
 

Marcion

gopa of humanity's controversial Taraka Brahma
Are you allowed to partake of the sacraments in that church? However friendly they may be, you will always be an outsider unless you fully accept their version of god.
I think you are making an unfair charicature of why you cannot join in with any religious or spiritual practice by a group you don't (wish to) belong to.

Religious groups are divisive for other reasons, e.g. where they view outsiders purely negative as "non-believers" and where they further the idea that you are magically "saved" simply by converting to just that one religion (and to no other path).
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
He did not teach hatred and distancing ourselves from those whose beliefs differ from our own.
He did curse the non-believers and those who did not accept the new message from Allah (i.e., his ministry and what he said). If you think that is not true, I can find you the quotes.
I think you are making an unfair charicature of why you cannot join in with any religious or spiritual practice by a group you don't (wish to) belong to.
For what reason one should join in with a religious group or spiritual practice of another group to which one does not belong? I am a strong atheist, why should I go to a church? I think it will be quite silly to do so.
 
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Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
He did curse the non-believers and those who did not accept the new message from Allah (i.e., his ministry and what he said). If you think that is not true, I can find you the quotes.

You think He may have been having a bad day? You know.... got out of bed the wrong way?

Go ahead and quote Bahá’u’lláh cursing the non-believers. I’m all ears.:D
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Speaking of sacraments, Baha'i aren't allowed to drink alcoholic beverages, so if the communion service was offered, and used wine, what would the Baha'i do?
In a Catholic Church in a typical mass, it's only the priest and a few select people helping to carry out the mass who drink the wine. Most of the congregation only get the bread, except on certain special occasions.
 
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