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Would an omnipotent God ever do what He does not want to do?

Samantha Rinne

Samantha Rinne

Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
Look at this another way, omnipotence also includes the power to say "Restrict Power: Clairvoyance To 150 Mi Radius" and it becomes muted to that. If you have the ability to do anything then you can easily destroy things by accident, or be forced to act by others. So the first restriction of omnipotence is making sure stray thoughts don't have a huge effect, and the second is to not answer selfish requests unless they want to. After that, an omnipotent being probably has a playbook of certain prayers that are typically taboo (like say cat necromancy). I could pray all I want, "Please make my hurting kitty a zombie once it dies" but any real God would tell me that I'm gonna see her again, and trying to do that ended bad in Pet Sematary.
 
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PruePhillip

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Trailblazer said:
An omnipotent God can do anything, so that means that there is nothing in logic that would prevent an omnipotent God from doing something He does not want to do.

Would an omnipotent God ever do what He does not want to do?

The answers to choose from are yes, no, or maybe.
  • If you answer yes, explain why you think God would do what He does not want to do.
  • If you answer maybe, explain why you think God might do what He does not want to do.
  • If you answer no, explain why you God would never do what He does not want to do.
Thanks, Trailblazer
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The omnipotent God of the bible did not want to destroy His chosen people, the Jews.
Yet it says that this is what will happen with the coming of the Messiah. The Jews were
sent into exile, slavery or were killed. Until the time when the Gentile's time is "fulfilled."
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
Trailblazer said:
An omnipotent God can do anything, so that means that there is nothing in logic that would prevent an omnipotent God from doing something He does not want to do.

Would an omnipotent God ever do what He does not want to do?

The answers to choose from are yes, no, or maybe.
  • If you answer yes, explain why you think God would do what He does not want to do.
  • If you answer maybe, explain why you think God might do what He does not want to do.
  • If you answer no, explain why you God would never do what He does not want to do.
Thanks, Trailblazer
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"Want" doesnt seem like an attribute of God.
 
Samantha Rinne

Samantha Rinne

Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
firedragon said:
"Want" doesnt seem like an attribute of God.
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Then you're converting God into a law, where God only exists if he acts predictably and gives us what we want. Do this, do that, or I won't believe in you anymore.

Do you treat your friends this way?
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
Samantha Rinne said:
Then you're converting God into a law, where God only exists if he acts predictably and gives us what we want. Do this, do that, or I won't believe in you anymore.

Do you treat your friends this way?
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Very good. You have a lot of patience and do YOU treat your friends this way? :)

God doesnt have "Wants". "Wants" is a human attribute. God is beyond that.

Peace.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Trailblazer said:
Thanks for explaining that. These are good points.
God also cannot make mistakes because God is infallible.
As believers we believe them to be true through scriptures, but they are not accepted by atheists, as I am sure you know.
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I like that you brought out to us that God can Not make mistakes because God is infallible.
Yes, infallible and omnipotent are different. (God is Not omnipotent) .
...and yes, Not accepted by atheists because they (Like so many others) ignore God, or that God does Not exist.
Many say they are Not Godless, but they just have less God in their lives, or don't want the Eye of God in their life.
Since work or school does Not have much if anything about God, then God is also less real, or Not real to them.
Or, as one person said, ' God leaves me alone and I leave Him alone. '
Since they have stopped listening to God and His word (His written record) their spiritual life has died off.
Unlike with Scripture, some just use the ever-changing-with-the-times self-help books.
Some of course just go through the motions to keep up appearances (or what they consider to be the fun parts ).
In Scripture, the infallible God wants Earth to become a beautiful paradisical Earth as Eden started out.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
blü 2 said:
But then, to underline the point, you're also omnipresent: not only did you perfectly foresee everything that will ever happen but right now you're there watching it happen, whatever, wherever, whenever it is, on whichever of the septillions of planets in the universe, whether they have life or not, whether they're interesting or not.
What it really means is the deists nailed it ─ once God had made the universe, [he] was in every sense functus officio.
The whole dang omni shtick comes at a price ...
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However, the God of the Bible is Not omnipresent because God has a home address location - 1 Kings 8:39,49.
God's home address is the heavens of heavens - 1 Kings 8:27,30 - however No ZIP code listed.
So, No omni shtick at any price.
Since God granted us voluntary free-will choices then God does Not foresee everything.
Please notice God does Not give us the number of people at Revelation 7:9 who come through the great tribulation of Revelation 7:14.
This is an unknown number because we are all free to act responsibly toward God and repent if we wish.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Trailblazer said:
The reason I said it comes at a price for humans is because an omnipotent God can do anything to humans, such as wiping them all out in a nanosecond, if He wants to. Imo, the only reason God has not done that is because God loves us and God is merciful, not because we are worthy of keeping around.
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I find God does Not have to be omnipotent to accomplish His will, His purpose for Earth and us.
When you mentioned about ' do anything to humans ' I thought of what planet Earth seems to now be doing to us.
Seems with all the abuse corrupted mankind has inflicted upon Earth that now Earth has declared War on Mankind.
Earth is trying to use extreme weather conditions, weather phenomenon to rid Earth of such pesky corrupted humans.
Yes, agree God is merciful, and that is why only the wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7
Humble meek people will inherit the Earth once the wicked are gone. Earth is resilient and will bounce back.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
PruePhillip said:
The omnipotent God of the bible did not want to destroy His chosen people, the Jews.
Yet it says that this is what will happen with the coming of the Messiah.
The Jews were sent into exile, slavery or were killed. Until the time when the Gentile's time is "fulfilled."
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However, I find there is No omnipotent God of the Bible because an omnipotent God can do anything.
Scripture teaches that God can Not do just anything because God can Not lie - Titus 1:2; Hebrews 6:18.
I can't find with the coming of Messiah (Matthew 25:31-33) anything about what you said above.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
URAVIP2ME said:
I like that you brought out to us that God can Not make mistakes because God is infallible.
Yes, infallible and omnipotent are different. (God is Not omnipotent) .
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Why don't you think God is omnipotent?
URAVIP2ME said:
...and yes, Not accepted by atheists because they (Like so many others) ignore God, or that God does Not exist.
Many say they are Not Godless, but they just have less God in their lives, or don't want the Eye of God in their life.
Since work or school does Not have much if anything about God, then God is also less real, or Not real to them.
Or, as one person said, ' God leaves me alone and I leave Him alone. '
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God will leave them alone if they leave Him alone.
URAVIP2ME said:
Since they have stopped listening to God and His word (His written record) their spiritual life has died off.
Unlike with Scripture, some just use the ever-changing-with-the-times self-help books.
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Those books are not going to help anyone. Only God can help them, Imo.
URAVIP2ME said:
Some of course just go through the motions to keep up appearances (or what they consider to be the fun parts ).
In Scripture, the infallible God wants Earth to become a beautiful paradisical Earth as Eden started out.
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I do not believe this world will ever be a paradise like Eden but I believe it will be a lot better than it is now in the future. I believe that paradise will be found in heaven, for those who loved God.
 
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PruePhillip

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URAVIP2ME said:
However, I find there is No omnipotent God of the Bible because an omnipotent God can do anything.
Scripture teaches that God can Not do just anything because God can Not lie - Titus 1:2; Hebrews 6:18.
I can't find with the coming of Messiah (Matthew 25:31-33) anything about what you said above.
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Jacob (ca 2000 BC) said there will be a Hebrew nation and it will have a monarchy
through his son Judah. But this will all end with the coming of the Messiah.
David and Isaiah give quite poignant accounts of the suffering and dying of the Messiah.
Daniel says that Rome will destroy the temple, Jerusalem and the Messiah.
 
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PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
Trailblazer said:
And then what do you think will happen?
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Who knows. And I hate people interpreting the bible to make it look as though
something is about to happen.
But... Jerusalem was finally in Jewish hands in 1967 after the Six Day War.
This period was the age of the moral upheaval in the West - wonder if the
events are coincidental?
Whatever... the threat to the Gentiles is as menacing as the one to the Jews.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
URAVIP2ME said:
I find God does Not have to be omnipotent to accomplish His will, His purpose for Earth and us.
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Maybe God does not have to be omnipotent, but God is either omnipotent or not. Why don't you think He is? Doesn't the Bible say God is omnipotent?
URAVIP2ME said:
When you mentioned about ' do anything to humans ' I thought of what planet Earth seems to now be doing to us.
Seems with all the abuse corrupted mankind has inflicted upon Earth that now Earth has declared War on Mankind.
Earth is trying to use extreme weather conditions, weather phenomenon to rid Earth of such pesky corrupted humans.
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I believe that humans have done this to themselves but I also believe God has something to do with what is now happening with the weather and such.... I believe it is punishment for our disobedience.
URAVIP2ME said:
Yes, agree God is merciful, and that is why only the wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7
Humble meek people will inherit the Earth once the wicked are gone. Earth is resilient and will bounce back.
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I do not believe anyone will be destroyed forever. I believe that evil souls will continue to exist in the spiritual world but they will be far from good souls so they won't be able to hurt anyone anymore. I believe that even evil souls can be helped by the mercy of God and prayers of others eventually, but only if they want help.

I believe that humans will build the Kingdom of God on earth as it is in heaven and that will take a long time. I believe that eventually the wicked will be changed into good, after everyone knows God, as promised:

Jeremiah 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Isaiah 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.
 
Pudding

Pudding

Well-Known Member
Trailblazer said:
An omnipotent God can do anything, so that means that there is nothing in logic that would prevent an omnipotent God from doing something He does not want to do.
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That's a rather confusing statement. What do you actually mean? You mean: "An omnipotent God have the power/ability to do anything, so that means that he does what he does not want to do."?

You believe that?
 
Skwim

Skwim

Veteran Member
Trailblazer said:
An omnipotent God can do anything, so that means that there is nothing in logic that would prevent an omnipotent God from doing something He does not want to do.
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Sure. He may not have wanted to saddle all of humanity with original sin, but something compelled him to do it anyway. Although . . . . considering that god is omniscient he would have known that the humanity he was about to create would deserve to be saddled with original sin, and because that's exactly what he wanted he went ahead with his plan and created A&E. Or has my logic gone askew here?

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Bird123

Bird123

Well-Known Member
Trailblazer said:
An omnipotent God can do anything, so that means that there is nothing in logic that would prevent an omnipotent God from doing something He does not want to do.

Would an omnipotent God ever do what He does not want to do?

The answers to choose from are yes, no, or maybe.
  • If you answer yes, explain why you think God would do what He does not want to do.
  • If you answer maybe, explain why you think God might do what He does not want to do.
  • If you answer no, explain why you God would never do what He does not want to do.
Thanks, Trailblazer
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If there is something God does not want to do, God will never do it. Why not? It would not be an intelligent thing to do.

AS we learn and grow on our journey to perfection, we will Discover what the best choices really are. Many choices will no longer be viable choices for us simply because we Understand these are not the best choices. One might be free to make a choice other than the best choice, however why would we? God is already there making all the best choices.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Pudding said:
That's a rather confusing statement. What do you actually mean? You mean: "An omnipotent God can do anything, so that means that he does what he does not want to do."?

You believe that?
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No, I do not believe that because human logic does not determine what God will or will not do. ONLY God determines what God will do.

I do not believe that God does anything God does not want to do.
 
Pudding

Pudding

Well-Known Member
Trailblazer said:
An omnipotent God can do anything, so that means that there is nothing in logic that would prevent an omnipotent God from doing something He does not want to do.
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You believe "there is nothing in logic that would prevent an omnipotent God from doing something He does not want to do"?

Trailblazer said:
No, I do not believe that because human logic does not determine what God will or will not do. ONLY God determines what God will do.

I do not believe that God does anything God does not want to do.
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Please clarify, what does you mean by "there is nothing in logic that would prevent an omnipotent God from doing something He does not want to do", thank you.
 
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