McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Perhaps.
But I suspect there will be several more "revealed".
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Life in the universe. Does it only exist on earth.
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But I suspect there will be several more "revealed".
One possibility of the Fermi paradox is that life and intelligent life do arise, and possibly frequently, but there is some barrier that intelligent life has difficulty crossing. This barrier may eliminate intelligence and be the reason we are not hearing from any.
My love of speculative fiction drives the hope that one day webwill, but sadly, I doubt I will be around by that point. I do hope people still are.
At least not likely solvable in our lifetimes.
Among the possibilities regarding our lack of evidence for intelligent life are: we are some of the earliest. Even at this age of the universe it is possible we are among the first. There just isn't anyone or at least very many to talk to.
Another possibility is that we are late to the game and earlier intelligent life is hunkered down and quiet or eliminated due to conflict.
Another possibility is that we are late to the game and earlier intelligent life is hunkered down and quiet or eliminated due to conflict.
We might just do away with several religions?
Fine by me as long as they are not anchored to the past or to some set notion that just keeps us as slaves to such or just creates frictions.
Fine by me as long as they are not anchored to the past or to some set notion that just keeps us as slaves to such or just creates frictions.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Actually, yes I do. I feel it's very self centered to think of our selves being the center of the universe. It's a political and religious standpoint I disagree with.
As for god, that's one of the main reasons I can't see its existence to make sense of creation...as if god exist, it would make no sense that the Earth is his sole interest.
I'm open to life on other planets.
Given the size and age of the universe, I think it's arrogant to assume that we are the only planet with life.
I'm not saying that such life in any way resembles what we see here, or if it's intelligent relative to that on earth, but to think that no planets in the universe that contain at least some single celled organisms is a silly notion.
Non science, non religious answer, but one based on statistical practicality. If there is no other life in the universe then it seems an awful waste of space.
Now a quick sciency answer. Entropy predicts that during the life of the universe a relitively short (in universal terms) segment of time will favour life. Given the possible number of habitable planet's the chances are high that some sort of life has evolved on them just as it has on earth
Audie
Veteran Member
Eithrr way, life being unique to esrth seems very unlikely.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
1. anything that can not be seen or tested I have no reason to make assumptions about its existence.
2. See number one
Dave Watchman
Active Member
No.
I vote no.
No life anywhere else in the universe.
If he looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, you found him.
I'm your huckleberry.
The duck test is a form of abductive reasoning.
The test implies that a person can identify an unknown subject by observing that subject's habitual characteristics.
Asking if there's life on other planets is like asking if there's another Lucifer, another group of fallen angels.
God is doing something here.
God is here.
God is 3.5 minutes away.
Ultimately, when the sin problem is eradicated, God will dwell here on the Earth with man.
And He will be our God and we will be His people.
"And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God.
"He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.” - Revelation 21:3-4
"He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.” - Revelation 21:3-4
I think it's important to realize that the ability to manipulate aspects of the environment is not necessarily correlated with intelligence. Cetaceans and elephants display considerable intelligence, as do the corvids, but are limited in their ability to manipulate their environment.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Totally agree. It's more likely though that there are many magnitudes more than trillions of planets, since the current estimate of stars alone is 20 sixtillion, and as the exo-planet research is showing more and more that many stars have multiple planets, so the number is probably higher than the number of stars, I think.
Somehow, it would be a kind of waste to have that huge universe and only life on one single planet.
Absolutely.
Yup, and why would God create so many stars and planets that we can never get to and many we can't even see only for the purpose of being empty? It doesn't make sense to have them void and empty. It would make sense he/she/it made them all to be full of life
I'm an optimist, like you, about it. I do believe there's life out there.
Did you hear they found another Earth like planet only 4 light years away in the Proxima Centauri system?
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Here's something that's kind'a strange with the Drake equation. First, life in the universe isn't the same as life in our galaxy. The possibility of life in the universe is different and is the usual question that comes up, while the equation is only about life in our galaxy. Secondly, the product is supposed to be the civilizations we can communicate with, well, the galaxy is some 75-100,000 light years wide, if I'm not mistaken. Which means it would take 100,000 years for us to know if there's life communicating with us right now on the other side of the galaxy. The time and size isn't part of the equation, which is really should be, if the answer has to do with what we can communicate with.I think it's inevitable that there's life elsewhere. Whether or not we'll manage to communicate with intelligent life elsewhere is a different question and the Drake equation is designed to conceptualize that:
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
That's how I see it. I consider myself a pantheist and think of God and Nature as one, that means I can believe in God and Naturalism equally.
Heyo
Veteran Member
The interesting factor isn't intelligence (fi) but communication (fc) or rather detectability. An alien civilization doesn't have to send radio waves in our direction to be detected. But we can assume that highly technological civilization would transform their environment in a detectable way, e.g. with a Dyson Sphere. We haven't detected one so far. I.e. we can say hat there is no advanced civilization in our vicinity at the time.
As for simple life, the next generation of telescopes will be able to make spectral analyses of the atmospheres of exo-planets (if they have any). I.e. we could detect bio markers like ozone or methane. So, in a decade or so we will know if there is life on a planet outside our solar system.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I agree, but if you read my post it specified an intelligent life leaving evidence of its intelligence. In fact it acknowledges the possibility that you brought up:
". That is why I used a bit of a qualifier in my post. I did not want to claim that we were the only intelligent life form ever on Earth. We may be. Or we may find that intelligence has existed several times. But right now we do not know of any others."
We Never Know
No Slack
Do you assume the existence of dark energy and dark matter? Neither one can be seen or tested.
However there are things that make us think they exist like certain effects on galaxies and gravity, but that could also be a giant invisible pink unicorn.