Life in the universe. Does it only exist on earth.

Subduction Zone · Jan 19, 2020

We Never Know said:
No trolling here brother. You were asked legitimate questions. Answer or move on. Your reply is very trollish

When you use strawman arguemts or purposefully misunderstand posts that looks trollish. You had a nic thread going here. Why mess it up?

If you gave your question a little serious thought you would see why the answer is "no".

We Never Know · Jan 19, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
When you use strawman arguemts or purposefully misunderstand posts that looks trollish. You had a nic thread going here. Why mess it up?

If you gave your question a little serious thought you would see why the answer is "no".

There we go. Here comes the troll. Your usual of your question was formed wrong, not asked proper, wasn't polite, etc.

MODS PLEASE REMOVE THIS TROLL FROM MY THREAD. AND THANK YOU.

We Never Know · Jan 19, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
When you use strawman arguemts or purposefully misunderstand posts that looks trollish. You had a nic thread going here. Why mess it up?

If you gave your question a little serious thought you would see why the answer is "no".

Here's a hint. You are the only one causing trouble, or accusing others of things on this thread. Let that sink in.

Edit.
And so we are clear, this is the second page and no one else has accused anyone of anything but you.

Edit 2
Subduction zone you shine when it comes to attacking people that believe in god. IMO you should stick to that because it gives you some purpose in your mind.

Subduction Zone · Jan 19, 2020

We Never Know said:
There we go. Here comes the troll. Your usual of your question was formed wrong, not asked proper, wasn't polite, etc.

MODS PLEASE REMOVE THIS TROLL FROM MY THREAD. AND THANK YOU.

Please, you have a history of trolling and being over sensitive when called out on it. Have fun with your thread.

We Never Know · Jan 19, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
Please, you have a history of trolling and being over sensitive when called out on it. Have fun with your thread.

Your ego Is your down fall and we don't have a history. And again you're right back to accusing. Very sad.

We Never Know · Jan 19, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
Please, you have a history of trolling and being over sensitive when called out on it. Have fun with your thread.

I'm sure it will be more fun and interesting when you leave.

We Never Know · Jan 19, 2020

Mestemia said:
Seems to me with the size of the universe and the length of time it has been here, that it is quite possible that we are not the only life.

I agree. We think we know much but on a universal scale, we know very little.

We Never Know · Jan 19, 2020

Mestemia said:
One of my fathers coven members believes that god and mother nature had a fling and that humans are the result.

I had never heard that before. I don't feel the same but thanks for sharing.

We Never Know · Jan 19, 2020

Galateasdream said:
Hmmmmmm ... Don't know.

Life is a tricky word, as is universe. Are we including God, if s/he exists? Or angels, spirits, ghosts etc. And by universe, are we thinking observable universe or a potential multiverse etc.

If we are including everything, then since I believe in God I'm going to say that life isn't restricted to earth. If we allow inclusion of a multiverse, then again since I think such is likely to be the case, it's inconceivable in a multiverse that life is restricted to earth.

However, if we limit ourselves to just our observable universe then it becomes much less clear. I've read books by Simon Conway-Morris and Paul Davies who argue that the goldilocks conditions required for life, and most especially human-like intelligent life, to originate and evolve are so astronomically rare that even the universe's vast size is no guarantee that there's any other life out there. Indeed, to both it seemed like we are probably the only intelligent life in the universe.

The Fermi paradox might also give one pause (or it does me!).

So, if we mean any kind of life anywhere in a multiverse - I think lots and lots and lots of life. If we mean intelligent life in our observable universe, I'm agnostic and don't know.

Would other life be the same as us? If it was different would we be able to recognize it in its early state?

We Never Know · Jan 19, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
Now now, don't troll your own threads.

You said and I quote ". I would say that stone tools alone are evidence of intelligence"

I ask again when an otter uses a stone as a tool to crack open a muscle, does that make the other intelligent?

It's a simple and straight forward question to your response.

Galateasdream · Jan 19, 2020

We Never Know said:
Would other life be the same as us? If it was different would we be able to recognize it in its early state?

Well, as a total non-expert I'm going to say that I think we'll definitely know biological intelligent life when/if we encounter it (spiritual or synthetic might be trickier).

But very Primitve life forms ... Probably. But it's going to be trickier. Guess we'll wait and see

Mock Turtle · Jan 19, 2020

We Never Know said:
Many accept nature created the universe, the stars, the planet's, life, etc

Many think god created the universe, the stars, the planet's, life, etc.

What if nature and god are synonymous?
What if nature is god, god is nature?

What then?

We might just do away with several religions?

Along with many others no doubt, I think it highly unlikely that Earth hosts the only lifeforms, but I'm not sure about intelligent life and that being much more advanced than us. I think it is likely though, given the age of the universe and the propensity for planets to exist around most stars.

Dan From Smithville · Jan 19, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
It would have to be detectable to us. I cannot say anything about aliens observing the Earth over its history.

And I would say that we have been intelligent even before Homo Sapiens. But we have not left any sign of it until more recently. I would say that stone tools alone are evidence of intelligence but it would take quite the search to find those if one did not live here. There could have been intelligent dinosaurs. Though brain size may argue against this. That is why I used a bit of a qualifier in my post. I did not want to claim that we were the only intelligent life form ever on Earth. We may be. Or we may find that intelligence has existed several times. But right now we do not know of any others.

The quantity of stone tools estimated to exist in Africa is astounding. Some assemblages date back two million years and are sound evidence for intelligence in our ancestors.

We Never Know · Jan 19, 2020

Galateasdream said:
Well, as a total non-expert I'm going to say that I think we'll definitely know biological intelligent life when/if we encounter it (spiritual or synthetic might be trickier).

But very Primitve life forms ... Probably. But it's going to be trickier. Guess we'll wait and see

All we know is carbon based life and it's what we look for being it's all we know. We don't know what else to look for. Is there any different life out there besides carbon based? I don't know. But I can't rule it out.

Dan From Smithville · Jan 19, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
Please, you have a history of trolling and being over sensitive when called out on it. Have fun with your thread.

I had some other thoughts, but never mind.

We Never Know · Jan 19, 2020

Mock Turtle said:
We might just do away with several religions?

Along with many others no doubt, I think it highly unlikely that Earth hosts the only lifeforms, but I'm not sure about intelligent life and that being much more advanced than us. I think it is likely though, given the age of the universe and the propensity for planets to exist around most stars.

I'm with you, I don't know.

But one thing for sure is....

Many accept nature created the universe, the stars, the planet's, life, etc

Many think god created the universe, the stars, the planet's, life, etc.

They all believe (nature or god) brought it all forth, they just believe it was brought forth by something different. .

Galateasdream · Jan 19, 2020

We Never Know said:
All we know is carbon based life and it's what we look for being it's all we know. We don't know what else to look for. Is there any different life out there besides carbon based? I don't know. But I can't rule it out.

Broadly.

But I think we can recognise signs of intelligence (artifices, maths, langauge etc), so long as it is remotely like us, even if that intelligence is not carbon-based, or even biological, or even material ...

We Never Know · Jan 19, 2020

Dan From Smithville said:
I had some other thoughts, but never mind.

Dude I've hardly had any interreaction with you but here you chime in, and with no suprise, you chime in with subduction zone.

As i stated earlier, I spent several hours today just reading posts and replies to posts, etc. One thing I did notice is that you and subduction zone like each others posts more than any other couple here.

But then again I'm am just of one.

Mock Turtle · Jan 19, 2020

We Never Know said:
I'm with you, I don't know.

But one thing for sure is....

Many accept nature created the universe, the stars, the planet's, life, etc

Many think god created the universe, the stars, the planet's, life, etc.

They all believe (nature or god) brought it all forth, they just believe it was brought forth by something different. .

Well I have a (slightly) open mind concerning any creative force (nature), thus would not describe myself as a complete atheist, but I'm more in the - we just don't know so should leave this question for now - school of thought, or thoughtlessness.

McBell · Jan 19, 2020

We Never Know said:
I see. Then an otter that uses a rock(stone tool) to break open a muscle is intelligent right?

Yes

We Never Know said:
If we can't detect it, does that mean it doesn't exist?

Of course not.
But it does mean we can not count it.

We Never Know said:
Earth is billions of years behind billions of planets, meaning we are billions of years behind any life, if life formed on them.

No idea what this even means.
A planet could be billions of years older than Earth and not have had life start on it until yesterday.
A billion year old planet could have had life start on it half a billion years ago and said life not made it past the single cell stage.
A 250 million year old planet could have life that started 100,000 who have evolved way past us.

How do you measure life?
How do you measure intelligence?

We are carbon based life.
How would you measure say, silicon based life?
How would you compare carbon based to silicon base in a meaningful way?

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