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Would an omnipotent God ever do what He does not want to do?

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
If this is your view then I think we can agree on a lot of things. But not all things which is okay as well.

Without contrast this world would be a single shade of beige and as long as we are civil we can live our lives. :)
I like your religion even though I never heard of it...
People still say they never heard of my religion either so we have that in common.
I do not need or want to agree on everything because then I could never learn anything. ;)

True, without contrast, this world would be really boring. Unity in diversity means we can get along with each other in spite of our differences. That is one of the main principles of my religion: BEAUTY AND HARMONY IN DIVERSITY
 

Iymus

Active Member
An omnipotent God can do anything, so that means that there is nothing in logic that would prevent an omnipotent God from doing something He does not want to do.

Would an omnipotent God ever do what He does not want to do?

The answers to choose from are yes, no, or maybe.
  • If you answer yes, explain why you think God would do what He does not want to do.
  • If you answer maybe, explain why you think God might do what He does not want to do.
  • If you answer no, explain why you God would never do what He does not want to do.
Thanks, Trailblazer

I believe omnipotent or all powerful encompasses all knowing; So an omnipotent God, would not do what he does not want to do, whether it deals with rewards or punishment; Because his actions would be of thought and wisdom.
 

Aman Uensis

Member
I like your religion even though I never heard of it...
People still say they never heard of my religion either so we have that in common.
I do not need or want to agree on everything because then I could never learn anything. ;)

True, without contrast, this world would be really boring. Unity in diversity means we can get along with each other in spite of our differences. That is one of the main principles of my religion: BEAUTY AND HARMONY IN DIVERSITY

The truest thing I've heard in a long time. Very well said.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
I believe omnipotent or all powerful encompasses all knowing; So an omnipotent God, would not do what he does not want to do, whether it deals with rewards or punishment; Because his actions would be of thought and wisdom.
I agree. It makes no sense that God would do what He does not want to do.
I mean, even if God cut us a break, it would be because he wanted to and for good reasons.
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
True, God allows humans to use their free will, but my question was whether God would ever do anything He does not want to do. I guess God could not go against His own Will, but He could go against His wants.

Sorry, I didn't expound on my statement. I think God would then warn those not following him due to their free will. Where it becomes something he does not wan to do is when the person or persons continue to not heed his warning and continue to do that which is against his wishes.

It may be end up as something big if they keep violating it and continue to go against him. Then, he may not just warn them, but cause them to have an accident or some other negative incident where things do not go their way. I don't think a loving God would want to punish his creation just like parents do not want to punish their children. It's just that sometimes, they have to put their foot down, warn, and then follow through with their punishment.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Sorry, I didn't expound on my statement. I think God would then warn those not following him due to their free will. Where it becomes something he does not wan to do is when the person or persons continue to not heed his warning and continue to do that which is against his wishes.

It may be end up as something big if they keep violating it and continue to go against him. Then, he may not just warn them, but cause them to have an accident or some other negative incident where things do not go their way. I don't think a loving God would want to punish his creation just like parents do not want to punish their children. It's just that sometimes, they have to put their foot down, warn, and then follow through with their punishment.
Thanks, I understand your perspective. I never thought of it this way, but it could be that God might have to do something He does not want to do, as parents sometimes do, but it would be for human's own good.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I agree. It makes no sense that God would do what He does not want to do.
I mean, even if God cut us a break, it would be because he wanted to and for good reasons.
I find the God of the Bible is Not omnipotent because the God of the Bible can Not lie - Titus 1:2; Hebrews 6:18
 

InChrist

Free4ever
An omnipotent God can do anything, so that means that there is nothing in logic that would prevent an omnipotent God from doing something He does not want to do.

Would an omnipotent God ever do what He does not want to do?

The answers to choose from are yes, no, or maybe.
  • If you answer yes, explain why you think God would do what He does not want to do.
  • If you answer maybe, explain why you think God might do what He does not want to do.
  • If you answer no, explain why you God would never do what He does not want to do.
Thanks, Trailblazer
My answer is yes, an omnipotent God may at times at least allow something He does not desire in order to accomplish something which has a higher priority.
The scriptures state that God is not willing that anyone should perish, but desires that all come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9). Yet, just as clearly the scriptures show not all do repent, many refuse and perish. I believe, although God desires all to turn from sin and find freedom and love in an eternal relationship with Himself a greater desire and aspect of God’s will is that each person exercise this choice freely. Freedom is of utmost importance to God because God is Love. Love must be accepted freely.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
You mean because God is not married He can do what He likes?
My husband is married and he only does what he likes to do.

All God has to do is look down here and that would be all the entertainment He would ever need.
Think about it.... This world is like ID TV on steroids. :eek::eek::eek:
But he's seen it all before ─ it only ever does exactly what he's known for 14 bn years it was always going to do.

Omniscience comes at a price ...
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
My answer is yes, an omnipotent God may at times at least allow something He does not desire in order to accomplish something which has a higher priority.
The scriptures state that God is not willing that anyone should perish, but desires that all come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9). Yet, just as clearly the scriptures show not all do repent, many refuse and perish. I believe, although God desires all to turn from sin and find freedom and love in an eternal relationship with Himself a greater desire and aspect of God’s will is that each person exercise this choice freely. Freedom is of utmost importance to God because God is Love. Love must be accepted freely.
I agree that God allows us to do what He does not desire, but how is that God doing what He does not want to do?
Are you saying that God does not want to allow that but God allows it anyway?
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
But he's seen it all before ─ it only ever does exactly what he's known for 14 bn years it was always going to do.

Omniscience comes at a price ...
Yes indeed, God must be bored with this movie that has been running over and over and over again for that many years. God might get so bored that He decides to run another movie. :eek:

Omnipotence comes at a price, for humans. ;)
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I don't understand what you mean.
To me omnipotent means: that God can do anything.
I find at Titus 1:2 and Hebrews 6:18 there are things that God can Not do.
For example: God can Not lie meaning that God is Not capable of telling any lies.
Whereas, omnipotent means un-limited power or all powerful.
Besides that God can Not lie, God also does Not steal, cheat, be wrong, be untrustworthy, or make us obey Him.
 

Samantha Rinne

Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
An omnipotent God can do anything, so that means that there is nothing in logic that would prevent an omnipotent God from doing something He does not want to do.

Would an omnipotent God ever do what He does not want to do?

The answers to choose from are yes, no, or maybe.
  • If you answer yes, explain why you think God would do what He does not want to do.
  • If you answer maybe, explain why you think God might do what He does not want to do.
  • If you answer no, explain why you God would never do what He does not want to do.
Thanks, Trailblazer

Alright, let's ask a question then.

You're a physicist, and fully capable of building a nuclear bomb.

However, you happen to know that this bomb is being sold to terrorists, who definitely will use it immediately to kill thousands or millions. You are fully capable of building the bomb, but if you refuse, you lose your job someone else will. You are in a position where your abilities have made you able to do something that you do not want to do. What do you do? Well, you can do it anyway, and take pride in your work, you can decide to quit or explain to the boss why you won't do it, or you can create a convincing dud.

Omnipotent is about what you can do being unlimited. Morality is what you should do. Free will is about what you want to do.

You know where we got the idea that God is omnipotent? It's not really Biblical. God is often stopped by his people's lack of faith (see: chariots of iron).

The word omnipotent is mainly from popular songs, some of which I hate because they spread the "peace in our time" philosophy that helped appease people like Hitler and Stalin.


God's true power comes from kindness, not from show of force. In fact, omnipotence is a problematic (and unncessary) teaching that really does the church no good. We have this idea from Epicurus.

  1. Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
  2. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
  3. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
  4. Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

Addressing Epicurus' quote about God willing to prevent evil | CARM.org

The problems with Epicurus' statements are as follows.
  1. Evil is not defined. Therefore, the assessment of the statements cannot be validated.
  2. If evil were defined, what would justify the definition as being the right one?
  3. Epicurus presupposes a moral absolute that if God can prevent evil, then he should. But how is such a moral absolute justified as being true?
  4. The problem of how much evil (all, most, some) ought to be prevented is not addressed.
  5. The problem of preventing evil thoughts and intentions with its implication of denying free will is also not addressed.
The thing is, if we abandoned that word and simply stuck to the following descriptions:
  1. Immortal
  2. Invisible
  3. Eternal
  4. Loving
  5. Just
then we are far closer to a real picture of God. You'll notice "perfect" wasn't on there.

 
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Trailblazer

Veteran Member
To me omnipotent means: that God can do anything.
I find at Titus 1:2 and Hebrews 6:18 there are things that God can Not do.
For example: God can Not lie meaning that God is Not capable of telling any lies.
Whereas, omnipotent means un-limited power or all powerful.
Besides that God can Not lie, God also does Not steal, cheat, be wrong, be untrustworthy, or make us obey Him.
Thanks for explaining that. These are good points.
God also cannot make mistakes because God is infallible.
As believers we believe them to be true through scriptures, but they are not accepted by atheists, as I am sure you know.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
I wonder since we have voluntary free-will choices if that can be considered at a price for humans _______
The reason I said it comes at a price for humans is because an omnipotent God can do anything to humans, such as wiping them all out in a nanosecond, if He wants to. Imo, the only reason God has not done that is because God loves usand God is merciful, not because we are worthy of keeping around.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Yes indeed, God must be bored with this movie that has been running over and over and over again for that many years. God might get so bored that He decides to run another movie. :eek:
Look at it this way. You're omnipotent and omniscient. You're going to make a universe. So before you make it, ou get clear in your mind everything that's ever going to happen, each change of state of each atom, the relationship at any instant of each atom to every other atom, the things assembled from those atoms, the coming of stars, heavy elements, planets, abiogenesis, evolution, H sap sap in their billions, everything they'll every be, think, say, do, or relate to. Not only have you always known this but accordingly you've edited it to your taste, so can happen except what you wanted (the OP again) ─ and being perfect, you'll never have to change your mind.

But then, to underline the point, you're also omnipresent: not only did you perfectly foresee everything that will ever happen but right now you're there watching it happen, whatever, wherever, whenever it is, on whichever of the septillions of planets in the universe, whether they have life or not, whether they're interesting or not.

What it really means is the deists nailed it ─ once God had made the universe, [he] was in every sense functus officio.
Omnipotence comes at a price, for humans. ;)
The whole dang omni shtick comes at a price ...
 
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