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On Opium and Religion

Do you agree with Marx's statement?

  • Yes

    Votes: 6 50.0%
  • No

    Votes: 4 33.3%
  • I'm not sure

    Votes: 1 8.3%
  • Only partly (please specifiy)

    Votes: 1 8.3%

  • Total voters
    12

Woberts

The Perfumed Seneschal
Marx said this about religion: " Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people"
This is often paraphrased as "Religion is the opium of the people."

This is often taken to mean that religion was (and is) used by the bourgeoise as a blindfold of sorts. "Who cares about this life when you'll go to heaven!" That sort of thing.

Would you agree with this sentiment?
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
No not agree.

Because what you do today affect what happens tomorrow, meaning if one just dont care how one live and act, speak and think there will be no Paradise/Heaven/Nirvana to enter, only those who are pure in heart and mind can enter
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Marx said this about religion: " Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people"
This is often paraphrased as "Religion is the opium of the people."

This is often taken to mean that religion was (and is) used by the bourgeoise as a blindfold of sorts. "Who cares about this life when you'll go to heaven!" That sort of thing.

Would you agree with this sentiment?

It seems probable that he was not referring to all
religions in all places and times.

The society of his time and place was highly stratified.

That he saw and was concerned about the plight of
the ordinary workers is certainly to his credit.
Far more, than any credit goes to the capitalists of
the day. They were little better than slave holders.

Christianity was the religion of the day and place.
Christianity is well suited to the structure of a
stratified society.

The "masses" are taught that God loves them,
and that they will have their reward in the
next life. This life is crap, dont expect better.
The more you suffer meekly, the better off
you will be later on.

AND, God says to obey the rulers

Black slaves in the USA were taught
to be Christians. "you will go where
the good darkies go, if you are good."

Of COURSE it was the opiate of the masses.
Hardly need to be a seer to see that.
 
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Woberts

The Perfumed Seneschal
It seems probable that he was not referring to all
religions in all places and times.

The society of his time and place was highly stratified.

That he saw and was concerned about the plight of
the ordinary workers is certainly to his credit.
Far more, than any credit goes to the capitalists of
the day. They were little better than slave holders.

Christianity was the religion of the day and place.
Christianity is well suited to the structure of a
stratified society.

The "masses" are taught that God loves them,
and that they will have their reward in the
next life. This life is crap, dont expect better.
The more you suffer meekly, the better off
you will be later on.

AND, God says to obey the rulers

Black slaves in the USA were taught
to be Christians. "you will go where
the good darkies go, if you are good."

Of COURSE it was the opiate of the masses.
Hardly need to be a seer to see that.
Oh, I know that he was talking more about religion during his time.
I didn't want to write a complete analysis of the quote, I just wanted to add a little background.:D
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Oh, I know that he was talking more about religion during his time.
I didn't want to write a complete analysis of the quote, I just wanted to add a little background.:D

I AM A BIGTIME COMMIE


Of course you knew that he referred to the religion of the time.

"the time", though, is not exactly and entirely over.
The type of religiosity that appeals to the poor and
hopeless still functions as Marx said.

If you wanna add background lets hear it.
 

Woberts

The Perfumed Seneschal
If you wanna add background lets hear it.
I was talking about my OP. I didn't want to write a 4 page paper about Marx's views on religion, I just wanted to add a short little blurb. A refresher, if you will.
"the time", though, is not exactly and entirely over.
The type of religiosity that appeals to the poor and
hopeless still functions as Marx said.
Well said. I think that religion now has a few key differences from religion as it was then. For example, the sex abuse scandals in the Catholic church would be practically unthinkable a short while ago.
 
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Audie

Veteran Member
I was talking about my OP. I didn't want to write a 4 page paper about Marx's views on religion, I just wanted to add a short little blurb. A refresher, if you will.

Well said. I think that religion now has a few key differences from religion as it was then. For example, the sex abuse scandals in the Catholic church would be practically unthinkable a short while ago.[/QUOTE]

Not so many on a shortcut to heaven via the
bomb-vest, either.

If, btw, you have never read "Elmer Gantry"
by all means do so.

Apparently, it was scandalous at the time to
even suggest that not all preachers were
pure and holy.

Now, it is interesting to see how what is so
obvious today was hidden and denied then.
 

wandering peacefully

Which way to the woods?
Marx said this about religion: " Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people"
This is often paraphrased as "Religion is the opium of the people."

This is often taken to mean that religion was (and is) used by the bourgeoise as a blindfold of sorts. "Who cares about this life when you'll go to heaven!" That sort of thing.

Would you agree with this sentiment?

Definitely to some extent. Not judging whether or not it is a bad thing but religion does bring sedation to some who suffer with the reality of life or the reality of death. It is comfortable to believe God will take care of things the way he has planned so trying to fix certain problems goes unattended because it's God's plan.

And who doesn't want to believe there is a big God always hanging around to help out when needed or to allow his children to go live in some super special utopia after suffering through this life? What about losing loved ones? Especially children. What more comfort could there be if that was just the end? No, comfort is in believing they are still out there somewhere in a lovely place and are taken care of.

I sure understand the position. And a lot of times, wish I could still have that comfort that comes with belief. But no matter how hard I try, just cannot go back. I can't force myself to believe something I don't believe. It is much more difficult than believing.
 

Duke_Leto

Active Member
This is the full quotation, the context of which I think most people miss.

The foundation of irreligious criticism is: Man makes religion, religion does not make man. Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man – state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopaedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d’honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.

Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.

I think to some extent it's true. I don't think that spirituality in general is a means of escaping abjectly miserable existence, but from my limited experience, those likely to deeply believe in a personal god either have survived or are living horrible experiences, or they're close to soulless themselves, never having examined the tenets of their faith, nor probably anything else, for that matter.

It's also a way to avoid thinking profoundly about disturbing problems. There's no need to question, for instance, whether property is just, or whether Dick Cheney should face execution, or why it's considered right that the poor are compelled to sell themselves to the rich, when religion provides a gratefully-received assurance that all will be right with the world and that divine justice will eventually prevail -- and in the meantime, the current state of affairs is unavoidable, and all part of God's plan anyway.
 

syo

Well-Known Member
Marx said this about religion: " Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people"
This is often paraphrased as "Religion is the opium of the people."

This is often taken to mean that religion was (and is) used by the bourgeoise as a blindfold of sorts. "Who cares about this life when you'll go to heaven!" That sort of thing.

Would you agree with this sentiment?
Christianity destroyed religion and Marx saw it. Paganism is cool though.
 
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