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Could a woman President actually be good for America?

Jonathan Bailey

Well-Known Member
Fortunately for both of us, RF is a bit more tolerant of "weirdos" than I might expect from a deer hunting forum.

But then again, deer hunters sing Frankie Valli tunes and play Russian Roulette, so I don't think they have much room to talk in calling people "weird."

I told them I could do without an AR-15 for deer hunting and that a bolt-action rifle would do, they didn't like that. When I announced that I was voting for a Democrat this coming November, they must have not been too crazy about that either.

I've just asked a truck driving forum who they like for Prez 2020.
 
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Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Sadly I liked Kamala Harris much more. Amy is too Minnesotan, I should know. I used to read her fathers editorial column at times.
What does "too Minnesotan" mean? Too much lutefisk and lefse, ice fishing and accordion music?

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Heyo

Veteran Member
When American citizens aren't even NEEDED on American soil to achieve, that makes for a rotten nation. America needs to take foreigners out of the competition for America to succeed. Working hard and long for so little is on par with the evil of slavery. I was born in America. I only want to compete with others born in America. I don't want to compete with the whole globe to live the Middle Class Dream. I want my government to protect my economic interests. America First. The rest of the world can just die and go to hell.

America is the Land of the Free, not the Land of Global Prisoners of Corporate Greed
Wait ... didn't you just say you wanted a Toyota truck?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It takes some serious indoctrination to convince people that clean air, clean water, food free of toxins, etc. is a bad idea. o_O
Even more when you notice in the first place the very infrastructure required for making a living all together has been literally ripped out and destroyed in the fanatical process of bringing about those fine things.

Of course the concept of foresight has been stricken from the record making it an unknown term for the eco Nazis riding their noble white steeds envisioning themselves as the ultimate savior of the whole of mankind as they continue to burn peoples careers and stable means of living to the ground.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Wait ... didn't you just say you wanted a Toyota truck?
It's kinda ironic, but many foreign cars have more USA in the manufacturing than domestics. Virtually none are entirely US made, and some, like the Ford Fiesta, are almost completely imported.
Tom
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
Is Sanders best for the American working class? Is he our best hope to revive a strong middle class? What were the working American income bracket percentages under Obama as compared with Dubya Bush before him?
Obama wasn't much better than Bush and Clinton wasn't much better than Bush sen.
The income of the US worker has stagnated since Reagan. In the same time the income of the super rich has skyrocketed. You are paying for infrastructure (what little there still is), for big oil subsidies and for the wars. The rich are exempt from those costs.
 

Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
That's what the socialist Democrats want. A class of dependents reliant on their social programs. Keeps them in office.

Independent self reliant people don't need socialist Democrats.

The burger-flipping, mopping, sweeping and coffee-pouring jobs are the aftermath of socialist policies designed to chase the good jobs away leaving jobs that force people to seek supplements.

Result?

Socialist Democrats happily entrenched.
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Heyo

Veteran Member
This woman would have to not be pushing for more gun control as that does not sit well with voters in most Red states. The woman should also have to be compassionate toward the poor, the elderly, veterans and people with disabilities. She would have to support a strong middle-class and a strong manufacturing base and much improved infrastructure. Stewardship of the environment is also important. She also needs a tough immigration policy and an objective foreign policy. I want better work-life balance for working-class Americans. This working two or more jobs to make ends meet doesn't cut it with me. I like the middle-class lifestyle that unions would favor.
What would you expect from a woman a man could not deliver (and vice versa)?
Other countries had head-of-states that were women, some very successful - but most of them were just men with boobs.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Women do tend to be better at those things that make for good leaders.
But it's important to recognize that traits women tend to have aren't necessarily the traits that any particular woman has.

Appointing a female president isn't the same as appointing women, in general. Reaching the top of that ladder requires some traits generally considered masculine.
Tom
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It's kinda ironic, but many foreign cars have more USA in the manufacturing than domestics. Virtually none are entirely US made, and some, like the Ford Fiesta, are almost completely imported.
Tom
And there's a danger in buying an Ameristanian brand of truck.
Some are imported from Canuckistan.
Guess where you have to go for warranty work?
That problem has bitten some guys I know.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
American job pay is not equitable with the cost of living! The American Dream doesn't mean being a prisoner to debt. We shouldn't be buried in that new truck when we die of old age. In 1979 again, cash was king.
Alot of that debt is people not living within their means. Christmas junk. And pursuing mirages of material comfort. I avree wages are crap. But the debt problem isnt just having the deck stacked against us.
American job pay is not equitable with the cost of living!
Then blame those who set the wages and violate labor and immigration laws. Coming here for a better life is as American as it gets. It just is not the fault of immigrants.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
It sounds like Donald Trump may have stimulated the growth of a lot of burger-flipping, mopping, sweeping and coffee-pouring jobs but precious few professional careers, government jobs and skilled-trade jobs. Might as well stay on welfare or disability. No true incentive to work.
That's exactly right. Especially when you figure in the cost of healthcare.
 

Jonathan Bailey

Well-Known Member
Alot of that debt is people not living within their means. Christmas junk. And pursuing mirages of material comfort. I avree wages are crap. But the debt problem isnt just having the deck stacked against us.

Then blame those who set the wages and violate labor and immigration laws. Coming here for a better life is as American as it gets. It just is not the fault of immigrants.

Americans by birth don't deserve to have their Dream sold or given away. It is Washington's fault (and Sacramento's fault) for letting those foreigners in. A foreigner's gain shouldn't be my loss. It's not American to deprive Americans by birth.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Socialist Democrats happily entrenched.

We believe in giving people a helping hand to stand on their own too feat unlike the right who wants to give a helping hand to the rich who don't need it and a boat anchor to those "drowning" because of their economic condition.

And unlike some on this forum, I've known unemployed people and those with disabilities who get welfare (not counting the super rich who get welfare of a different kind for being rich). To a person, they've wanted to have good jobs and worked hard to get on their own two feet.

I also volunteer for an organization whose motto is "all of us taking care of all of us" which recognizes that I'm not above and aloof from those on the bottom.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
As to 2020, I've really not made up my mind. I don't want to see money buy the nomination and I want to see someone with some experience in national government.

Right now I've found myself preferring Amy Klobuchar. First, at 74, I know that age does matter to some extent. I don't have the energy etc I did when I was 60. Second, she's a mid-Westerner and that could make her more popular in November. She also seems level-headed and she's not promising what she really knows won't happen (or at least doing so as much as others).
 
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